An Idiots Guide to Super Class Racing
 

Check these morons out:

http://forum.competitionplus.com/sho...?t=2983&page=1

and my response at the bottom of this page:
http://forum.competitionplus.com/sho...?t=2983&page=5

I love idiots... They make life more enjoyable for the rest of us.

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People ARE interesting - that's for sure. I've raced for alot of years. What most of those guys don't get is that some of us...

a) don't want to race in the same class for 20 years - that's why we move into and out of .90 classes
b) don't have a large budget to spend

Actually - I got the impression that most of them don't understand super class racing. It didn't cost me alot of money to switch to it.....And... I haven't yet found a throttle stop that will make my car run dead on the number without me having to provide some sort of input!

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Guess you have to run super classes to enjoy it !!!!!!!!!!! I certainly wouldn't trade it for bracket racing, running dragsters all night. Even tho they go on the trailer the same as door cars...................

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Now that was funny. They have no idea how tough it really is. A litttle easier with crewchief 7.0. Hey don that program almost made my car drive itself.


Jeff d.
37

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Thanks Jeff.

For a car that looks like you can drive it anywhere on the street it sure is one bad hot rod.

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Remember, they are just young kids setting in front of their monitors, in their underwear, in their mom's basement with nothing better to do.

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Are there people that totally understand bracket racing but don't get the .90 classes?
People it the stands that don't like us are the people that want to see heads up racing, well the brackets are no better. How many time have we heard someone say "you lost because you went to fast?" That will happen in .90 or brackets. Bottom line is if you don't have unlimited money, there has to be some kind of handicap racing. I don't think it would make spectators any happier seeing us die on the line or hit the brakes at the end (or both) either way their (most people) not going to understand what's going on unless it is explained a lot better.

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Predicted lap making is the term I like to use. It fits all sportsman classes and all bracket racing. Fixed index or dial your own, it's the same thing. Throttle stop racing is great and so is bracket racing.....I prefer a Pro Tree, but I also prefer racing wide open.....the .90 classes are way overdue for some rules changes or index changes. Speed up the indexes or put a mph limit in place. The proliferation of 1000hp engines is what has made the .90 classes so unattractive to many people. They have to shut down way more than a 700hp engine to run the same index. If you strapped any one of the people that say these derogatory things in a 8.90/175+mph dragster and let them race it.....they'd change their tune......and say wow that was pretty good......when can I run again?....

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Better watch it there Rich...I got death threats for writing about such a thing 8 or 9 years ago, and it's only gotten worse since then.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE competing in S/St and S/G, but the current throttle stop situation is a joke. I'm a relatively recent convert to the starting line stop configuration (about 5 years ago), and I have to say that from a ride standpoint, my car is now boring as hell to drive. It used to leave wheels in the air, sitting you back in the seat. Now, it drives off the starting line like my wife's minivan. Is it more consistent? Sure. Has it made me more competitive? Absolutely. But, the ride is still boring. Good thing I like the competition.

With throttle stops, the cars keep getting faster and faster while running the same index because we all know there's an advantage to being the faster car on the top end. So, what's happened over time is people have gone from building $5,000 600hp motors to spending ungodly amounts of money to build 1000hp+ engines. Now, if you're going to run T/S or T/D too, then I think that makes sense. But, to take one of those motors and put it on a throttle stop it's entire life is just ridiculous. But, with the current state of the classes its a necessity (or if you have a door car, you can throw some ballast in it and go race S/St).

Think about how much money we could save if the electronics (including delay boxes) / throttle stops were gone. Most racers complain that NHRA should be doing things to help us save money, and the easiest one of all in the long run would be to take something OFF of our cars. I don't see it EVER happening, but I would most certainly be in favor of it. It would make these classes EVEN MORE of a driver's race, plus it would make the classes more exciting to watch for the normal everyday spectator.

For those that want to go fast and have the power to do so, I'd say create a 7.90 heads up class. Most S/G cars today would probably fit nicely into such a category or S/C, only needing to slow their cars down a few tenths, which could easily be done with some type of completely mechanical throttle linkage stop (i.e. a bolt under the gas pedal).

Let the flames and death threats begin....

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Jason ,,,, No Flames or Death Threats !!!
If you can't beat them , then join them,,,, Get a Big , Big Block ,,,,, I did :)

Colorful Racer

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That's just my point Eddie. You just spent a bunch of money to go FASTER, but you're not running any QUICKER! You're still running 9.90 ETs, and the ONLY reason why you had to do this was so that you could chase more often. Take away the electronics and throttle stops, and I'm guessing your motivation to speed your car up from a car that could run 8.90's to 7.90's probably goes away (unless you have some T/S racing in your future).

I'm no different. I have another small block in the works that should be able to make my car run about 8.90s. At that point, I MAY run more S/G races, but that's not a given, and I very well may stay in S/St. Is this necessary? No, but I do feel that it will give me a competitive advantage. Again, if there's no such things as throttle stops or electronics in cars (or if a speed limit were put in place), the ONLY reason why I'd be building this new motor would be to move up to S/C. My car in more than fast enough to run S/G now, just not in today's day and age of starting line throttle stops with massive amounts of time in them.

What good is an 800hp+ motor going to do me in S/G if I have no effective way of slowing it down? With a bolt under the gas pedal (or other such mechanical linkage stop) I could certainly slow the car down to run 9.90s, but it would be at much closer to the normal 135 mph required to do so, rather than the 170+ mph cars are running today.

And hopefully nobody is taking my posts the wrong way. I'm not bitching because I can't be competitive with the rules of today. I just think we could all save ourselves a boat load of money by getting rid of the electronics madness that the .90 classes have turned into, and creating a 7.90 heads-up class for those that do want to go faster. It has become a lot easier to go faster these days, but I don't think anybody would be willing to step up and say that its cheap to build a car that can consistently run in the high 7's or low 8's without nitrous. Easier than 20 years ago? Certainly, but still not cheap.

I'd better go back to lurking mode before a lynch mob shows up for me...

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Myself and others I've talked to could live with some kind of MPH break-off. If I heard correctly at Norwalk there was a S/G Vette running 201MPH. Granted he also ran T/S, but 201 for S/G I for one think it's getting out of hand................ Also in S/ST there are several cars at 150+. (Guess I need a BIG block also) My .02 for what it's worth.........

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you've been due for a long post....

We've had some interest in the Sportsman Advisory Council about a class index change.....but also some against it.....I think we need to get all the classes at the nationals first before we shuffle the cards...because it might leave some guys out that can't step up...

I am on the fence on this one....I don't believe our cars will be going any faster.....


CBS

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I won S/G at the SummerNationals in 1988 at Englishtown......my car had a Dedenbaer plate stop and I left the line WOT and went on the stop as soon as I shifted to high gear (manually by rpm) I had no delay box and needed a "speeder-upper" box......the only way I could get a sub .440 RT was to roll in. My car could probably run 9.50's flat out at maybe 140 on a good day. I can't think of a single car of that era that could run much different. We had side by side races with a lot of cars doing pretty good wheelies and the racing was close and fun. My car was a short wheelbase Vega and I could easily make it get plenty high but usually had it locked down.......20 years and add 300-400 hp and a Super Class race today is pretty boring. My dragsters have usually been setup to come off the stop in high gear for 8.90 racing....like lots of cars. It's a rediculous ride compared to a WOT run. I can go 7.90 or better wide open and I have a miniscule by todays standards....509 on gas.

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Honestly Rock, I don't think an index change is the answer. Lowing the indexes in the three .90 categories really won't change much in the long run. In the short term, it absolutely will make the races a little more exciting to watch (and participate in). But for the most part, all that will happen is that many in S/G will drop down to S/St so they can still run 9.90 at 160mph+. Those in S/St will then be forced to either spend more money to go faster to keep up, or continue to bring a knife to a gun fight. At that point, I would expect that you'd see the majority of the S/St cars that run under 130mph leave the class.

In the newly revamped S/G category, people will continue to spend ungodly amounts of money to make their cars go faster and faster, until they're running 8.90 at 186,000 miles/second (that's the approximate speed of light for those of you that may have wondered where I came up with that ridiculous number). Same goes for S/C except at 7.90 seconds.

I have no problem with evolution, and I believe a new 7.90 category is needed (or T/S and T/D eliminators, if people would rather those). The speed issue won't be solved until the tools that allow us to run these crazy speeds are taken away. And if that ever happens, I'll be more than happy to smash my brand new K&R Pro Cube with a sledge hammer (you can hold me to that, and I'll even post the exclusive pictures right here).

I generally don't bring this issue up with other .90 class racers, as it's like talking politics or religion. But, I'd be real interested to see a large poll of all the competitors to see how they really feel about this issue. I'm sure some would want to leave everything as is because they're successful now with the current configuration, while I'm sure others would want to see it left as is because they're generally averse to change. But, I think you'd find more people in support of such a change than you might think, ASSUMING they are presented with educated reasoning, rather than just a simple poll asking, "Should throttle stops be banned?" I know the outcome of a poll phrased as such would be overwhelmingly in favor of leaving everything as is.

For now though, I'm with you. Trying to get this type of change through will be as easy as coming up with a national health care system. So, I'd go for the lower-hanging fruit, which is getting all the classes back at all national events (even though this probably doesn't include S/St).

So, not 1 long post, but 3 long posts. Now I'm sure everyone wants to kill me...

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I love .90 racing. It makes my job easier when I work the div and nat's in Houston, LOL.
I listen to the radio station and a bunch of my friends race .90 classes, so I get to tell them how they did before they reach the time ticket booth.

I personally don't think that I would ever do that, I like to dial my car in on my own. I love bracket racing. Just doesn't pay well without spending $1000 on diesel fuel to get to the big money races.

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go ahead Jason.....put up a poll and word it properly.....lets see what happens....I think I need to see a car number with every vote...no keyboard drivers...


We prepare our cars according to the rules...we would change them if the rules changed.....

CBS

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S/C 8.00 most dragsters can run 7.80's /90's
S/G 9.00 most chassis door cars can run in the 8's
S/ST 10.00 back half cars only!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm with you on that one Bryan, how are ya bud?......Long overdue to speed things up. I just read N/D a week or two ago... Ron Erks has a 665 cube engine...to go 8.90? C'mon......yea, I know it's all about coming from behind and taking control of the race but that is rediculous to me. I also don't blame any racer for doing this as there are no rules preventing it....AND the racer has to deal with all the issues that goes with the higher HP and learning to judge the higher closing speeds. I am bracket racing locally......competition is tough, track conditions are not always great and I can run wide open and that is fine for me......I still love .90 racing and would be doing it if costs weren't so out of control right now......I don't care what the rules are or what the index is......I just like trying to turn a win lite on and when I do, it's a whole lot of fun.....and everyone loves it the same as me......I am sorry I am not heading up to LebanonValley this weekend for the Lucas race but the costs are just to high....

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S/st 10.00 back half cars only? Why back half cars only. Maybe we should change and run to a 1000ft that would change everything. If you want to run wide open there is two other classes that offer that. Stock and super stock.

Jeff d.
37

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S/C-------------185 MPH
S/G-------------160 MPH
S/ST-----------135 MPH
The bulk of cars fall in this speed range.............Run faster you break out ?

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Leave things alone... This post was about the people in the stands and the key board racers. Know matter what you do they still won't be in the stands. Most use that time to pee after all the beer and trying to get Ashley Forces attention while she's doing a burnout ,they need a break.
They don't watch or understand prostock , let alone all the sportsman classes.The alcohol cars are loud and they don't watch them, even at div. races.Change will never fill the stands. I don't personally look in the stands when I'm running and really who cares. Allthough it would be a good excuse for a bad light.

It's not broken so don't fix it., especially for the fans in the stands.
There's alot of other things to fix for the sportsmans racers, cause we support ourselves..

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170 SC
160 SG
130 SST (500 cubic in limit, lol)

Go back to old throttle stop running from shifter where you going full throttle till high gear and take timers away, will not have a mph PROBLEM AT ALL!

If anybody was around when Pro Gas/Super Gas first came out fans loved it, side by side racing all the way down the track and nobody could tell when the throttle stops came on.

Here's who it hurt companys selling timers (yawnnnnn) all these companys selling big motors to go big speeds (you want to go big speed, run Top)

Who this would help........anybody watching, Super classes are hard to tell spector joe watching why they come almost to a stop before going again past the tree.
Ok, thats my 2 cents, but it will never happen, like everything else, poltics rules.

TAKE TIMERS AWAY!!!!!!!!!
Do away with RT's during eliminations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Imagine that........................and yet some people will hit a little white ball, then spend the rest of the day chasing it & trying to find it..........i think i'll stick to .90.................at least 99% of the time you drive down the track.............. & drive back....!...............i can drive my golf cart anywhere, not just on a designated coarse........thats irl or something .....? I think.........? But then again what do i know.....i thought norwalk was a suburb of cleveland........!

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Nitro Joe, there still will not be any spectators. It's not what they spend their money to see.
Would you pay 50 bucks to see Rock Haas or Ashley Force?
Sorry Rock...

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Dead on with an O Joe........I was there and you are right. Timers are the what started it and Troy Coughlins win at Indy was another thing that got it going in the wrong direction....and Carl...spectators come to see NITRO cars and maybe Ashley and some of the other woman who are doing well.....no matter what sportsman racers are doing, they are not there to see us......

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[QUOTE=Bryan Gillespie;74260]S/C 8.00 most dragsters can run 7.80's /90's
S/G 9.00 most chassis door cars can run in the 8's
S/ST 10.00 back half cars only!!!!!

Guess I would be out, I have a chassis car that runs 9:30 flat out. Hope N.H.R.A. does NOT agree with you.
I would be in favor of speed limits, but I think that would go bad the other way in that people would be running fast as hell to 8-900 ft. then it would look like someone pulled the shoot to stay under the speed limit. I agree with the above......leave well enough alone, no matter what they do, people will always need time to piss, that's where we come in!

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[QUOTE=H.A.A.C. Racing;74286]Pete they also said UGLY VEGA WAGONS are also out which means your out & I'm in !!! PS I did this so you can get in your 100 th post in !! Take your best shot !! But be nice I know the moderator!!

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I agree with Chebby2, and Jason. I don't really think changing the index is a great idea. There are so many old super gas and super street cars that can't handle bigger engines to go another second quicker, the guys that build these big engines most likley can afford a RJ, Bickle etc. cars. Plus you will be pushing the cars harder so there is a chance of more engine failures. Why a speed limit? There is a chance a high horsepower car will spin the tires on these marginal tracks. So there is more of a chance for me to win. There is 2 parts of the track you have to race, the starting line and the finish. So you can be chased or you can chase. look at Scotty Rienschield 8.90 At 140 and he is a killer racer. Why take away t-stops? It is 2008 not the 80's. I loved the stutter box's back then but times change. We have 3 classes with great car counts I vote leave it alone.
Just my 02 cents
Chuck
31 s/g
38 s/c

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Speed limits are for highways. Enough said about this subject.

I knew Boo Boo and Carl would have the correct answer.

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i am very new to the .90 racing,but i am addictef...my dragster is a small block flat out runs 8.55 ish........how about a cubic inch limit,i see every one wants some change,but me personally,i cant afford the high dollar big cubic inch engines...i just flat out love racing,and am really enjoying the .90 racing.......please dont take any offense from this,but you guys did ask for opinions...

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I just finished all 11 pages of the other thread and my head hurts!!!!!
I wonder how many of those guys have ever been in a car. I would like to know who the guy was that started the nitro injected car at 3:30am was.

It always make me laugh when someone that does not run a .90 car has all the answers!!!!!

Boo Boo and Chebby i agree leave it alone. and lets race.
My car only goes 128 and i have won a couple of rounds!!!!!
Weather you chase or get chased you learn what needs to be done.
I love having a guy come up on me that is 30 or 40 miles faster than me.
I know i will be right on my number so come and get some.:D

Now i have to get back to the free ice cream thread!!!!!:p

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I don't think I'm going there Rock. Like I said before, this topic is like talking politics or religion, and I don't think I want to be the one everyone associates this topic with. I've stated my opinion, and I'm sure everyone already hates me for doing so (even though they're all dumb for not agreeing with me). But, I'm not ready to be the martyr for this cause.

That said, I'll proof read the text that somebody else writes before it gets posted. I just don't think I'm ready to be John Hancock...

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We had the opportunity to go faster and we did....as you guys can see...its just as easy to lose going fast...why change the rules....the fan thing won't be an issue...unless we start blowing up on fire....if you enjoy this type of racing...which we do....you certainly feel like stepping up your car a little at a time...to make it more fun to drive...if nobody showed up...then maybe a rule change would be in order.....

The 2 guys in Div 3 that fought for the All Stars berth....both have slower cars(sorry guys).....and have run that way for years....and have no intention of going faster.....(the mopar one is probably not capable lol).....

so I don't think the speed is an issue......until we bring up the Mike Manners thing that occurred at Norwalk....the track was good so he didn't have a problem...but to run as hard as he was seemed dangerous.....it was... entertaining.....and he was surpisingly close for running 201 in super gas with a promod and 217 in s/c with an TAD...but...wow....

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I have also run a SG car for a lot of years (20 + years) and seen the evolution of .90 racing. The issue of speed is compounded by the finish line braking of some when there is a big difference in the two cars speed. That braking is the biggest issue for me.
NHRA and IHRA have both been non existant in enforcing the rules on braking at the finish line. I believe it is a disqualification offense by the rule book which I have yet to know of ever being enforced. I know first hand how dangerous it is by being taken out by the practice.
For me the speed is not the issue it is the braking at 1300 ft.
Just My 2 Cents

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CBS,

I know this is off topic, but how do I make a request to the sportsman advisory? I live in the middle of
NHRA Div 1 and only race IHRA because I cannot run SST & SC together. Is there anything to be considered? I understand the rule and why, but I think you should not have to protect racers from better racers.

Thanks,

Richard

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How in the world would getting rid of the timer change the racing...the fast cars are still fast....

no matter what was changed it would affect somebody in a way they won't like....


this is a wintertime discussion anyway.....

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Only a couple of people said it but you'd never be able to enforce the CID limit. Seriously do we all want to pull a head every race?

Kelli
1236 S/ST

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Agreed. But, I'm also not naive enough to think that you (or anyone else) built their car to go faster simply for the sheer thrill of going faster at the finish line. I may be ignorant, but I'm not that ignorant.

Cost is the big issue with me. Why am I building a car to go faster and faster even though it doesn't run a quicker ET? Going faster doesn't make the ride any more fun. Leaving the starting line under wide open throttle? Now that's fun.

Does it make me more competitive? Yes, and does that make racing more fun? Yes. But there's no real sense of speed as you approach the finish line as you're not looking at your surroundings, you're looking at the car in the lane next to you! I haven't had a sense of speed in my car since 1988, when I first drove it. Once you get some seat time, you QUICKLY become used to the speed aspect of it.

And I know that's true for you too, because you wouldn't be as good as you are if this wasn't true.

At national events, I generally agree. I can't believe I watch people leave the stands when Pro Stock comes up, but many do. But, that said, we have the opportunity to put on a show that's much closer to Pro Stock than we do now, especially most cars in S/G. For God's sake, most of you guys can run only about a second slower than Pro Stock cars. But, you'd never know it watching the cars leave the starting line, or even in the first couple hundred feet. And by then, everyone's in second gear, and watching the car go down the track is about as interesting as watching a street car.

We could definitely generate more fan interest in our classes than we do now though by removing electronically controlled throttle stops. But, we'd never pack the stands like the fuel cars do. That said, I realize that none of us are doing this because of fan interest. But, if we ever want our payout to increase significantly (even at our local tracks), we have to face the fact that this is entertainment, and if we're not entertaining (which we're currently not), then nobody is going to pay to watch, and none of that money is ever going to funnel down to us. In other words, if we don't make our classes more entertaining to watch, we're ALWAYS going to need to be a self-funded operation.

This is my point exactly. My car is getting faster, but this is not translating to more fun in the car. I'm just spending more money. I had more fun driving my car when I was racing at WOT the entire length of the track. I just wasn't having fun with the competition aspect of it because it was darn near impossible to win a race that way. So, I've sacrificed the ride to be competitive, and made my car boring to watch at the same time.

How slow is "slower"? I'm guessing these aren't 9.90 @ 135 mph cars. I'm guessing they're 9.90 @ 150 mph cars, which would be considered "slower" in this day and age. But, if their cars can run over 150 mph, then they are more than capable of running S/C.

Why? Why should he be discriminated against because he can run 200+ mph? Seriously, where do you draw the line between what's acceptable for a speed in these classes and what's not? Why is 9.90 @ 170 mph acceptable when that person can be closing in on somebody running 9.90 @ 135 mph? Is it just because the majority of S/G cars now run 9.90 @ 160 mph, and that 40 mph difference would be construed as dangerous? Why hasn't the people running 170 mph been construed as dangerous to those running 140 mph?

Mark my words...unless something is done, the speeds will continue to climb, and in 10 years time the average S/G car will be running 9.90 @ 170 mph (with a smattering of guys in the 180 - 190 mph range). Silly....but hey, I know all the motor builders love us...

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My Turn !!

As most of you know I'm a samll block lover and ran one for a lot of years up untill this year ,, and yes Jason it was a bad A_ _ Small Block ,,, It would run 8.70 in the quarter and 9.90 at 148 to 151 depending on weather !!

I love this sport and scarfice a lot to compete like most racers ,,,, But was I competitive ? Last year I lost 5 races by a TOTAL of .007 ,, the only way I could win was by taking the tree with me every pass or running dead on every pass , and we all know that is not likely to happen , most of you guys and gals would just ride along the side of me and put a bumper on the Red Olds , if I wasn't dead on you would win , if I set up fast and I tried that a couple of times , you would let me go ,,,,,

Because I like winning and being competitive I made the switch ,,, yes I spent a lot of $$ , but I din't get anything that I didn't need , I was tired of fighting with one hand behind my back and getting beat up , I got beat up so much that I'm really a white guy that is Black and Blue all over from the whippings :)

Now , because I took a lot of pride in owning and running a Bad A_ _ small block ,, why wouldn't I get a Bad A_ _ big block ,,, after all I'm tha same person that still want to win and take pride in my equiptment and it is Racing , and we may not admit it but we all like to go fast and are probally are addicted to SPEED ,,,, but remeber I still have to cut a good light , I still have to stay on top of the track conditions read the weather , keep my equiptment in good condition , practice and get seat time ,,,,

The biggest difference that I've seen in the small amount of times I ran the Big Block is I usally don't catch the person in the other lane untill just before the finish line and I have less time to think about whether I should take the stripe or not . ( By the way I have yet to hit the brakes and don't plan on it ! ) ,,,, is there an advantage to chasing , of course there is but there is also an advantage to running 135 MPH if you can run close to the number and cut a light,,,,,,, SOOOOO seeing that I've done both and trust me I have another Small Block that is badder than the one I ran in Super Gas ,, what is my opinion ( Remember opinions are like A_ _ Ho_ _ _ ,, eyeybody has one ) LEAVE SUPER CLASS RACING ALONE ! Spectators will never watch us and we are never going to fill the stands unless we crash and burn !

By the way the guy at Norwalk that ran 9.90 at 201MPH got beat by a very good Super Class racer that runs in the 155/160 MPH , and I think the clas has set its own MPH limt by running the cars where they are repeatable and stable !

Colorful Racer ( Yea CBS this is winter time conversation ,,, I need to get back to work ,,, and quit doing these Jason's Post :)