GT/AA Class War At Indy
A Battle at Indy in GT/AA is going to be interesting:-------- I will update list as Racers enter Indy
NHRA- HP ------------------------------------------- Weight Gary Stinett 454 Chevy> 92 Camaro---430hp----------3610 lbs Gary Richard 400 Chevy> 07 Cobalt---320hp------------2730 lbs Robert Burgin 350 Chevy > 07 Cobalt---327hp----------2785 lbs Stacy McCarty 428 Pontiac> 05 Grand Am--320--------2730 lbs (McCarty Engine) MPR Race cars Joey Wilkes 426 ?? > 09 Challenger---???????????????????????????? Terry Pearson 350 Chevy> 05 Cavalier---327hp------2785 lbs Sean Cour 350 Chevy> 08 Cobalt----327hp----------2785 lbs ( gulius engine) Frank Grossi 454 Chevy> 05 Sunfire---320hp---------2730 lbs Phil Mandella Built car (Hetler Engine) Tibor Kadar 400 Chevy> 08 Pontiac---320hp----------2730 lbs( Cameron Kallas New Car) Tibor "ICE" Kadar is the driver for Cameron (Hetler Engine) Bo Kenney 346 LS1 Corp> 08 Colbalt---320hp----------2730 lbs (B & B Built car) (patterson engine) or the other combo is rated 305hp at a weight of 2670 Colin Wigle 429 Ford> 05 Mustang-------371hp---------3135 lbs Michael Beachy 400 Chevy 05 Cavalier---------320hp--------2730 lbs beachy Engine Andy Fogle 350 Chevy 05 Cavalier---------327hp--------2785Lbs Terry Pearson 350 Chevy 05 Cavalier----------327hp-------2785 Lbs Tilburg Engine Who will be the quickest is a good question??? :) :D :cool: |
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The LS1 of Bo Kenny is rated @ 305 hp. Min wt 2670lbs.
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By The way what is the difference between the two combinations of a LS1 Engine?? One rated at 320hp and the other rated at 305hp?
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I'm just a casual fan of the GT/AA wars, but my pick:
Mike Beachy 400 Chevy> 05 Cavalier---318hp?----------??? lbs (2002 US Nationals champ) I'll be rooting for Mike and any Mopar! |
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...also Glen Stahle, very fast at Indy D3 points meet in GT/AA.
Mike Beachy; he's a past champ, knows what it takes to win at Indy, and is getting that new Cavalier straightened out... |
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Beachy is fast. Andy Fogle is fast. Glen is fast That will be 12 cars! Is that Ford coming? That would be 13. Way cool, this is what SS is all about!
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Roger Keeling in GT/AA 400 Chevy
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Think anybody is gonna turn it loose? Or will it be like the 396 stock guys and all hold back? Should be interesting. All the guys there can run. Stinnett always holding a little, Bo was No. 1 in Norwalk, hell they all fast. Another shoot out shaping up.
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Bo Kenny is on the list and Colin Wigle the fast Ford is there! Way cool Combo!
Event Entry List 54th Annual Mac Tools U.S. Nationals Super Stock # Cls Driver Hometown Make Eng Entry 3 SS/BS Jimmy DeFrank Thousand Oaks CA '08 Cobalt GM 317 6 SS/CS Michael Mans Rogers MN '00 Firebird Chev 304 21 SS/JA Jerry Holman Hendersonville TN '86 Firebird GM 305 31 GT/LA Nicholas Morris Bardstown KY '98 Mustang Ford 302 39 GT/EA Dave Layer Dayton OH '08 Cobalt Chev 305 51 GT/AA Gary Stinnett Emporia KS '92 Camaro Chev 454 55 GT/E Jim Voth Buhler KS '86 Monte Carlo Chev 327 107 SS/AS Wes Leopold Jr Bridgeville PA '93 Daytona Dodg 394 138 SS/AH Wendell Howes Rathesay NB '68 Barracuda Dodg 426 169 SS/B Paul Adams Barboursville WV '64 Ford Ford 427 176 GT/HA Joseph Franco III North Babylon NY '85 Chevy Chev 305 205 SS/AH John Gifford Naples FL '68 Barracuda Chry 426 286 SS/EM Jeff Adkinson Damascus GA '95 Oldsmobile Chev 304 304 SS/AH James Keyes Durand MI '68 Barracuda Plym 426 306 GT/CA David Tincher Elizabethtown IN '94 Cavalier Chev 327 315 SS/B Ray Paquet Holt MI '64 Fairlane Ford 427 324 SS/AA Brandon Wilkinson Bowling Green KY '69 Corvette Chev 427 339 SS/TA Pat Storey Bradford ON '03 Dakota Mopr 392 340 GT/DA Rich South Pickerington OH '05 Sunfire Chev 305 347 SS/JA Angelo De Carlo Schaumburg IL '63 Cheverolet Chev 327 350 SS/AH Jim Pancake Delaware OH '68 Dart Dodg 426 351 GT/GA Wayne Hansen Wabash IN '94 Camaro Chev 327 364 SS/AH Tony De Pillo Dayton OH '68 Plymouth HEMI 426 391 GT/BA Irvin Johns Charlestown IN '08 Cobalt Chev 350 428 SS/BM Kevin Helms Belle Rose LA '96 Achieva Olds 358 452 SS/AH Steven Kent Lottie LA '69 Barracuda Chry 426 574 SS/CS David Bogner Kearney NE '92 Daytona Dodg 321 720 SS/AH Dave Raybourn Modesto CA '68 Barracuda Plym 426 721 SS/AH Rick Houser Pasadena CA '68 Barracuda Chry 426 785 GT/CA Tony Mandella Upland CA '87 Camaro Chev 400 1046 GT/IA Tom Sheehan Belle Vernon PA '00 Sebring Chry 318 1103 SS/FM Edward Matsko Mount Pleasant PA '69 Camaro Chev 277 1108 GT/AA Gary Richard Bay Shore NY '07 Colbalt Chev 400 1129 SS/B Ralph Porpora Poughkeepsie NY '66 Corvette Chev 427 1140 GT/BA Tom Boucher Byfield MA '97 Pontiac Chev 454 1145 SS/AH Steve Welker Tower City PA '68 Barracuda Plym 426 1223 SS/GA Sean Gaffney Clarence Creek ON '66 Chev II Chev 327 1273 GT/AA Bo Kenney Manassas VA '08 Cobalt Pont 346 1517 SS/AH Melvin Daniels Yardley PA '68 Dart MOPR 426 1574 GT/BA Frank Maiolo White Plains NY '04 2000 Chev 350 1638 GT/EA Ron Morehead Newburgh NY '82 Camaro Chev 350 1798 SS/AH Bucky Hess II Bunker Hill WV '68 Barracuda Plym 426 1930 SS/BS Frank Aragona Jr Freehold NJ '05 Pontiac Chev 316 1945 SS/AH Gary Wolkwitz Annandale NJ '68 Dodge Dodg 426 1968 SS/AH Chuck Comella Sanibel FL '68 Dart Dodg 426 1990 SS/AH David Barton Robesonia PA '68 Barracuda Plym 426 2018 SS/B Jimmy Bridges Nashville TN '66 Corvette Chev 427 2040 SS/D Kenneth Vaughn Columbia TN '68 Camaro Chev 396 2074 SS/CA Brian Oakes Williamstown NJ '69 Camaro Chev 427 213A SS/BS Anthony Bertozzi Ashland VA '98 Grand Am Chev 332 2282 GT/AA Robert Burgin Cuthbert GA '07 Cobalt Chev 350 2302 SS/BA Ken Schindler Hendersonville TN '71 Corvette Chev 454 2471 GT/MA Ronnie Dutton Southside AL '80 Monza GM 265 2900 SS/BM Mike Tueffel Browns Summit NC '98 Grand Am Chev 357 2963 SS/JA Don Barber Hohenwald TN '73 Camaro Chev 350 3000 SS/BM Chuck Gallagher Jr Defiance OH '90 Camaro Chev 358 3010 SS/J Robin Brown Madisonville KY '66 Chevy II Chev 283 3012 SS/IA Jeremy Duncan Charlestown IN '98 Firebird Pont 350 3018 GT/MA Ken Sharp Middletown OH '90 Eldorado Cad 425 3019 SS/DA David Turner Fresno OH '70 Challenger Dodg 426 3028 GT/BA Jerry Silveus Van Buren OH '05 Cavalier Chev 350 3030 SS/L Mark Longo Steubenville OH '66 Nova Wagon Chev 283 3036 SS/AH Charlie Westcott Parma MI '68 Austin Healy HD 426 3043 SS/DA Wayne Allen Wade Rochester IN '69 Camaro Chev 427 3054 SS/EA Rusty Perkins Bowling Green KY '70 Corvette Chev 454 3061 GT/AA Colin Wigle Amherstburg ON '05 Mustang Ford 429 3069 SS/MA James Meredith Louisville KY '65 Chevelle Chev 283 3072 GT/JA Mike Walter Paris OH '92 Firebird Chev 327 3073 SS/O Richard Feldman East Liverpool OH '66 Impala Chev 283 3099 GT/AA Stacy Mc Carty Carmel IN '05 Grand AM Pont 428 3121 GT/DA Matt Antrobius Bellbrook OH '87 Z28 Chev 402 3122 GT/AA Joey Wilkes Zanesville OH '09 Challenger Chry 426 3125 SS/JA John Auer Scott City MO '69 Camaro Chev 350 3131 GT/CA Ricky Decker Charlestown IN '94 Camaro Chev 350 3154 GT/F Gary Russell East Sparta OH '98 Camaro Chev 350 3157 SS/BA John Nemeth Hamilton IN '71 Corvette Chev 454 3161 GT/EA Dan Kyle Lawrenceburg IN '87 2004 Chev 350 3215 SS/JA Ronnie Terrell Hebron KY '85 Camaro Chev 305 3250 GT/BA Paul Hellenberg Dry Ridge KY '04 Cavalier Chev 350 3252 GT/BA Bill Foder Canton MI '95 Barretta Pont 400 3269 SS/HA Jeff Dona Gordonville MO '69 Camaro Chev 350 3271 GT/D Kyle Jeltema Jenison MI '88 Ford Ford 351 3306 SS/KA Larry Hodge La Place IL '86 Monte Carlo Chev 305 3308 SS/BM John Higgins Fayetteville NC '08 Colbalt Chev 353 3330 GT/MA Kevin Murphy Mt Carmel IL '88 Cutlass Olds 350 3344 SS/FM Ernest Price Navarre OH '69 Camaro Buic 270 3378 SS/HA Charlie Bohannon Valley Station KY '67 Corvette Chev 327 3388 GT/GA Mark Nowicki Gaylord MI '98 Avenger Dodg 318 3392 SS/AH William Bales Cnnrsvll IN '68 Bar Chry 426 SS/AH 3400 GT/B Ernie Neal Columbus IN '05 Cavalier Chev 350 3410 SS/AH Randall Warford Nashville IN '68 Barracuda Plym 426 3426 SS/AH Darrell Marvel Big Rapids MI '68 Barracuda Plym 426 3508 SS/DA James Vester Carlisle IN '69 Camaro Chev 427 3572 GT/KA Kenny Morris Jeffersonville IN '82 Trans Am Chev 283 3575 SS/KA Don O' Malley Decatur IL '64 Corvette Chev 327 3617 GT/B Larry Eagle Bethesda OH '91 Skylark Chev 350 3651 SS/AH Charlie Westcott Jr Parma MI '68 Barracuda Cad 426 3697 GT/G Brad Zaskowski Belmont MI '87 Camaro Chev 327 3740 GT/FA Jeff Niceswanger Zanesville OH '86 Camaro Chev 350 3750 SS/EA Ryan Haag Memphis IN '67 Camaro Chev 396 3855 SS/NA Charles Forbes Horse Cave KY '66 Cheverolet Chev 283 3989 SS/HA Bret Voges Findlay OH '67 Nova Chev 327 4018 SS/JA J B Clegg Victoria TX '74 Firebird Pont 455 4208 SS/BM James Caro Houma LA '05 Dodge Dodg 358 4346 SS/M Dick Lux San Antonio TX '64 Comet Ford 289 4426 SS/AH Joe Teuton III Schriever LA '68 Plymouth Plym 426 4446 SS/AH J Allen Sherman Donaldsonville LA '68 Barracuda Chry 426 4483 SS/AM John Clegg III Victoria TX '88 Firebird GM 469 488 GT/AA Terry Pearson Spanish Fort AL '05 Cavalier Chev 350 4700 GT/D Ken Howell Baytown TX '08 Cobalt Chev 327 5206 SS/MA Carroll Warling Brighton CO '74 Grand Am Pont 400 5333 SS/AH Randy Hopkins Scandia MN '68 Barracuda Plym 426 5440 GT/I Gene Bichlmeier Norfolk NE '66 Chevy II Chev 283 5517 GT/CA Justin Jenkins Beatrice NE '08 Cobalt Chev 327 5530 SS/E Marcus Allen Colorado Spgs CO '69 Chevrolet Chev 396 6396 GT/AA Sean Cour Brush Prairie WA '08 Colbalt Chev 350 7056 GT/AA Frank Grossi Upland CA '05 Sunfire GM 454 7670 GT/AA Tibor Kadar Peoria AZ '08 Pontiac Chev 400 7702 GT/FA Mike Graham Tempe AZ '00 Cobra Ford 460 7980 SS/IA Steve Wann Modesto CA '69 Plymouth Plym 440 799J SS/AH John Rains Santa Paula CA '68 Dart Dodg 426 |
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Don , as far as I know , the 325/324 rated LS1 is for the Super Stock application in the Firebird Formula with the WS6 Ram Air hood . My car with a "flat hood" is rated at 305 . My money is on the Bo Kenney car being the quickest ...any takers ?
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It is usually 2500 feet corrected or worse except that year Katrina effects were up here. So they can stay on the pedal for a bit! ;)! Cameron's car is one beautiful car! Cant wait to see that car run. (Tibor driving) |
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Casper:
Someone said that there is a difference on each combo with the air inlet throttle size ? Is this true and what are the sizes if it is?? |
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Are you refering to the air inlet on the hood ? if so , then yes , the WS6 hood has the "nostrils" , so-to-speak , that would allow more air in , but not sure how much hp is there .... The current stock hp ratings are now that the "flat" hood combination is rated at 369 hp vs. the WS6 hood at 364 hp .. go figure.
I'm still fairly new to this 4th gen stuff , but trying to learn as much as possible . You buy those Michelins yet ? Mike |
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Lynn, please tell me where you get your entry lists. I went to the NHRA website at 3:23 P.M. Eastern Time and printed the Indy S/S entry list and there are only 21 cars on it; beginning with #21 SS/JA Jerry Holman, and ending with #799J SS/AH John Rains. I would love to have the updated info that you have; I will really appreciate it if you could tell me where you obtain it.
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Looks like Frank Grossi has the combo to beat. 100 cu in more than the 350's and less weight. That will be hard to overcome. The 400 chevies also look good. I have been told the make equal HP on the dyno as the 350 and have more torque plus less weight. The 350/295/327 seems to have been factored out of the top spot due to the HP hits it has taken over the past two years. Those guys have been flogging that combo very heavy. We will soon see what they have left. Good luck guys.
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Anybody know what combo Grossi is using? I haven't found it in the guide yet.
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But the question is, will a front wheel car with a big block get down the track??
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Isnt there a big difference on the throttle bodies of the LS-1's? I know I put a RA hood on my wife's 99 TA and did nothing else, and the performance difference was like night and day. I changed nothing else. |
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Remember people can change classes from the entry list, so it isnt cast in stone. |
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The 325 and 310 rated LS1 for the Pontiac Firebird are the same engine , just rated differently for the hood application .The LS1 Camaro is rated at 310 for the same year. Same throttle body , same everything ... it's all there in the NHRA blue print specs .
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Not true. You can go to to www.nhraeventreg.com for up-to-the-minute event statistics. Click Event Entry Statictics, pick your event and hit submit. It's that simple.
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My bet on who will be the fastest is that Red Cavalier out of Norway, SC- Andy and Johnny Fogle. Don't know if they will win but I don't think there will be any faster than their Guilius Bullett!
I think I have heard that Grossi is stuffing a 454 combo into that Sunfire. Smitty |
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Don the 400 ci Chevy is 320 hp not 318
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Mike, I'll take some of that action... What's the bet??? Irvin Johns |
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Are you bringing that black Cobalt to run in SS/BM? That car was runner up last year if I am not mistaken. Smitty |
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Smitty-
Michael Mans was R/U, Brandon Wilkinson won. |
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The 454 combo is a 1975 engine . It's factored to 325 in GT. Looks like the small port head is 45 hp less .
Sounds like the truck motor in a passenger car. I wonder how they designated the difference back then, or did they? Maybe it is a superceded truck head. Where's Dwight when we need him? |
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ok it has been almost a year but who won class in GT/AA last year anyway? it is heck getting older LOL at me>
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Higgins and Caro were in the final of SS/BM and Brandon won the whole race last year I believe. Also I thought that you could not put a big block into a FWD conversion GT car? Did they change this rule or was there never one.
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If Jeff gets in that car at Indy I'm calling Vegas to place my bet on him. Irv your car runs in GT/AA also doesn't it? |
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Great to see a class regain popularity with a high car count again. Only draw back is the fact so many motors make it unlikely factoring will be easy the first few years they all run. Probably will result in a shift away from the 350 if the FI or 454 are anything special. Nose wt of 454 will probably be the achilles heal if it is factual combination. Class should be fun unless the factoring turns out to be WAY OFF. Good Luck
The class was tremendous when only 454 oval and 454 Rectangular port ran. They were VERY closely factored to even. 7 or 8 great cars and great drivers made it fun..to run in that class. |
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Does this mean you are switching classes ;)? |
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Okay Lynn, Reread the post, HA HA. No I didnt limit the combos I described the situation at the time. I love a variation even better if it were in Brand names. Tom Decamp had a great GT/AA at one time but I think it would not hold up.
You tell me how long YOU think it will take to level the combos based on AHFS speed. The 350 may be close to even with the 454 Rectangular now. We'll see how it works... Should be a great class. |
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isnt lynn mccarty running the 428 that had 70 (oops make that 40) hp reduced off a few years back... same combo fulper was lambasted about ???
i assume the 455 wasnt the ticket in SS/GT jack mccarthy p.s. if irvin is betting im betting with him :) |
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