IHRA FWD Weight Breaks Investigation
 

Could someone post them?
I'm researching this ".9 under street car."
Thanks

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from my 2008 IHRA CD

AF - 13.00-15.99
BF - 16.00-16.99
CF - 17.00-17.99
DF - 18.00-18.99
EF - 19.00-19.99
FF - 20.00-23.49
GF - 23.50-27.49
HF - 27.50 and up

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What do ya know! It's an "F" car not an "H" ! Should have run on a 16.30 index. It was really 1.40 OVER not .90 under. Oooops! Jim

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Thanks, guys

Okay,let's see. If it's a natural 20# car,that's 155 (hp) x 20= 3100 + 170= 3270#

To run H, which it can't (I assume you can drop only one class in IHRA) it would be:
155 x 27.5 = 4266 + 170= 4436

Assuming as a street would be considerably over the shipping weight,he still would have to add 6 to 8 hundred lbs. to get to the legal H weight which he can't run anyway.

Don't they weigh cars at an IHRA points meet ? Or did he make up a weight figure, as well as a class?

This guy was qualified under the index ,meaning he could have taken someone out that was in the World points chase. Not funny at all.

Anyway ,my point is that you can't take a FWD car off the street and run .5 under to win class at Indy.
You guys who don't want to apologize here, you can PM me .

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I wasn't there and haven't seen any photo,s , but Bill I thoght was a Mopar guy. Could it have been a Lebaron and not a Lesabre ?

10 1145 HF/SA Wild Bill Collett, Grafton WV, '88 LeSabre 17.700 18.60 -0.900

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I was there and it was a Buick. I remember because I made the comment to a friend that there is no way that he will be able to run the index in the extremely poor weather conditions that we had at pittsburgh over the weekend.

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88 Chrysler LeBaron GTS (2.5 non-turbo) would be a natural GF - could run HF. (115HP -> 3332lb in HF/SA). Might be possible to run 17.70 (TCI calculator estimates 17.76 based on HP and weight) but not just pulling it off the lot - it would need some work.

EDIT - since Aaron confirmed it was a Buick while I was typing the above analogy is out the window.

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Must have been the Carrol Shelby approved, Buddy Ingersol built twin turbo V6.

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First let me say I have never heard of this guy in my life. I got info that this "Wild Bill" guy (who I understand is a Hemi racer) intentionally classified this car to the wrong class to stick his finger in the eye of FWD racers and Stock eliminator in general. He had to know he would be caught. What did he think this would accomplish? Thanks to Yak for bringing this to our attention. This thing has taken on a life of it's own with the more we find out the more it should piss off ALL racer, not just FWD guys. This guy has possibly taken points and money away from REAL racers by fraud. He needs to come on here and explain himself. I hope IHRA will investigate this and take appropriate action. Jim

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There's an easy fix - Nobody in a FWD would like it though :) Just kidding they don't bother me have as much as the bogus turbo cars! OOps sorry again Jim :) Maybe I need to do a Toronado with a 455

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Correction 403 has to be a 1978 or newer. I'll have to see if I can locate one for under $500 so I can run like -2.00 under and drive it in through the mufflers in AF/S. :)

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Go for it Daran! Jim

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Hahahahahahaha! Daran you have been "owned" as the younger generation would say. Jim

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I never claimed to be a genius but K/SA is 13 lbs. at 12.95 index. AF/S is 13 lbs. at 14.15 index. Is that front transaxle going to slow it down 1.20???? Doubt it. But then who wants one? :)

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Ha! It ain't that easy big guy. Trust me on this one.
Jim

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Hi Mark, incase you've forgotten, 1985 Pontiac Sunbird Turbo. Original engine, trans, converter AND final drive ratio went 14.03 on 14.95 B/FS index in 1985. I haven't raced the car since. The only things that I changed were a fresh head gasket, a fresh turbo (the right one) and 20 X 8 M/Ts. In fact, it DID win class at Indy on a solo run.

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Billy, are you sure you are talking about that happening in 1985? Jim

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Daran, I had an '81 diesel Toro converted to a gas 350 and if I remember correctly, there's so little room to the rear of the engine bay, the headers would have to look like some old 'Can-Am' stuff. I suppose you could do fenderwell type, or maybe through the hood like a 'puller'. Smiley face here.

Billy, the new car prep guy at the dealership I worked at in the early '80's came back from checking out one of those Sunbirds and said to me "man, you gotta take this thing for a drive, it's FAST!'. I said, "yeah, right." "I'm serious man, it'll impress ya". I grabbed the keys and tossed the dealer plate up on the dash. (this was a stick car) Got it rolling, shifted into second gear and 'up on the turbo' and nailed it. I hope nobody was watching as I ducked that license plate as it went whistling by! Thing almost took my head off on it's way to the rear package tray! Oh yeah, I WAS impressed that a 1.8L could pull that hard. Fun stuff.

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Oops, that would have been 2005!

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OK, That's better. I remember when that happened and I know I can't remember all the way back to 1985! Jim

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You're losing it old man.See ya at the Toyo's.

Ed

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They will forever be the Keystones.

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I think there's a couple other little killer combos out there that I may keep under my hat for a little bit... Billy, do you still have the car I borrowed to drive back and forth between PA and Ohio? I think we figured that one to have a great deal of potential. I know another combo that will run the index completely untouched, which I think would have a huge amount of potential just by dropping the exhaust and putting a set of 20" M/T's on it... :rolleyes:

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Come on Mike give us a hint.

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Have you ever seen Billy's headers? I wouldn't foresee a problem LOL. If I come across one for under $500 I'll throw Dad's back up 350 in it and see. The torque converters are the same correct?

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Awright.... too fun! Check out an '05 Cobalt. I've seen them run 16.40's absolutely bone stock. I believe it runs FF/SA (16.30 index) in IHRA. Ran my fiance's at Rockingham once (albeit 1/8th mile), and went some rounds. Not a bad piece. They had the scales on, and I think it was something like 300# heavy! Tires (gear), exhaust off (weight *and* power), airbox, fuel, etc... stands to pick up a ton. I think it's a pretty good sleeper combination.

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Mike
I drive and 07 cobalt runs pretty good may have to take it atco.

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Hi Billy. Actually it was 2004 (50th) Indy. ET was 14.22, for those keeping score at home. It did run 14.11 on the brakes at the Dutch that year. How are things up on the "ranch"?