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http://www.nhra.com/content/sportsma...0716&zoneid=85

Is this what Glendora is focusing their efforts on now? I thought they were trying to reduce the amount of classes. Now this??

W T F :confused:

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Now it all makes since. They're looking at combining ALL sports compacts into NHRA type classes. That's why they just changed the rules about Class winners. Bikini contest won't be far behind.

Sports compact racing was costing them money. Never could get a full field and spectators were too busy watching other stuff.

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What the HELL! What's the; index, weight breaks, and what cars, exactly, does this apply to? That explanation is a little vague. Wait 'till Bucky spots a front drive( and it states ALL MOTOR) Nissan. The bikini contest winner will get more than the Superstock winner, and she didn't pay an entry fee. What a joke.

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NOPI, the big time rice race promoter just announced they were suspending all remaining races for 2008.

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Another class opening up at events to attract more entry payers. Helps fill the pits at Divisionals and pay the purses. The seven guys running Nationally last year will each have a divisional race to run. Some new sponsors will have a place to guarntee prize money which can add to the NHRA prize purses. Good business for NHRA ? maybe. Good for Class racing or Sportsman racing in general. NO. Divides the number of people who want to race into smaller and smaller numbers of people per class. More Bracket racing....

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Dick,
Smaller classes? Like the class of broken CV joints?
I'll be glad to run one any round... Esp the final.. Chances are they would break before the final. They are about the only thing that breaks more than mine.

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Don't most of the rice burners use Alcohol?

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Will be interesting how they write the rules - current sport Compact all motor rules allow full tube chassis, non-oem body panels (1pc front ends) and Methanol - it's more of a Comp class than Super Stock but I know the Comp guys would go ballistic if they added a class with cars that ONLY run high 9's.

BTW - since they added the turbo FWD classes into Comp I don't believe a single one has attendedn an event. Don't look for an overtaking.

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I dont know about you guys but I cant wait for those bibini contests!!!!!!!

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You mean theres races at the sport compact bikini shows? WOW! I've been missing it all this time.

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I'd bet money that this is just damage control by NHRA. After eliminating the Sport Compact Series and sending it over to NOPI, and now NOPI having financial problems and suspending operations, these guys have no place to race. They were already pissed off when NHRA handed them over to NOPI, and I know a few of them were already talking PST lawsuit. If NHRA can make a few classes to show that they didn't eliminate them completely and actually gave them an alternative place to race, any such lawsuit would probably be seen as frivilous and thrown out.

Regardless, I bet the number of sport compacts you see running in S/S will never be any more than the number of FWD cars you see running in S/S...

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Could it be that NHRA recinded the Sportsman oil down penalties in anticipation of adding the rice burners to the program! :p

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ATTENTION IN THE PITS - SUPER STOCK TO THE STAGING LANES !
Weeeeee pop pop pop pop
Weeeeee pop pop pop pop
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee pop pop pop ! :)

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Has anyone thought about the safety aspect of pedalling and braking a high HP FWD at the top end to keep from breaking out (ie. torque steer or loading and unloading the large low pressure front slicks during braking and pedalling).

I personally do not know, but it is worth some thought.

Bill

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I highly doubt this will happen as a index class. After looking into stock/super stock class rules for lets say a mid 90's neons and transfer them to a honda civic would require tons of information be to attained by NHRA, engine specs, cam size, pistons, combustion chamber cc, and weight for all of the variations of sport compacts would be immense amount of data to be gathered. Let alone the approved pistons, header, head castings codes would then have to be added to the above listed information.

Along with the basic class rules the electronics would have to be address also, most sport compact run electronic such as in car widebands, dataloggers, 2 steps, programmable ecu's. I looked into what I would need to run my car and there was pages of guidelines for dodge neon chassis so all of those specific rules, part numbers, approved lists would near to be compiled for just my 1991 CRX alone. I am realist and I doubt it will happen.

If the class is just a open bracket I could see it working but from the structure I have seen that isn't going to go over well. I would love to go race in that series but get my car which is very simple to fit current rule would take a full overhaul and would require a set of rules to be released by NHRA in the near future.

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Steve they created a special class for the All Motor cars of the sport Compact Series. Which means they run with their rules in the Super Stock Class.

As for the electronics, if i am not mistaken all the electronics you have referenced are currently allowed in Stock as well as Super Stock.

Bill

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Sounds good, I am just interested to see what and how they would set index. Currently my car would fit as I read it in the DF/S with a index of 15.90. I am very close to allot of rules and nearly 3 seconds under the index, which I guess is a good thing if I was allowed/supposed to be in that class. I guess the sport compacts will be in their own little class and they will figure it out. Should be interesting, hope see you guys out there in 09.

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This should be interesting! Jim

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How did you come up with that?
91 Civics aren't in the class guide, therefore you don't have a factored hp rating.

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Tim,
Just read somewhere, NHRA is also going to setup some more classes in Comp for the faster Imports.
Hmmm, let's see, 3 seconds under the current SS index should get ya into the 128 car field. How would it feel if say, we have 128 of these cars that no one has a clue of what they should be rated at? Class winners of combinations where guys have beat on a combination for 30-40 years ( NHRA factored, I might add) can go home.
Nothing at all against imports or FWD (come real close to building one at one time) but holy cow, WAKE UP NHRA.

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Just did some math with the rated hp of my car and weight, came up with 20:1 which would fall into DF/S I presume. Its just a rough guesstimate to get a idea of the possibilities IF my car was added to the approved car list ect. I am new to this so thank you to the forum for explaining stuff . NHRA may just keep all the new sport compacts in their own class separate from the other classes, who knows? After getting my hands on the rule book I am guessing I will lose a easy 2 seconds complying with the rules, seeing as so many engine parts will need to be approved and I am sure that wont happen in time for 09. I would rather be safe than sorry with my combination.

The last thing I would want to do is come in and race in the wrong class/ wrong index ect, and disrespect the heritage of the class and the guys who have been working on their setups for year. I don't think there will be a huge "import invasion" due to the drastically different rules between current import racing and these NHRA index classes. These cars have a ton of money invested in them and I don't see them removing 80 percent of already owned parts in order to comply with the rules. Its just two completely different worlds right now.

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Steve,
I wouldn't do anything until NHRA post rules and info. I'm just guessing but, I'd say they will run the ALL-Motor imports, cubic inch to weight instead of rated HP to weight. They run the modified cars that way now and they also run Super Stock.

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I had feeling that would be a possible option, in the sport compact arena there is 3 different allmotor classes.

Pro Stock:3/4 chassis, fiberglass body components, methanol, drysumps ect Range 9.1's to10.0's
Pure Street: Motor swapped cars, kind of like putting a BBC in a street monza Range 11.0's-12's
Street Stock: Stock motor for chassis, unlimited options changing motor components 12.0-13.0's

A CU/Weight ratio may be the only way to get the street cars involved without massive amount of written rules or drastic motor changes.

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I truly believe you are both correct. TCain is right when he says to do nothing with your car right now. As you can see Steve by many of the posts and threads just this week, things change with the NHRA depending on how the wind blows! I also would like to say that I applaud your attitude Steve. Mutual respect and an open mind will get you far in our form of racing. Once again I offer you all the help I can with your assimilation into Stock and Super Stock racing! All you have to do is ask. Jim

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Steve
Second what jim said if you need help just ask.

Dennis FWD Stock.

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Steve - take a look in the Super Stock section of the rulebook, the Modified Stock subcategory. SS/GS is a FWD only classification that is failrly similar to the Pure Street / Street Stock rules, the main difference is car weight. Where the Sport compact classes had just a couple min weight, SS/GS is 18lbs/cu in for everyone - run a bigger motor, car gets heavier.

When you are looking at the rules for Stock eliminator you have to remember that the engine specs for stock outline that the engine is effectively stock compression ratio, non-ported cylinder head and stock unported intake with stock TB - you won't be running low 13's with that in any NA Honda (or anything else NA FWD).

As the other guys above stated, if you have questions feel free to ask.

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I went to two speed shops around me and both were sold out of 08 rule books so i will be ordering it off NHRA.com I did have a conversation with the one owner and he explained allot of stuff to me. The SS/GS class looks very promising for my current car since it is a modified class. Thank you to multiple members who PM'ed me with the SS/GS class suggestion it seams like a very viable option for fwd sport compacts in 09. Cant wait to get my hands on rule book and a reply from NHRA on some questions.

Truly Thank You to everyone on here for comments, information and PM's. Its nice to know most racers are cut from the same cloth no matter what they drive.