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Duane Eiskant II 08-30-2008 09:57 AM

What a shame.....
 
Bo gets bounced in a awesome car because the crankshaft didnt LOOK right.. But Defrank has an illegal carb that has the 4-corner idle circuit and gets to race, and told just have it fixed by the next race. Must be that west coast rule book in action again. Hey Bo, i guess Defrank can get away with it since he lives about a mile or two from the "head of tech", so he probly cuts his grass for him. Two years ago Travis Miller wouldnt tech Billy's car in because it had 4-corner idle and didnt come that way from the factory. Well, the camaros didnt either but the west coast rule book wins again.

SSDiv6 08-30-2008 10:13 AM

Re: What a shame.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II (Post 81174)
Bo gets bounced in a awesome car because the crankshaft didnt LOOK right.. But Defrank has an illegal carb that has the 4-corner idle circuit and gets to race, and told just have it fixed by the next race. Must be that west coast rule book in action again. Hey Bo, i guess Defrank can get away with it since he lives about a mile or two from the "head of tech", so he probly cuts his grass for him. Two years ago Travis Miller wouldnt tech Billy's car in because it had 4-corner idle and didnt come that way from the factory. Well, the camaros didnt either but the west coast rule book wins again.

Duane, not defending anyone, however, they are not the only ones running 4-corner idle...I have seen many other cars running them too. As a matter of fact, I called NHRA Tech and posed the question; the person that answered could not give me a straight response on the subject.

Duane Eiskant II 08-30-2008 10:25 AM

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The point is two years ago NHRA got all over everyone about it, TWO years ago. Thats more then enough time to fix the carb on that car. Hell, did they even race it back then? If they didnt that means it was built wrong in the first place. They just want to try and pick on people. Maybe NHRA's problem is the name on Bo's and Monty's cars. If so then they need to speak up and say it. This is america, if i want to sit outside the gate at VMP or even go in the gate at VMP and say F#*k NHRA. They cant throw me out. Maybe ill renew my number, run VMP in super stock and have that decal made and stick it in the back window of the car, and see what they say about that. I guess if you have an LS1 in NHRA, you better not race. That GM casting number on the crank must be wrong and if they see it they'll take it.

SSDiv6 08-30-2008 10:33 AM

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Duane...regarding the Holley carburetor...Holley's ad in their website is very misleading. They show a legal replacement carburetor for Stock and Super Stock, however, they show a carburetor with four corner idle.

http://www.holley.com/types/Competition.asp

Then look at the specific carburetor, with the choke plate, however, you cannot see if it has the idle screws in the rear. Interestting is the carburetor does not have the choke linkage, but if you look at the tower, there is a drilled hole to lock the choke plate in the open position.

Open up this page:

http://www.holley.com/0-4609-1.asp

This is the specific carburetor...NHRA approved for Stock and Super Stock...

http://www.holley.com/data/products/...ge0-4609-1.jpg

Duane Eiskant II 08-30-2008 11:04 AM

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so thats like the chevy getting an edelbrock head with a gm casting number. the ford getting the same head but hp wont change the class on the ford just the chevy. sounds like west coast bs to me.

Bill Harris 08-30-2008 11:25 AM

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SSDiv6: The Holley carb you are referring to is a 735 CFM for Ford applications, so I'm not sure how that relates to DeFrank's situation. Even so, where does it say that carb has 4 corner idle? If you open the technical information link on the page you posted there is a side view picture of the carb and it does not have idle adjustment screws in the secondary metering block. How is the ad misleading?

Stewart Way 08-30-2008 11:43 AM

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Its not really misleading if you read it. Its a write up for competition carbs. They chose one to picture then explained the differences. The page states that the 4609-1 does not have 4 corner idle. It also states that the 4609-1 does not have the choke plate removed. There are several carbs referenced on the page.

fredjohnston 08-30-2008 11:44 AM

Re: What a shame.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II (Post 81174)
Bo gets bounced in a awesome car because the crankshaft didnt LOOK right.. But Defrank has an illegal carb that has the 4-corner idle circuit and gets to race, and told just have it fixed by the next race. Must be that west coast rule book in action again. Hey Bo, i guess Defrank can get away with it since he lives about a mile or two from the "head of tech", so he probly cuts his grass for him. Two years ago Travis Miller wouldnt tech Billy's car in because it had 4-corner idle and didnt come that way from the factory. Well, the camaros didnt either but the west coast rule book wins again.

I'm crying right along with you bro.

Duane Eiskant II 08-30-2008 12:06 PM

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ed ed ed please come east some time. look at the MPH's when Billy is tuned up it will go 129 almost 130 there he only went 127. so if he would have tuned it up what would have happened?

BLAZER 08-30-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed OBrien (Post 81195)
Hawk gets beat by a real car and you wimps can't stand it ! Don't worry Hawk will kiss some *** and get another letter from a guy that sells snake oil and be on top with a car that never was soon enough but as it stands today he's # 2 . Be happy just think how bad he would have been beat if he had a real car ! Have a nice day

Rumor has it that the Hawkeye was 160# heavy--:cool: Have you ever really seen anyone kiss anybodys *** or is that just a point to be made :confused: You have a nicer day-

Duane Eiskant II 08-30-2008 12:20 PM

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ed when you get to where myself, billy, bo kenny, monty jo and such have been, then you can speak again. tell then stay under your rock, or better yet get out to the garage so your not made a fool off on your next heads up run.

Duane Eiskant II 08-30-2008 01:32 PM

Re: What a shame.....
 
ed be gone leave this to people who actually race cars that this topic is being discussed by, or have some type of dealing with the cars that are involved.

Duane Eiskant II 08-30-2008 02:04 PM

Re: What a shame.....
 
ed you need to know FACTS before you state anything about someone. one day we WILL cross paths and im sorry if i get kicked out of either NHRA or IHRA were going to have a talk. Besides why would it be allowed for defrank to run a 4 corner idle circuit on the carb and no one else? got to be that lawn care company he runs on the side.

onlooker 08-30-2008 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II (Post 81197)
ed ed ed please come east some time. look at the MPH's when Billy is tuned up it will go 129 almost 130 there he only went 127. so if he would have tuned it up what would have happened?

Duane,
Do you sleep with a picture of Bill's car under your pillow?
Or do you sleep with a picture of Bill?

Bub Whitaker 08-30-2008 06:15 PM

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Ed... Duane... you guys should exchange email addresses and take this crap to yourselves...


PS workin on my senior status... 100 posts? I'm
senior???

hadtobethere 08-30-2008 07:01 PM

Re: What a shame.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onlooker (Post 81244)
Duane,
Do you sleep with a picture of Bill's car under your pillow?
Or do you sleep with a picture of Bill?

Now that is a good one.......

keith ohanesian 08-30-2008 07:22 PM

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Ed same old crap out of your mouth!!!! Hey u should just call bub oh wait he would just tell u to kiss *** to. U like that dont u YUMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYY DIRTY OLD SANTA

Andrew Hill 08-31-2008 03:08 PM

Re: What a shame.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II (Post 81197)
ed ed ed please come east some time. look at the MPH's when Billy is tuned up it will go 129 almost 130 there he only went 127. so if he would have tuned it up what would have happened?

He was on kill, it was just that the air was 3600'.

hadtobethere 08-31-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hill (Post 81345)
He was on kill, it was just that the air was 3600'.

and that Camero is faster than that... 'should have run much faster for the underrated paper phony' Mustang

now we all know how fast that phony Ford is.......

Michael Beard 08-31-2008 06:30 PM

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it was just that the air was 3600'.
The D.A. isn't the whole story. I've raced in 3600' of air plenty of times, and I've never experienced air that slow. The barometer tells the tale. We saw it at Bowling Green the week before as well, when the barometer tanked but the D.A. and correction factors looked like they hadn't hardly changed, and I saw people miss the dial by anywhere from .06 to well over a tenth. It was pretty eye-opening!

You can see how the air has come around, as the Pro Stockers have picked up 2 mph! Pretty wild.

Duane Eiskant II 09-01-2008 02:51 AM

Re: What a shame.....
 
Anyone know what the deal was with the exhaust port in the 396 head? Nothing to compare it to? Anyone else need there lawn mowed in cali? You know who to call right? For the record air at Mir my last pass was 2900 feet went 97 mph in the 1/8 guess what today at darlington it was 3500 foot and went 97 again in the 1/8. Explain that.


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