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Jim Storms 11-05-2008 02:09 PM

Attn. Mopar Stocker racers?????
 
Curious, if any Mopar racers would be interested in a 5.00 rear gear sets?????? 489 case only!

Jeremy 11-05-2008 06:37 PM

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I would if it were a Pro Gear.
Jerry Davis

dartman 11-05-2008 07:24 PM

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I would?

David Lee 11-05-2008 08:15 PM

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I would be interested in a couple of sets

STK4340 11-05-2008 10:54 PM

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I would be interested in a pro gear.

Ryan Becnel

Jeremy 11-06-2008 10:11 PM

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I have several more sets sold if we can get them made.
Thanks

Dyeracing 11-08-2008 01:26 PM

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Yes, we would take a set if they were Pro- Gears, please confrim the rear pinion diameter if made, let us know Terry Dye Brighton Michigan

bsa633 11-09-2008 01:03 AM

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why the 489 case?

David Lee 11-09-2008 04:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bsa633 (Post 91173)
why the 489 case?

that's the strongest of the castings

bsa633 11-09-2008 09:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Lee (Post 91181)
that's the strongest of the castings

I heard over the years that 742 was the preffered one because of the larger pinion bearings,thats also the one that had a pro gear ava.in the days,but not anymore!

John Dinkel 11-09-2008 09:39 AM

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I broke a bearing cap on my 489 case. Destroyed the ring and pinion. Had to take the trans out to check the over running clutch.
It has not happend on the 742.

John Dinkel

mike natoli 11-12-2008 11:43 AM

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I'm interested getting ready freshen and order replacement set of 5.13 gears 5.0 would be just right. What is the ETA and who are we ordering them from.
Best Regards,
Mike

Chuck Beach 11-12-2008 12:24 PM

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I would definitely be interested in a couple sets of 5.00 pro gears but for a 742 case only. I have run the 742 case for over 35 years ... I think the straight pinion is much stronger than the tapered ... Jim Nichols did the same thing John Dinkle did to his 489 case, busted the bearing caps off both sides. I have broken at least 4 ring and pinion sets in a 742 case and I am still using the same case ...

Jeremy 11-12-2008 01:42 PM

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I also broke a 489 cap which took out the ring ,pinion and transmission on the class final at Indy. I have seen the new 489 case's and they apear to be much stronger than the older ones.
Thanks

chlngr73 11-12-2008 01:58 PM

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I would be interested in two sets pro gear and 489 case only. The new 489 cases comes ready out-of-the-box, no need for billet caps, and easier to assemble.
Thanks

David Buckner STK 4772

Chuck Beach 11-13-2008 12:34 PM

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Jim,
What is the status of these gear sets being made? thanks

Jeff Teuton 11-14-2008 09:31 PM

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I will take one set, but would prefer the 742 case. I have knocked the caps off too many 489 housings. But I will take the 489 if that is what it takes to get it done.

Jim Storms 11-16-2008 11:05 AM

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Thanks everyone for all the input and replies, not to dicourage any of you but they will not be making any of the Pro gear sets, at the current time we are working on getting sets built for the 742 case only at this time. i was told there will be about a 4-5 month duration to get these built! i was told it's a tooling thing. we hope to have the first 50 sets availible about April. thanks again,

Jim Bailey 11-20-2008 06:26 PM

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Hey Jim ( and other Racers ), We can Cryogenic Process and/or Rem Finish your gear sets. I wouldn't even worry if they weren't Pro Gears. I can't get Pro Gears for my car. ( 742 case 4.56 ). Ask # 1 qualifier at most Div.3 races - Chuck Beach - if he's broken any gears lately! Or better yet, what changes he made to his car that increased his performance this past year. Or ask, Michael Beard, Jeff Day, Scott Macy, John Dinkle, Phil Baldichino, Cheatin' Charlie Downing, to name a few, what they think. You can expect 2 to 3 times the gear life with quieter, better performance. It's cheap insurance.Thanks, Jim Bailey

NovaMan 11-21-2008 05:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 93034)
You can expect 2 to 3 times the gear life with quieter, better performance. It's cheap insurance.Thanks, Jim Bailey

How much of that is from the cryo treatment, and how much is from the rem finishing?

Jim Bailey 11-23-2008 01:38 PM

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That's a really good question. And the answer is % wise, I don't know. I ran Cryo'd only ring and pinions before I started Rem finishing them. Done correctly, (and I can't stress this enough ), and in a quality machine. I think the Cryo'ing adds more to the life of the gear than the Rem Finishing. I think the Rem Finishing adds more to the performance of the gear set. Think of it in terms of the Cryogenic Process treating the gear from the inside out, while the Rem Finish removes any surface imperfections and/or stresses. One thing I've noticed. After the Rem Finishing, any machining imperfections from the manufacturing of the gear set show up like a zit on your nose. This allows you to hand polish, with a cartrage roll in most cases, the "bad spots". It's my feeling that these imperfections gone un noticed cause many of the gear failures that we see today. If you're freshing up your rear this winter, I suggest you try it. It's cheap insurance. And I pay contengencies.
The hardest thing for me to convince racers is, Cryogenic Processing has improved many times over in the past couple years. They say, I tried that, it didn't work. NO, if you haven't tried it in the past year or two you haven't tried it. Cryogenic Processing, done correctly, is now done in expensive computerized machines. Gone are the days of 5 gal buckets with dry ice, and/or beer coolers.
Ask anybody doing Cryo a couple simple questions. How old is your machine? What type of insulation is used in your machine? (styroform breaks down with age ) And do you temper your parts after cryoing them? This is an important part of Cryogenic Processing. Thanks for asking. JB.

Michael Beard 11-23-2008 07:33 PM

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Bailey "FINISHED" my ring & pinion (4.86 Richmond set). I'll let y'all know if this one ever gives out. The last ring & pinion I had in the car only lasted 1 year (which granted, is several hundred runs for me).

On the performance end of things, at the beginning of the season, I ran 6.88 @ 98 mph at Piedmont in mineshaft conditions. I'll have to look it up, but I think it was a 1.41-1.42 range 60'. That was all with the standard 4.86.

I just got back from another mineshaft day at Piedmont - pretty similar conditions. With the FINISHED gears, I ran my career best with my H/CM Volare, 6.757 @ 99.33 mph, with a 1.376 60'. :D :eek: :cool: :D Thanks Jim! (and Sloan Racing Engines!)

www.finishedracing.com

bsa633 11-23-2008 09:06 PM

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Jim i sent you a PM!

NovaMan 11-24-2008 12:07 AM

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Should parts be cryo'd then rem finished, or rem finished then cryo'd?

Jim Bailey 11-24-2008 08:58 AM

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Cryogenic Process followed by Rem Finishing. Thanks, JB.

Chuck Beach 05-06-2009 01:31 PM

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Jim,
What is the status of this 5.00 gear?

Chuck Beach 08-07-2009 09:55 AM

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Hey Jim,
what is the status on this 5.00 gear sets? thanks

GTX JOHN 08-11-2009 12:20 AM

Re: Attn. Mopar Stocker racers?????
 
I would be interested in a couple sets if 742. I also wish I could get a 4.7 to 4.75 ratio. Thanks


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