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Notice to NHRA Sportsman competitors
11/25/2008
Due to abuses of the policies, pit parking complications, and pending changes to the online credential system the following changes will go into effect for all Sportsman categories in 2009:
Provisional entries (Gold, Silver, past world and past event champions) will not be allowed to re-enter after withdrawing.
Bronze Card holders will no longer be guaranteed entry. Bronze card holders must enter prior to the category reaching quota.
Once a category has reached quota, entries will not be accepted if the competitors grade point is less than when the category reached quota. Example: If a national event reaches its quota at Grade 4, only competitors with a Grade 4 or higher will be able to enter the event, regardless of the number of withdrawals.
Available transfers within the system will automatically be used during the check out process. Under Payee information competitors must enter address, Tax ID or Social Security number.
Driver changes will not be accepted.
Gate entries will not be accepted. All Provisional entries (Gold, Silver, Past Event and Past World Champions) must be completed online by Monday at 1 p.m. (Pacific time) the week of the event.

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err.... ok? Not sure why they would want to turn away customers.

$.02,

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Because we are taking up perfectly good space that could be used by hospitality trailers, golf cart rentals, geico insurance displays............

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Yep. Though I love how they lead it with "Due to abuses of the policies" and then follow it up with "pit parking complications" (i.e. we want more room for our hospitality trailers) and "pending changes to the online credential system" (whatever that means). They're clearly trying to make it look like we brought this upon ourselves, being the ill-tempered children that we are.

The one that sticks in my craw is the issue about no entries being accepted below a certain grade point once the category has closed at that grade point. Why not? Especially if no grade 4 or higher (as per their example) registers, why shouldn't a lower grade competitor be able to get in? You know why, because they want to FORCE everyone to go to a bazillion LODRS events, and they're annoyed that due to low car counts last year that people have been able to get it by waiting for the withdraws to go through in the last few days. You know what I've got to say about that? :mad:

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Beard,
Sounds like the most important issue is for NHRA to stop abuse of the system than to have more happy customers. Could the abuse they mention be of the staff? You know work. I can't believe racers would be abusing the system.

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Who allowed "Abuse of the policies"?

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Another good example of NHRA which stands for No Happy Racers Allowed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My 2 Cents

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It's funny how IHRA is practically begging people to come race with them and alot of racers won't give them the time of day. NHRA dumps all over there racers and guys can't get enough of it.

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Is this a "Happy" Rule?

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I gave up on NHRA in July when they said I needed to renew my membership even tho I hadn't even finished the first year of a two year membership renewal. Do you think I could get a answer to this. NO. So nothing by them suprises me anymore. Only thing I know is they wont be getting anymore of my money.

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It wouldn't bother me if they totally seperated Pro and Sportsman racing events...and it looks like it wouldn't bother them either.

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Who cares!? F-em!

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Right on Tony..... I am not looking to hard for my next car.....
I got ride of my ride at the right time.

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You could probably get away with a grade 1 and still enter some nationals...but it's doubtful. I think NHRA just forced your hand to run more divisional events.

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The two Vegas races in 2009 with quotas of 130 for Super Stock and Stock should be no problem with one grade point.

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Its been that way since the beginning of IHRA. Its mostly about NHRA "EGO" and what most hard core NHRA racers think is a second class deal . IHRA has tried hard over the years and survived many ups and downs. Most dont realize that if they supported IHRA more then the association could grow and aquire better tracks, more help, more and better sponsers, and more knowledgeable tech personnel to perform the required inspections. They have done a lot with so little. Ive had my ups and downs and diagreements with management but to be honest.....I would rather race or work for free with IHRA than work with NHRA and be paid. If you can call what most NHRA tech people make getting paid. Dont get me wrong....I have some great friends who work for NHRA but they do it for the love of the sport and because of the racers just as I did for so many years for IHRA. I worked for NHRA in 1974-75 and believe me.....theres NO comparison between the two. Contrary to popular belief.....NHRA management cannot "Walk on Water". Terry Bell

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I think IHRA would get alot more cars if the rules were enforced and they didn't have a class for everything, including your lawmower!. Get rid of the SPZ2-23A WTF classes!.

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Easy on that class. That's the class I run with my 38 Hudson Fastback red in color of course.

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If IHRA expanded their territory to the left coast, there is a big possibility they could put a hurt on NHRA.

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Fred, maybe if you understood what the SS/P classes were you wouldn't be so hard on them.(Basically stock bore/stroke w/ modified corporate match heads and single carb) The "p" or "production classes go back to the beginning of IHRA in the '70's. Actually, "production" classes were around before SS/GTzxylm classes that NHRA started if I'm not mistaken. Maybe they should do away w/ GT classes? Bottom line is there are rules for production class cars just like the other SS classes, take away SS/P racers and you lose about 30% or more of your entries. I haven't seen the lawn mower class yet...but who knows whats next!

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Just as I said.....Its mentality such as this is what Im talking about.. Those SS/Production classes are left over from the AHRA days and when IHRA was first formed. It included BOTH the NHRA and AHRA classes. Not much different than the SS/AS, or SS/CM, etc. that we see in NHRA S/S today. Over 3/4 of those classes no longer exist over the last several years. I worked for them for 22 years and never saw a lawn mower in eliminations yet. Or are you talking about fuel funny cars?

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I agree with T HALL ,in 1997 I won IHRA WINTERNATIONALS in SS with my dads car ,wanted to run SS in nhra va. divisonal already had membership & number had approved physical (nhra)
called MR. COLLINS about getting chassis certified and making license passes at Va div race ,was told to call MR.HOLT he said NO,my dad spoke with someone they said to call back and ask them
if I could make license pass at the end of the line of the qualifying because they had seen others do it before.I called MR. HOLT back and ask him he said call MR.COLLINS he said NO for me to get my stuff done at a nhra track not at a div. race they didn't have time to deal with it and don't call back and ask again at first I was mad but then I said it is there rules so go with , but then I go with my dad to div. race in VA. and on friday 1st. qualifying pass there was a car at the end of the line very well known SS car with a new driver on second pass i ask him if he was making license runs and he said yes
so now I'm pissed so I went to 1 of the 2 az holes that told me no and they laughed and said if U had brought the car maybe we would have let u run ........the rest is history my membership expired in 1997 and have never thought of renewing and never will !!!

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In response to the online credential system. They had a trial run at Pomona, I had regular credentials while my husband had a printed scanned online credential. Which stated you could only enter threw gate 15 or gate 17 at Pomona. Mind you security EVERYWHERE questioned him in the lanes because none of them were educated on the paper printed scan ticket.

Sunday morning we walked out to get breakfast threw gate 15. When we returned they stated we could not enter because no one is able to enter threw this gate walking in. They told us we had to walk ALL the way around the facility and go to gate 17. Mind you at gate 17 they did not even have a scanner to scan my husband ticket and we still would not have been able to get in.

So creative me saw a mini van with one guy and I asked him if we could hop in so we can enter threw the gate 15 in a vehicle. The security was fine with it. STUPID

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If IHRA, could extend it's track membership further west than San Antonio, Tx., then I'd go to there races too...I can't afford to travel several hundred (+) miles to race, hence my post of last week (the NFL/NHRA thing)...

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Perhaps we can get Jeg's Mail Order to add another one or two sportsnational events to their schedule, cause it sure wouldn't bother me to have a sportsman only national event tour!!!

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Hoorrrahhhh Gary !!!!!!!!!!!!!! It would be great if we had one at Maple Grove or E town for the Div 1 racers.

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Quick question.....

How do you get a BRONZE card?

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Joe;
Forget Englishtown.Between the curfew and the less than sportsman friendly management a better prospect would be Atco.I think Sway would be receptive to such a race.Instead of Sept. LODRS race have a Sports Nationals.

Ed

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I used to race a LOT of IHRA, especially when I lived in NC. However, IHRA is never going to draw a major crowd in class racing (stock and SS) as long as there are so many 1/8th mile events. I think IHRA is great, and treats the racers like kings compared to NHRA, but I think there are too many like myself that just cannot stand 1/8th mile racing in class.

Just my opinion, not worth a nickel.

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I'll second this.

And to the people asking us to support IHRA... I'm going to do everything i can to attend edmonton this year in an attempt to win your faulty championship.

Send some more events out here and we'll show up.

I encourage all fellow northwest racers to take a long hard look at this event.

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A Bronze Card is awarded to the numbers 6 through 10 finishers divisionally in Top Alcohol Dragster and Top Alcohol Funny Car who did not earn a Gold *or* Silver Card. The Silver and Bronze Card is for entry to national events only.

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Thanks.I didn't think it was something that a SS/S racer could get.

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If IHRA closer aligns the classes with NHRA you get a larger number of cars crossing over. IHRA should get rid of the various 2 bbl production classes and move them similar to NHRA, SS/AM, SS/CM, SS/BS, SS/CS, etc. Move the crate motor and stock "gt" classes from Stock to Superstock. Stock eliminator should go back to where the engine needs to match the car/body style and vehicle year claimed. Sorry, but no NHRA stock or superstock racer wants Joe weekly bracket racer showing up with his bracket car and running an IHRA national event in stock or superstock, which currently they can do. Again, align the IHRA classes with the NHRA classes and you will get the cross over traffic. I know.

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Whats' the "Happy" Rule?

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From the .90 Forum:

"Could it be from the little uproar over the driver change in Pomona that seemed a little fishy? Maybe a few people felt it was a little biased and made some phone calls. Now maybe NHRA is trying to get out of trouble, like they're doing something about it.
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Michele Corigliano "

Things that make you go hmmmm.

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Why penalize the racers that have supported them for the last 30 years just because a few people that never support IHRA say you will get more cars if you kill some classes to be more like NHRA. On one side you bitch about NHRA then on the other you ask IHRA to change to be like them...doesn't make sense! Look at the other classes NHRA has added after IHRA built them up, top sportsman, top dragster, top stock, pro mod are the ones that come to mind, they must be doing something right. By the way, if you couldn't tell, I race in one of those production classes and my car is far from weekly bracket racer. (Not knocking bracket racers we just have rules to conform to) The real racers like the Worners, Fletcher, Bertozzi...they don't seem to have a problem racing against the diversity of classes in IHRA, they just show up and race rather than finding excuses not to!

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Yeah......what you said Tracy !

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Ed, the only problem with Atco is space....they definately are the best run race track in Div 1 but would be tight for a sportsnats....just my take on it.....At the last points meet we were so tight I had to have the guy next to me move his trailer back and forth everyday so i could get my side trailer door open.

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X3

I see NHRA class cars being bracket raced fairly frequently, what is your beef with bracket racers?
Skeeeeered???
Must be.:rolleyes:

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Where is this discussed in the .90 Forum?