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What are some opinions on using a cool can and what kind? I am building a new fuel system and debate whether or not to include it. It is a stock eliminator sbc with a q-jet. I own a Moroso Super Cool Can but looking at it I wonder just how much the fuel flow is impeded by the design and if that itself would negate any benefit the cooling might provide. Thanks Doug

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Just be VERY careful with the Moroso cool can. I know a guy at a recent race who had one spring a leak and the can was full (and overflowing) with fuel. Apparently the aluminum insert had corroded allowing fuel into the ice chamber. The starting line crew caught it before he made his pass. Fuel pouring out on a hot engine would be a disaster to say the least. :eek:

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That is precisely what happened to mine and I caught it in time as well, Whew! I believe the seal shrunk in mine and hopefully it is fixed now but still apprehensive about using it. Do I really need one? How much advantage are they? Does everyone that has one use it or are they just excess baggage? I never really tested and probably should have.

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speed Max Performance is making a billet cool can (very cool design) in -6, -8 and soon to be a -10 size. their website is www.speedmaxperformance.com

I should have one of the -8 cans in my hands within a week, I will take pics and give a report

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I was going to say a -6 would not be big enough...What kind of money we talking on an 8an?

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I am a believer in a cool can. It made my car more consistant from hot days changing to cool nites. I have a 283 with the 4-gc which is very small and probably is effected much more tha the larger carbs ,.Jetting would play a roll in this also.I jetted mine for consistancy more so than to go the fastest it can go . I use mine even in the winter cold air and love it .Mine is also a moroso and i will be checking it more often after hearing these stories.I would like to see the new can also. /see you guys at the races

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They aren't cheap, a little over $300 if i remember correctly. But their design is leakproof and very convenient (no loose ice). I will give a true judgement on the quality once i see it next week. I am waiting for the -10 for my personal application

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Chad,

Would we be able to put 50-60psi of fuel pressure through this new cool can? It is something I have wanted to try for consistency with a slow fuel injected car, but never wanted to put that much pressure to the moroso unit.

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Has anyone else had a moroso cool can apart before? I am not a rocket scientist or a scientist of any other sort but what I see in the design of this can is it provides a major deadhead for fuel flow and would appear that all the heat sink area is not being utilized either. Am I missing something here? Has anyone tested fuel flow or temp in versus temp out in one of these? Doug

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I run 7 1/2 fuel pressure. With ice in can i can feel the fuel line at carb and is very cold .which means the fuel will not be as dense as it would be at a hotter temp.just old school stuff.it works for me .

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i believe so. However let me check with them monday and I will give you a 100% answer

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Ice doesn't last very long with a return system. If you have a "deadhead" regulator, it's will last at least a run or two. But with a return system, you will be lucky to get to the staging lanes b4 you need to reice it.

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Anyone ever do back to back runs with can and then w/o ice in the can? Would be interested to see what the ET pickups are, if any.

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"Back in the day" my cars were quicker using them. We had to run the fuel through the factory mechanical fuel pumps then, but Stockers were much more stock than todays cars. EFI cars don't have engine mounted pumps to put heat in the fuel, so I'm not sure how much it would be worth. That is something I have wanted to test. Anybody know how or if lower temps would effect fuel checks?

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The colder the fuel, the denser the charge so the faster it will go. Now, depending on the fuel you use it may or may not show a difference. Back in the day when i ran purple (cam II) it didnt make a difference. Now when i switched to the supreme, i had a issue with the cool can and didnt use it. The car slowed down .04. Good thing i had the bye that round. Chad let me know about the #10 cool can. I made a #10 line to the carb and the only restriction in my system now is the cool can. (only 3/8 pipe fittings). That why the fuel flow will pick up going to the carb. Thanks, Duane

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I use the Moroso and I am very happy with it. Never had a problem.

Phil

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I have picked up about .05 on a hot day. Cooler days you won't pick up as much. Fuel is already cool. Another thing I use to do is put my fuel jug in an Igloo packed with ice. I ran just as consistent as with a cool can. I would always drain al the fuel out of my tank before each race (not round) and fill it up with the cool fuel and did away with the cool can. We usually started racing in the late afternoon and being the tank in the trunk it wouldn't have enough time to heat backup. Enclosed trailers are nice, :). Worked for me anyway.

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Ran one back in the old days when fuel had to run thru the stock pump as said previously, but didn't see much diff after going to elec pumps mtd in back. Tried icing manifold in SS car and that works better, the only problem was keeping the intake charge temp constant. The only time I do it now is in a heads up race when everything is on kill. I found consistancy suffers if you try and do it all the time, because of temp differences ie: air, track, underhood etc. My 2 cents, Good Luck

I do use and insulating material around the fuel lines under the hood to protect from heat.

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Here are the pics of the -8 Smax Cool Can. All Billett, nice welds, fit and finish is good, could easliy be polished to a mirror shine

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Now that is what a cool can should look like! I am not the least bit impressed with the moroso super cool can after taking mine apart. I'm sorry but it does show a weak link in the sealing dept. as mine filled the bucket with fuel and you can plainly see why after dismantling and I really question the fuel flow capabilities. Anyone else had theirs apart? Moroso does sell new gaskets but not that readily available. Part no.65125160 for the gasket.

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that is a nice cool can.

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That's a "cool" can. Would you post dimensions of it? I'd like to know height and diameter. Would the -10 can be likewise or a bit larger/taller? Thanks.

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I already shipped it to a customer, but to give you an idea a coke can fits perfectly inside. The -10 will be taller, aparently it will hold a Foster's Beer can

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I think you would cool all fuel in tank because you are bypassing fuel back to tank. I would think it might help. Maybe with the hi fuel pressure it might not make a difference.Would be nice to know but since I have never seen one on fuel injected car doesnt mean someone has not tried it.

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Qoute by Chad- "aparently it will hold a Foster's Beer can ."

Now how in the hell did you figure THAT out !?!? Ha ha ha ha !!

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Chad does a LOT of that kind of R&D. :D

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Curtis, if I get time I'm going to test that this coming season. I'm too tight (or poor) to buy one, but I have talented friends. We'll make something. As small as my fuel cell is, I think I could get it all cooled down before leaving the trailer.

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that's what their rep told me. And Ed, if it held a handle of Crown Royal that would probably be my fault. Not much of a fosters fan

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I had wondered if once the sizing was correct to flow adequately anyone ever checked cold fuel with rich jet and lean jet versus warm fuel with rich jet . lean jet to see if it is volume or temperature we are changing with the cool can that helps. My cool can limited flow so much I deserted it and ran faster because flow picked up.(prehistoric cool can with small lines)

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Chad, I would't know the difference. Diet Dr Pepper is as wild as I get.

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well Ed, we know how wild and out of control you can get on that stuff, lol