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Check the class guide for your combo

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what changes did you see?

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The ones highlighted in green dated 1-1-09

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Right off I see the 396/375 aluminum head automatic cars are at 405HP starting 1/1/09. Most saw that coming.

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NHRA usually puts a notice on Lucas Oil site - nothing on there yet though

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1974 Dart Sport - 360 Stocker got 4 HP

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1967 Barracuda - 383 Stocker got hit

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They are highlighted in yellow on my screen?
I see the 67 Shelby 428 4v auto is now at 372. What was the old hp?

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Where is the list posted?Never mind I see you have to look up specific combos.

Ed F.

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I noticed on 86 Oldsmobile had green arrows and 307 yellow highlight. I can figure out the highlight but what about the arrows? Anybody? STOCKERS RULE!!!!! Rick

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Green arrows, I think, mean stock only. I have a 91 s-10 I'm thinking of running with 262 manual, and the arrows are there too. Dana drives it everyday. I bought it from the original owner about 4 1/2 years ago with 175,000 miles. Now has 220,000 plus on old iron duke(tech 2 now)motor with 5 speed. Been a florida truck its whole life, not a speek of rust. If I do run as stocker will have to run tbi system. I think P/S but might be Q. I know there is a 96 s-10 for sale but not enough mulla for it. Plus I enjoy building/tuning new combos more than actual driving part, which I can, and do a hell of a job at that too. STOCKERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rick.

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http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/class...ion/index.html

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Kevin;
You have to go to the NHRA site to the classification guide and look up each combination to see the changes.I guess the chimp who puts it up on the information site is off for the Christmas season.Coming back up East next year?

Ed

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1990 camaro 350/245hp now factored to 264 1990 firebird 350/240 now factored to 264hp!!!

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I noticed the Chevy 454 used in the Pontiac FWD GT combination did not get any HP.

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He probably learned his lesson when he keept beating on that 350 all those years..now he is just using the "system" like so many others!!

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im not the sharpest tool in the shed but did the 396 alum head motor get 5 more HP?The automatic?

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Because it did not hit the trigger.

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1990 pontiac formula 350/240/ is now 264 hp how in the hell did that happen , cant we all just work together to keep it from getting hp thanks gene monahan 1021

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Gene I thought sure they would take 4 HP off the combo. :)

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Mickey, the guide said the HP is up to 405, so the answer is yes.

Gene, I think they are just picking on the king, 19 hp is a lot, that is down right wrong.

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[QUOTE=Joe DeMarzo; the guide said the HP is up to 405

Joe - a little better, but still doesn't seem quite right, anyway watch your converter now with the extra 50 or so pounds and tell me if it doesn't flash a wee bit higher - [looser]. seriously my last hit @ 417HP - 3920 lbs min I had to change converter and the new one was out of the question!!! IF I'M WRONG ICE CREAM ESKIMO PIE ON ME - LOL

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I saw the same thing but the 375hp/429 got a 5 hp gift going from 371 to 376, don't quite understand how a slower combo gets hp and the faster one doesn't. I am not even going to get into how the AHFS is such a joke.

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It's probably based on "Have You Driven a Ford Lately?; because if you do, you are going to get screwed.

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HP now posted on Lucas site.

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He should have been able too avoid that..either he did not fully understood this "system" or maybe he just didn't care...by the way..FORD's get's screwed by NHRA???..myself i always thought they got almost everything asked for..

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All of the HP adjustments are not in the NHRA Lucas site, go to your own individual classification and check it out.

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joe did we get 10 hp in 4 months?

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Recognizing you are Chevy fan, let's be level headed here. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Pontiac is the fastest GT/AA at Vegas and Pomona. Runs faster than the Ford. Wins class and the shoot-out. However, the Ford gets the HP and the Chevy does not get any HP. It is clear there is something wrong.

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No..not really anything like that...just pointed out that this was his own "doing" ..but i commend all people that still run thier cars all out despite a good chance of being hit and get other racers rage....if everyone did..this "system" would probably work a little better than it is now...but still long from perfect because cars/combo's with small counts would still be at disadvantage if they go fast..look at the 427 Chevy's in Stock...been at the top of the class for more than 10 years and never got hit once still i belive..gotta be that the averge are keept down by all those cars running!

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Mickey, yes sir, that is what you get for working on your combo and running it hard. Some other combo's got zippo, go and figure.

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RE: 427 Chevy's in Stock...been at the top of the class for more than 10 years and never got hit once."

How can you say they are at the "top of the class" when the 426 Hemi in Ronnie West's GTX (previously in Fred Henson's '70 Challenger) and the paper cars ('67 Shelby single 4bbl GT 500s) display e.t.capabilities somewhat beyond what any of the 427 Cheys can run? John Cooper's '66 427 medium-riser Fairlane has also shown to be quicker, by holding the A/SA record for long periods, I believe.

I think the 396 aluminum head motor may even be faster in A/SA than a 427. at this point, although they just got hit with a little HP last month. Time will tell...

The 427 Rat is a great engine for A/SA, but not quite the fastest, in my opinion...

Bill

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Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen? rest my case..

p.s. its sad that the system took Hemi-Cuda's and Challengers out of contention..

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The 73-81 dish piston 350 got hit again too it's @ 287 now up from 283! 2 years ago it was @ 275! & had been for quite some time

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>>>>>Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen?
rest my case..<<<<<

Yes, I've heard of them but have never seen either of them outrun any of the three cars I mentioned.

Have you?

I don't believe they can, under normal conditions.

Neither of them seems to want to show up at Indy...

Some cold cases are worth re-opening.... :)

Just my 2-cents...

Bill
PS Not to worry; the Hemi lives on in the GTX... and, I completely overlooked the awful-awful Stage III Wedge of John Shaul... How stupid of me.

The amazing thing is, ALL those other cars have multiple carburetion... but, the Chevy gets it done with one four barrell....

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Damned right I have. Bobby has had his car, and the same combination, for as long or longer than I've had my wife, and we've been married 22 years. Super nice guy. Ask his engine builder, Gary McGlasson, they've got more money in cams and headers that don't work laying around than most people have in a decent car. I can't remember how long Joe and Hal have had that nasty little green car.

We're two tenths slower than Bobby, or Joe and Hal. We're getting there. And we're considered to have a pretty decent 427 car. Most everyone else is two tenths or more slower than either Bobby or Joe and Hal. That's why the average for the car and engine does not get hit. The same engine is in the 66 Corvette, the 69 Chevelle, and the 66-69 Impala. All of that keeps the average down.

Now that we have the AA class, the Hemi isn't out of anything. Besides, I guess you've never seen Barton run, and let's not forget Shaul and the other non Hemi Chryslers. Further, word has it when Henson ran that high 9.80, the car already weighed about what it had to after he got the HP the next Tuesday.

I won't bring up much on the Fords, there's been enough bandwidth spent on them to start another Internet. Let's just say they're no less underfactored than any of the 427 or 396 Chevies.

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It looks as if the GT/AA class is really going to be dominated by one certain combo now as I see the Chevy 400 got hp also. Damn that AHFS is really f'd up but as someone said earlier others don't know how to avoid being hit but that shouldn't be the way it is and it's ashamed those figure heads in Glendora don't do anything about it. Warren Johnson was dead on in his assessment of the leadership at NHRA.

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New hp is posted on the Lucas site. The '67 Ford 428 355 engine got 5 hp. It was 367, is now 372. For the record, it is the racers who give hp, not the NHRA. Of course, the class, engine and body combo can be twisted around, but by and large it is the racer's average, or a 1.40 (or quicker) run that garners anyone the lead trophy.

Let's face it, there is no way we will ever have a "perfect" system considering we are tying to even the playing field for virtually 50 years worth of cars, trucks and the technology that each vehicle brings. Not to mention the variation of tracks, weather, tech, compression ratios, displacement, wheelbase, body and driveline design. If anyone is smart enough to create a system that can equalize all of this madness I would gladly buy them dinner.

Evan

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I'll have to disagree with you Evan. There have been some really good discussions on how to fix the AHFS, and while it can never be perfect, nor can you prevent people from working the system, it can be improved a great deal. It would not take a great deal of effort on the part of NHRA, but evidently NHRA feels any extra effort on their part is too much.

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Alan, I have to agree. The plan includes allow as many combinations an easy entry and then wait as long as possible to pay attention because "its all dial in anyway". Chances of really having to race heads up is small.(in their thinking).