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Jason Oldfield 12-16-2008 02:37 PM

IHRA Sportsman racers - Letter from Skooter Peaco
 
To All IHRA Sportsman Racers:

As we head into the new year, we wanted to make sure that everyone has seen or heard of the major change we have made to help sportsman racers compete for a world championship in 2009.

I know many of you have read about the new "Tournament Of Champions" program by now, but there are a still a bunch of racers who have not. I wanted to pass along this link to the details of the program for those who have not seen what change is in store for 2009. http://www.ihra.com/article/3619.html We are very excited about the possibility of opening up a national program to so many that have not been able to participate in the past.

Additionally, the rules updates for 2009 have been announced and can be found here
http://www.ihra.com/article/3741.html along with the special class schedule http://www.ihra.com/article/3666.html.

Last but not least, we have expanded the popular sportsman only Champion Systems "Sportsman Nationals" series presented by VP Racing Fuels http://www.ihra.com/proam/results/2009/index.php to 6 events in 2009. These will be events that will also be Tournament Of Champions qualifiers for the class winners. We are excited to have Champion Systems (a new sportsman racer oriented team uniform manufacturer) and VP Racing Fuels see the value in what IHRA does for sportsman racing to support these events.

Since Champion Systems is brand new to drag racing, they wanted to pass along an introduction to you:
.....Greetings from Champion System. I’m Scott Kaylin, one of the co-founders, and I would like to invite you to stop by our booth at the PRI Trade Show (booth 5346 and 5348). We’ll be displaying our full line of custom technical pit crew shirts that are only $60 each.

We’re excited to be the official uniform supplier of IHRA Drag Racing as well as the title sponsor of the 2009 Sportsman Nationals Series and we’re looking forward to supporting race teams of all levels. We offer pit crew shirts and other tech garments at unheard-of low prices and our new CS-5 program has a low 5 piece minimum for full custom crew shirts with no artwork, design or set-up charges. We think this low minimum is what sportsman racers have been looking for.

Feedback is always important to us so please contact me if you have any questions about our products or services. We look forward to working with IHRA race teams and to making custom crew shirts that will really set your team apart!

I look forward to having the opportunity to making you and your team part of the Champion System family


That brings you up to date. It seems like we are making announcements on a daily basis lately, so feel free to stop by ihra.com for all the news. We will continue to communicate all the news to you and you can always feel free to contact myself or my team in the competition department with any questions, concerns or comments. We are continually searching for new and innovative ways to grow our sportsman racing programs and feedback from you helps a great deal. The best way to find out what is going on is to contact us directly and not rely on the internet message boards for information. Based on the quality and accuracy of what is on the message boards, those should be used for entertainment purposes only!

As we face new challenges in the new year, rest assured we are ready to meet them head on. All of us at IHRA wish you and your family Happy Holidays and a safe New Year!


Skooter Peaco
Vice President
IHRA / Feld Motorsports

marvstrick 12-16-2008 06:51 PM

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I got a email from Skooter informing me that in the race for Champion that Stock & Superstock same class would be a spot. I would like to apologize to all nhra races who said we nothing but braket racers. Sorry you were right. Marvin strickland jr. 9777 c/cm

buzzinhalfdozen 12-16-2008 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marvstrick (Post 96570)
I got a email from Skooter informing me that in the race for Champion that Stock & Superstock same class would be a spot. I would like to apologize to all nhra races who said we nothing but braket racers. Sorry you were right. Marvin strickland jr. 9777 c/cm

Marvin, I agree 100% This really doesn't make sense to me though I've seen a few posts from people stating that a racer may "borrow a fast car" to race forcing a heads up run. This is easily prevented by IHRA, I'm not sure of this but I would guess that there aren't a lot of the same class cars in the normal top of points. Sure a racer could at the "run off" borrow a car to run heads up however he would have to know the pairings in advance correct? how would he know what class car to borrow? And last but not least this is Class Racing, which unless the meaning has changed means two cars in the same class run "HEADS UP" sure it would be upsetting to be beat in a championship run off in a heads up run, but just think how the winner would feel, if he indeed did it the right way, WOW I raced good and now my hard work on my CLASS CAR paid off. Just my opinion and I know it's not widely accepted. Joe. By the way what the heck does SCOOTER know about class racing? I thought he ran the Rod classes.

442OLDS 12-16-2008 07:36 PM

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From what I understand,this is for ONE race that theoretically only the best drivers will be participating in.If there is a very populated class,somebody could feasibly win 5 or 6 rounds of heads up races with a fast car that they don't even own.It could be borrowed for just this ONE race.I think they made a good decision on this.Like I said before,IHRA could have FREE entry and $1000 cash for first round losers at all events and some would still be upset.Since I race both sanctioning bodies,my car is built to NHRA rules.I didn't even realize until reading another thread that IHRA doesn't care what size rods you run or what the weight of your pistons are,or what your cylinder head volume is.That could be a real disadvantage racing somebody in the same class..Its tough to please everyone.I'm not saying this just because I have a slow car.

Alex Denysenko 12-16-2008 08:21 PM

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This is out and out bull****!
We are supposed to be class racers. Class racers race heads up when you meet a same class car.
If you are lucky enough to make it to the final race of champions then you should be bringing your "A" game. As a driver and with the performance of your car.

Would IHRA give a nitrous pro mod a spot against a blower pro mod in the finals due to their inequity?

Go fast or stay home!

buzzinhalfdozen 12-16-2008 08:45 PM

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[QUOTELike I said before,IHRA could have FREE entry and $1000 cash for first round losers at all events and some would still be upset.Since I race both sanctioning bodies,my car is built to NHRA rules.I didn't even realize until reading another thread that IHRA doesn't care what size rods you run or what the weight of your pistons are,or what your cylinder head volume is.That could be a real disadvantage racing somebody in the same class..Its tough to please everyone.I'm not saying this just because I have a slow car.[/QUOTE]

The entry cost doesn't bother me, you pay to play, what bothers me is the no heads up thing of which there would be a slim to none chance of happening, however there are no doubt some racers that would do anything to win. What with all the lifting @ 1000' running to the I-card and running their ladder generating software to try and hook up with a "duck" it's obvious that there are some racers more worried about "playing the game" than racing heads up. sorry if this offends some people but as my dad always said the" truth only hurts if it should". Most of the racers I know value the respect of their peers above most things and would not intentionally do anything to lose that. IMO Joe

Ed Fernandez 12-16-2008 09:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko (Post 96587)
This is out and out bull****!
We are supposed to be class racers. Class racers race heads up when you meet a same class car.
If you are lucky enough to make it to the final race of champions then you should be bringing your "A" game. As a driver and with the performance of your car.

Would IHRA give a nitrous pro mod a spot against a blower pro mod in the finals due to their inequity?

Go fast or stay home!

Hypothetical situation:
Racer A has an A/SA car that runs .7 under because he doesn't have $$$ coming out of his ***.Racer
B is a so called traveling sportsman pro and has an A/SA car that goes .8 or .9 under.He has alot of contacts to borrow a 1.20 under car.Bye bye low buck guy.
On the other hand Racer A might get lucky and be offered a fast ride.So it's a wash.
I would go along with the heads up runs if the participant would have to use the car they raced all year.
But wait,some guys use different cars sometimes during the season.What a mess.Obviously there is no fair solution to the problem.Every body is right and every body is wrong.

Ed F.

442OLDS 12-16-2008 09:55 PM

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[/QUOTE]The entry cost doesn't bother me, you pay to play, what bothers me is the no heads up thing of which there would be a slim to none chance of happening, however there are no doubt some racers that would do anything to win. What with all the lifting @ 1000' running to the I-card and running their ladder generating software to try and hook up with a "duck" it's obvious that there are some racers more worried about "playing the game" than racing heads up. sorry if this offends some people IMO Joe[/QUOTE]

Some people actually lift @1000 ft HOPING to get a "Heads Up".It is all part of the strategy of SS/S racing.Just as some are hoping to avoid a heads up,others are hoping that they can get one.If enough people feel strongly enough about this rule,maybe it could be "voted on" before the race.If the majority want heads up,then I think it should be that way.I gave my $4.42,maybe some others can give theirs.I would post a poll on here,but a bunch of people will vote that don't even have any intention of running any IHRA races anyway.

Michael Lyons 12-17-2008 12:56 PM

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It would seem that with as many classes as they have in Super Stock, that the slow guys could duck into a production class to avoid the heads up thing. Maybe its more of a problem in stock. However I personally have had to spend alot of money to keep up in the normal classes since IHRA won't allow a ford racer to be able to compete in the production classes due to the silly corporate transmission rule. Don't the GM cars have a Ford 9 inch rear end in them? But irregardless, seems like a let down after all the money and work I did to my car to make it fast enough to protect myself frorm the heads ups that I would have to spot someone who hasn't paid his dues in the sport cause hes only been racing IHRA a couple races here or there for a year or two, the same jerk off that would be so arrogant to think my shut off runs had anything to do with him and come in my pit area and bitch at me that I was trying to get him heads up. No on the contrary my shut off runs are mostly because I can't run one of the soft production classes anymore and cannot qualify high enough to get a bye run and so even though I have twice/three times the money and work into my engine, they get a first round bye in an odd car field, while I qualify 4th on an all out run and don't get any bye runs. So why am I tearin up my stuff in qualifying. I would be better served to shut off and get that #1, #2 qualifier and race him for his bye run. So for all the people who piss and moan about "what are you doin?" theres your answer. remember this cause the next time somebody comes whining at me in my pit area I won't be as pleasant I have been in the past... Oh yeah and as far as the division winners get a first round bye, thats stupid. They should take whatever the field is and qualify em in the same manner as each class uses all year and run em in the normal race format. It would be better if there weren't ANY bye runs if the ladder worked out that way..

tpoh815 12-17-2008 06:11 PM

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I agree and disagree with this type of racing format ......But, each of the Accel Survivor Series races had the same bracket race format. One year there were 2 well known B/SA cars and drivers that ran into each other in the semis I believe. These 2 never complained about not running heads up! This is the same idea.
I do see how some "high dollar killer fast respectable cars" would have a problem. Not to be a dick but if you dont like the format dont do it. My slow car will then have a better chance to get in this race. Happy Holidays.

Harry 6674 12-17-2008 06:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tpoh815 (Post 96698)
I agree and disagree with this type of racing format ......But, each of the Accel Survivor Series races had the same bracket race format. One year there were 2 well known B/SA cars and drivers that ran into each other in the semis I believe. These 2 never complained about not running heads up! This is the same idea.
I do see how some "high dollar killer fast respectable cars" would have a problem. Not to be a dick but if you dont like the format dont do it. My slow car will then have a better chance to get in this race. Happy Holidays.

It's crap like this that makes Pinks All Out more popular with the fans than S/SS. It is a performance based class. It's getting pretty gay.

tpoh815 12-17-2008 07:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry 6674 (Post 96704)
It's crap like this that makes Pinks All Out more popular with the fans than S/SS. It is a performance based class. It's getting pretty gay.

Harold you must be a top half qualifier! Im glad. . Oh by the way, If you believe everything in Pinks all out well I think thats pretty gay. Happy Kwanza then.

Ed Fernandez 12-17-2008 07:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry 6674 (Post 96704)
It's crap like this that makes Pinks All Out more popular with the fans than S/SS. It is a performance based class. It's getting pretty gay.

I have an idea,lets go back to running off the Nat'l record in eliminations.Oh,then only the guys with $$$$
will keep coming back.S/SS will go from gay to extinct.Just look at all the opinions and disagreements on this site.If the people on here were around in 1776 the US would have never evolved.The British would have kicked our asses good.

Ed F.

442OLDS 12-17-2008 11:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry 6674 (Post 96704)
It's crap like this that makes Pinks All Out more popular with the fans than S/SS.

I think the fans would be interested in Heads Up runs if there was an arm drop by Skooter Peaco.

442OLDS 12-18-2008 01:53 AM

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Harry 6674 12-18-2008 11:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 96715)
I have an idea,lets go back to running off the Nat'l record in eliminations.Oh,then only the guys with $$$$
will keep coming back.S/SS will go from gay to extinct.Just look at all the opinions and disagreements on this site.If the people on here were around in 1776 the US would have never evolved.The British would have kicked our asses good.

Ed F.

Can't you buy a national record holder off these classifieds for 10k. That doesn't seem to unreasonable to have a possible dominateing car if this was real drag racing instead of rally racing in a straight line. Don't worry it will never go back unless OPEC gets control of shoe polish. Maybe then it will be cheaper to work on the car.

Michael Lyons 12-18-2008 12:45 PM

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The country was founded because the people were sick of living by someone elses rules and tired of payin ridiculous taxes to fat bureacrats much like we all probably are today. I imagine there would be more of us that would agree on those topics than silly racing formats..

Ed Fernandez 12-18-2008 01:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry 6674 (Post 96782)
Can't you buy a national record holder off these classifieds for 10k. That doesn't seem to unreasonable to have a possible dominateing car if this was real drag racing instead of rally racing in a straight line. Don't worry it will never go back unless OPEC gets control of shoe polish. Maybe then it will be cheaper to work on the car.

The only record holder you could get for $10K would be a front wheel drive car,maybe.Look at Yak's
Mustang,couldn't touch that car for $10K.In your so called real racing scenario a competitive car would probably be $25K and up.How long would thew class survive and grow at those costs?
Mike;
There hasn't been a topic of importace on this site since it's beginning where ego's and agendas haven't
torn the subject apart.You have everyone going for the same goals (set records and or win races)and there are guys here willing to do anything to get there,legal or not.
We just elected a guy who is going to "change" our direction.So far over the recent past the advocates for
change have gotten their way and we are slowly morphing into what used to be SS.

Ed F.

buzzinhalfdozen 12-18-2008 05:34 PM

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WOW!!!! I don't know about most of the other racers but 10k for a good car of any type sounds cheap. I just finished my new SS car doing the chassis, sheet metal work rear end,Plumbed it wired it paint ect.doing all the work myself and have far more than that as a roller. Add in an engine good trans and converter and you can easily eclipse 25K. Maybe there are some guys out there running for alot less I don't know and I don't care, but if someone thinks their gonna run SS on the cheap they may very well get dissapointed.Joe as the old saying goes"speed costs money haw fast do you want to go?"

Charley Downing 12-18-2008 07:09 PM

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Just one more reason not to run IHRA. If you have a slow car that's the chance you take. Stock is not for everyone you IHRA bracket bagels quit trying to kill it. There was a time when stock and superstock racers took pride in making their cars run fast. IHRA stock and superstock eliminator is not real class racing like on the other side of the fence. Let’s all just call it what it really is find a class to hide in bracket 1 because I don’t want to work on my car because I might have to run someone heads up.

Chuck D real class racer that's not afraid to race someone heads up

Ed Fernandez 12-18-2008 07:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Downing3548 (Post 96854)
Just one more reason not to run IHRA. If you have a slow car that's the chance you take. Stock is not for everyone you IHRA bracket bagels quit trying to kill it. There was a time when stock and superstock racers took pride in making their cars run fast. IHRA stock and superstock eliminator is not real class racing like on the other side of the fence. Let’s all just call it what it really is find a class to hide in bracket 1 because I don’t want to work on my car because I might have to run someone heads up.

Chuck D real class racer that's not afraid to race someone heads up

Chuck D

Weren't you caught earlier this year with other than legal mods to your car?If so then it's no wonder you dont mind heads up runs.

Ed F.

Charley Downing 12-18-2008 11:02 PM

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Ed 2007 indy and .20 on the top ring for those who are keeping score. Not at bogas motor all other specs passed with flying colors. And I have done the time and payed for my crime.

Ed Fernandez 12-19-2008 12:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Downing3548 (Post 96886)
Ed 2007 indy and .20 on the top ring for those who are keeping score. Not at bogas motor all other specs passed with flying colors. And I have done the time and payed for my crime.

Time flys when you get old.Sorry for bringing up the past .My original point was S/SS is performance orientated to a point,just not like in the early days when they ran off the records.The guys who ran then can confirm that there weren't as many people running then.They also were true innovators,because
the stuff available then was archaic compared to now.And I truly believe they were more dedicated to
racing S/SS for the pride of winning class.Now there's more of a mix of go fast and win the race types.
Like everything else money,and the love of it has ruined racing in general and S/SS in particular.As
usual my beliefs will get poison darts thrown at me but that's life

Ed F.


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