Help from any FORD racers..
 

I have been struggleing to get my car to run the numbers, and really want to race at some divisionals this year. I am working with small blocks for now, and trying desperatly to get the car to run mid 10's so I can run S/ST. seems all of our prior attempts have either fallen short, or didnt last long enough to race.

So far we have tried a mild 306, a well built 306, a 331 stroker, and a mild 347, best we have gone is 11teens. I really dont want to keep throwing money at this anymore, and cant afford to completely switch to a big block yet, or even make the move to put a Chevy in it, which I have seriously thought about lately.

Here is what I still have...

Canfield 210CC heads, that flow 310, a Parker Funnel web for the 302 block, a nice .672/.687 Mechanical roller that will top out at 8000 rpm. Hamberger oil pan for the 302 block, Flexplate, and ballancer. I have a new Glide with a 5000 stall converter, or I have a good C-4 with a 4500 converter. I have several carbs, 650, 750, and a 900. I have been thinking of building a 347 with high compression, and using what I have, but really dont want to try this again only to just fall short of being able to run 10.90's.

Any suggestions?

I have also thought about going with a 351W block and using a 427 stroker kit, but this would involve finding another block, oil pan, and intake.

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With a car that is going to tip the scales at 2800+ lbs. You need some torque to get that car moving. It's easy to spend someone else's money but you need some cubic inches. A windsor stroker would help but I'm not sure you can flow the numbers with that head to make a 427" small block really run. The windsor is going to need a different intake, and some other parts. Maybe now is the time to sell as much of that small block stuff to someone and build that big block. A stump pulling BBF isn't as expensive to build as all the Chevy guys will tell you. What kind of flow can you get out of those heads, 310 cfm might make enough with a 427 or maybe some port work can get the flow you need?

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just my .02 my brother has a small block ford 311ci in a 88 body mustang...the car weighs 2700 with him all steel except hood scoop....he has a liberty trans and runs 10.08@129.54......a good combo is everything..the carb is a 950....


how big tires and what gear do you have,this will determine alot

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Mill the heads 20 thou.
get the 750 carb. converted to Alch.
Launch @ 4800 rpm
Shift @ 7200
Let er eat!

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keep the Ford the 347 should be able the get you there depending on the weight of the car. If you can't get the 347 in the med tens try a 393 or a 408 W. I run a 378W with not much to it cast crank old TFS heads and small tude 1'5/8 headers and its been 9.95 131 usually runs 10.10s. Good luck Robbie

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I have a svo351 stroked to 435, I ran in IHRA hotrod. It goes 9.34 @ 141 and 10.90 @ 136. It has blue thunder heads. I ran a c-4 from dynamic converters and shifted on time. I shifted third gear on rpm @ 7200.
I have used every SBF combo and to make them run you need alot of comp. and stroke to get them moving off of the stop. My car weighed 2992#. Glen fergueson runs a 351 stroked with yates heads also and he goes 10.90 @ 134. You also need to spin the crap out of that 306,331,347 to run #'s...I build alot of NMRA motors for guys. Your welcome to take my 435 for 10k TK...I am going SS racing. I would put those heads you have on a 4.00 stroke, 4.125 bore motor with a .721 or so lift cam with .270-.280 duration@ .050., super victor intake, mvh spacer,gary stinnet gas carb. Good luck. I will tell you what DOES NOT WORK ON A FORD. lol




SS/EM 161
Quick Rod 161

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Thanks guys, sounds like I am lacking in compression and cam for now, maybe the gear as well. This car all last year kept having trans issues and only got three or four good runs out of it.

For some reason it never wanted to pull much past 5700 rpm, I thought it may be the hydrolic roller that was in it, never put the mechanical one in it yet.

I am looking at a 408 with aftermarket 4 bolt caps, and a good steel crank. will use my mechanical cam, and heads, have to get a new intake and all.. And switch to the glide with the 5000 stall converter, Do you guys think I need more gear? 3.73's with a 28x10.5 tire?

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Hey freddie. I run 88 mustang here's what i use to run s/st. 351w 418ci. Afr205 heads, super victor intake, 656 roller cam, 1050 dom carb, 13:1 comp, power glide trans, 5800 stall, 4.10 gear in 8.8 rear end on 10.5 tires. Car weighs 2945 w/driver. Runs 10.0s at 136 and 10.90s at 132-134



jeff d.

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Friend of mine runs a Mustang II with a 302....10.30's I think best times, If I remember right 10.90's at about 126...I believe he runs a 800 holley...Lots of rear gear (5.14's) and keep the 3 speed, and lots of convertor (at least 5800-6000 )...little motors need lots of help getting going on the bottom of the track..

You have lots of head and cam, it needs to run up there in the RPM, you should cross the line at 7500 at least...

Just my .02...

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I have not run the mechanical roller in this car yet. The motor has been running with a Motorsport hydrolic roller one of thier F cams.

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Your 347 should easily run low 10"s
Try a roller with 270 deg @.050 ex 278 @ .050 108 lobe sep.
a converter that flashes to at least 6000
5.43 or 5.67 gear
Be careful of the hamburger pan. The pick up is typicaly way too long.
The ford pump tends to cavitate.

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Freddie keep the C-4, the gears depend on the rear tire size, I run 14/32s and a 5.14 gear shift @ 6600 and gone thru @7500 .60 ft has been as quick as 1.28 The mechical roller is a must.

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Thanks again guys, I cannot tell you how much it means to me to be able to ask questions on here, and have valuable responses from racers.

For now it looks like I will be trying to run SS this year, we came accros a combination that will utilize most of the parts I have already and only need to make minor changes to the car ( change out the k-member and lower a arms) otheriwse the car is ready. The motor I have been running falls into GT/MA with a 12.05 index so I figure with a GOOD c-4, and the right converter, and some more gear in the car. I will be looking decent. I k now it will not be way under, but this motor with the bad C-4 has gone 11.98 with the 3.73's in it, so I figure changing to a 4.30 or a 4.56, and a well built trans should get me maybe 11.4's. I will be estatic to run .5 under my first year out.

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If you were to ever decide to go to go to a big block, I have a 532 cid internally ballanced short block that I would be willing to sell at a reasonable price
Chuck

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Chuck: thanks I already have a pair of 557's I am planning on running one in my sons S/G Ranger later this year, and the other in the new S/C dragster we just bought.