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I was just watching the live timing at lvms and it said frank ran 8.997@144.8 in the first session.On the sceond run it showed 9.18@139.If it is true,I hope he was going for the record.

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If that's what the actual ET and MPH were then it corrects to an 8.844 @ 147.19. Way fast.

Correct me if I'm wrong but considering that 8.997 is -1.403 under the sea level index doesn't that mean that combo gets a hit on Monday?

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I believe that alt.factored tracks are still sacred cows.Anything goes.No penalty.I'd like to see what those
supercharged Mustangs would do up there.8.50 chassis certification anybody?LOL

Ed F.

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the time corrects to 8.78 at 148.49 think that will be the record until it is retired in two years. Great run!!

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Another testament to those "spot on" altitude correction factors.

Jim McBean

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You're right Colin. I used the wrong factor. I thought .9830 sounded strange.

Still really fast. Congrats to Frank, Phil, & co.

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1320go.com has the altitude at 1,000 and barometer at 30.42 on the first session. These cars are getting "factored" close to .25 in most cases. Thats fair.

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my goodness, these guys are flying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

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Yes

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For those who balk at the altitude correction factors according to one of the posts they were in 1000’ of air and 30.42 barometer.
The track altitude is 2100 feet.
So you can kind of think of it as going to Montgomery and having -1000 foot air.
Its mineshaft air for an altitude track not an out of whack correction factor.

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That car will run 1.40 under at sea level, it's only a matter of time before it gets hit.

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Come on guys.... everybody knows that a 30.42 barometer at 2100' is a CORRECTED BAROMETER and not the actual barometric pressure.

A corrected barometer cannot be used to determine density altitude.

Bob

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If the score board showed an 8.99 in GTAA then he should be signed up for 3.25% come monday because that is 1.40 under the sealevel index, just because there at an alt. factored track doesn't mean they can go more than 1.40 under the sealevel index. Also for all that wine about factored tracks come on out and try it some time, because if you haven't then you have no room to Bitch.

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I can't believe some of you guys still squawk about the factoring. Notice that Colin didn't, he was at Vegas last fall running against these guys and holding his own. He saw how fast Grossi went then and got to experience the conditions and factoring for himself. Perhaps that's why he thinks it's an awesome run.

An 8.99 is an awesome pass for any GT/AA regardless of altitude. Deserves the power hit too.

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Frank Grossi and the Crew CONGRATS . Red Le Blanc

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Congtats to Frank and crew on a very deserving accomplishment.

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WOW !!!!!!!!!!! what a run for sure, i dont care about the alt factored what it comes out. But 8.99 at Vegas is something else.

Great job to Frank and the Phil Mandella crew.

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a big bird flew in and told me we have a new B/SA record. how about 10.02? if this is true congrats to all the Defranks and there crew. never forget where the power comes from WIKLE PERFORMANCE. also steve for getting it to the ground.

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Is the record worth the additional 11-HP this engine received on Tuesday from NHRA?

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To Frank yes.

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But, he didn't get to keep it. I was told by a gentleman that knows him, he ran too far under the index. I had no idea that would negate a record.

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GT/AA 8.77 148.49 01/30/09 Frank Grossi - Upland, CA '05 Pontiac Las Vegas, NV

Cut and pasted from the NHRA.com records page @ noon Pacific time 2/4/09.

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I hope that has not changed. He deserves to get to keep it.

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Nothing on the NHRA website about any hp change. Did he get the hp?

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Yes it is in the guide, to cheep to put it on there site

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Dumb Question but if he got 11 hp but the record stands does that mean he weighed enough to have been correct wt for the NEW HP? If he got HP how could he still be the new record holder at a light wt? He would not be legal for the class at the wt he set the record correct?
Dick
Congrats on running that fast. Sadly another example of factoring issues, but an example of some progress on AHFS.
Good luck to the Small block cars who had it handled till this motor was discovered.

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Dick
He got the HP as the result of the record. The 11HP is effective now so he was legal at the time.

Paul

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A friend of Frank's told me about NHRA taking the record back. Hopefully he got that straigtened out. He should not have to tear it down for nothing. 11 hp won't hurt that car. He will still be dangerous.

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Early in this thread it was stated that he ran 8.99 and 9.18. How can the 9.18 backup the 8.99 since it is not within 1%? Rulebook says the faster can backup the slower if greater than 1% difference but the slower must be within 1% to count the faster as a record. Maybe there was another run quicker than 9.09?

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I understand the discussion that he was legal at the time but if they now feel he earned 11 HP because of going so fast related to other class cars how is it sensible that another combination could take the record?
I think it is a" two edged sword" A helpful fix for the HP but which motor that has been hit with HP 3 or 4 times can be expected to chase that record?
In no way do I mean to minimize the hard work to go that fast.

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That combo is probably as stout as the 454's the Camaro's and the Firebird guys are running at almost 70 hp less. 336hp on a 454 vs 327hp on the 350's (might be wrong on the 350 hp) still no comparison. 8.99 is an awesome run at altitude, hopefully he will come east to Bradenton next week and let that thing hang out and see what it really has.
If I am not mistaken the 454 carries about a 72lb disadvantage to the 350. I don't think that 72 lbs will do much to the car, he was almost 1.00 under on the first shot. That's a bad piece he has under the hood.

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8.77 daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!

I hope he brings it to a non altitude track to silence the critics.

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Smitty, you are correct on the HP on the 350.

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First I want to say congrats to Frank and his crew on an outstanding run!!

How don't some of you understand this whole AHFS yet?? If horsepower is given to a combination, and that combo happens to be the record holder, that record goes back to a minimum!! So he did set the record with his run, but that record goes back to the minimum once the horsepower is assessed! He will still get his paper from NHRA stating he set the record.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99.9% sure I'm correct.

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Bryon,

I understand it the same way you do.

He did correctly set the record.

However, once the combo was no longer legit (weight), the record went back to the minimun.

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Bryon

I think your understanding was correct several years ago but has since been changed. In May of 07 I set the SS/KA record on a plus -1.40 run that resulted in 9 HP. The record is still current in the National Record Listings. One of those unpublished deals kind of like putting power on a combination at a factored track, wasn't supposed to happen. Since running at factored tracks was new to me I asked that ? when we were in Vegas last Fall. The answer was you can run as fast as you want at a factored track without triggering the AHFS. I then asked if someone was to run -2.00 under what happened the answer was NOTHING it was wide open. There is no mention of factored tracks at all under the AHFS section on NHRAcom. (that I could find).

In any event congratulations to Frank and Phil on a hell of a good pass.

Dave

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That's why I posted this on page one.But I guess because I never went 1.40 under before my comments dont count.Nice run either way.
Let's see what happens the next time someone who is not as well known and or respected as the Grossi's bombs a combination.Wonder if the accolades will flow as freely?

Ed F.

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Dave,

Maybe they thought Norwalk was a factored track!! Damn, I thought I was up on all this crap! I guess I'll have to ask when I tech in at Phoenix!!

We should all go to Boise in April and let'em rip!!

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Congrats to Frank, Gary and Phil. Straight up it was one hellava run!