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Scott Kelley with his FWD 4-cylinder Toyota is on to round two!!! Gotta be a bit discouraging to get spotted by a FWD Toyota.....


Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
714K Scott Kelley 7952 Bill Riddle
E1 ****WINNER**** 0.010 9.793 119.06 0.050 11.051 121.57
SS/EX Dial: 9.65 (+/-): 0.143 GT/GA Dial: 10.47 (+/-): 0.581
Qualified: #64 9.687 -0.513 #76 17.577 6.377

10:55 a.m. Weather conditions: air temperature 58 degrees, relative humidity 31 percent, barometer 29.04 inches, adjusted altitude 1,266 feet, track temperature 68 degrees.
We finally get around to the first round of Super Stock. Kelly with the light and the win.

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The guy was .010 on the tree and the GT car ran .581 over.Give credit where it's due.

Ed F.

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Thanks Ed, but I'm waiting to see what he does in round two, Fred Moreno is no pushover, and I'll be surprised if the Corolla survives rnd #2!!! Moreover, if the round one guy would've ran .5 quicker I'd be willing to bet $ that this thread probably would've never appeared...Go Fred!!!

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Kelley tanked 2nd round (he was really late and Moreno strapped a heckuva run on him).

And Gary - even if Riddle had been able to run the number 1st round, Kelley was holding .04 on the starting line and would have been alot more interesting.

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Wow I've never seen anybody with so much hatred and animosity for imports....besides me! LOL!

Excellent Gary, love your posts!

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Way to go Fred...I'm not surprised in the least!!!

Oh, and Tim yes you're right that race would've been alot more interesting, however I still feel that the true consistency of the Toyota would've made my last statement a likely truth! I believe that Riddles consistency would've offset Kelley's starting line advantage...We'll see at the next race Kelley attends, but I'm still waiting for others to bring out their imports as well (especially in Stock Eliminator, since they're ballyhooed as being Americas best street cars)!!! I just want them to show up at the strip and prove it like the American fwd's have been doing for years...I'll at least give Kelley kudos for doing that!

Steve Polhill, Lisa Stephenson, Mark Yaccavone, Randy Hyman, Art Leong, Mark Poole, and myself amongst others have been showing what American fwd's can do...when are the import front/rear wheel drive Stockers going to show up and have the guts to race against Detroits best rear-wheeler's...let alone us???

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Hey Gary! Did you forget somebody? Thanks a lot buddy. Jim

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Gary - Not sure if you've looked at what I race - 99 Dodge Neon FWD Super Stock. I'm with ya bud carrying the torch for American FWD (and trying like you to win with one)

You're not going to see imports in Stock as the people that race imports are by no means working within the confines of rules like Stock eliminator. The tuner scene in general is far more concerned with increasing power through engine swaps and power adders. The only way you might see one is if its found by someone like Bob Shaw to be underfactored enough to be a good candidate for an easy #1 qualifier. Most of the racers you've named and pretty much all of the FWD racers in Stock/SS historically have been involved with class racing prior to building the FWD car.

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R.O.L.O.L....Jim, Jim, Jim...ONE THOUSAND PARDONS I BEG OF YOU???

I knew I'd forget someone, but please know that it wasn't intentional Jim...after all I remember talking with you back in the 90's about ways to help my car run the index let alone quicker...that computer chip ordeal I went thru made me glad that Accel came out with their calmap. I really do thank you for trying to help me out with my factory box, but I'm glad that the Accel's still working for me!!!

Ok out there in FRONT-WHEEL-DRIVE STOCK ELIMINATOR LAND, WHO ELSE DID I OVERLOOK???

Jim, we should chat again, so I'll pm you my number and we can catch up on set-ups...what do you say??? Friends again???

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Might want to cut Scott Kelly some slack...Scott is a second generation racer, son of Larry Kelly who raced a VW in Modified Eliminator back in the day. Of the NOPI freaks, the Kellys were probably the only ones outside the late great John Lingenfelter who actually knew something about drag racing.

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My pardons to you as well Tim, and to Larry Dowty as well with his Pontiac Grand Am Super Stocker. I'm a bit jealous of you two, because gone are the Super Stock classes that my fwd V6 could've ran in. However, when I think of having to add a roll bar, and a tranny blanket (et. al.), just to run against an index that was a just a tad bit more than one second quicker than the CF/S index is, it makes me glad I'm a stocker...besides I go to the drags to race Stock, and watch Super Stock. Who knows Tim, someday perhaps you and I will shock the drag racing world by winning Stock & Super Stock with our fwd cars up there at your Brainerd track, if not Bandimere Speedway nearly halfway between our homesteads? I just hope that the bee population is much smaller than what I saw when I was there in '05 for the Div V ET Finals (they were as bountiful as flies in Denver!!!)? By the way Tim, what's with your mosquito's having what seems like suction cups on their legs---when I left the track I had to get my truck over 40mph to get the wind to blow the darn thing off my windshield??? Sheeessh !!!

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I'll cut Scott some slack (I did give him kudos for doing what non of the rest of them that ran the NOPI scene from the west are doing), but given how I feel about the American auto scene, and since I'll think of Dec. 7, 1941 every time I line up next to an import(especially a Japanese one), I'll be hard pressed to cut any imported cars much (if any) slack. Besides, since Volkswagens were originally made by (what once was) the West Germans, and it was the East Germans who produced Hitler (if my memory isn't deceiving me), so I have no qualms with European vehicles. I may not have lost any (immediate) family in that American tragedy, but I feel as an American, that an innocent part of American history was traumatized forever thanks to companies such as Mitsubishi, and their business allies, plus the country for supporting their warped-minded leaders ideals on that originally docile Sunday morning in Pearl Harbor. As far as I'm concerned USA vehicles were, are, and always be No. 1 with me, and those (whoever they are), who think differently can meet me on the line!!!

After years (decades) of favoritism by the magazine writers towards imported (again Japanese)products, inspite of my own eyes seeing that their cars aren't the angels from heaven that Consumer Reports (and other publications of their ilk) feel they were/are, I take great joy in proving that our home grown products are every bit the equal (if not better), of theirs...that's all!

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Jim, I tried to pm you, but your profile doesn't accept them...bummer.

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I don't think Scott Kelley has a swastika tattoo or bombed Pearl Harbor and his riceburner is running mid 9's not 13's and that's pretty remarkable for a FWD car running in a bracket race against rear drivers.

Your memory is deceiving you... Hitler had a lot to do with creating the Volkswagen and German race cars kicked everybody back then.

As for Pearl Harbor that was as much the US governments doing as the Japanese.

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Gary, I'm just bustin your chops! Email me jimwahl@embarqmail.com

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Tom what does the P stand for, Pamayota? That has to be the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

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Tom's statement may not seem so dumb.Many people believe Roosevelt had info acquired through intelligence that the Japs were planning the bombing.There were many Americans who were still opposed to us entering the war and Roosevelt supposedly saw this as a way to do it.Was it worth 2500 dead?I don't think so.But it's only a theory.
Racing content: The guy went one more round than half of the field.

Ed F.

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Tom P you need to read a little history before spouting such things.
I guess the planes and pilots that attacked Perl Harbor were american made planes and the pilots citizens of the United States to make it the United States fault? Give me a break.
This sounds like some left wing speak that also denies the Holicost in Germany ever happened!!!!!!!!!!
For those who lost family during the second world war this is a personal attack on those family members memory.
Just let your left wing thinking be said around your left wing friends.
I will NEVER OWN A JAPANESE MADE VEHICLE......
My 2 Cents

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I think we should just thank this guy for coming out and playing with us. I don't see anything wrong with it.

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Its great to see Scott out there running, he is a excellent ambassador from the sport compact ranks. He is like many with similar style cars, very professional, and great racer. I know that some of you guys enjoy bashing on the sport compacts as "kids" "punks" and falling into the stereotypes of NOPI, bikini contest ect. For myself and 90 percent of the racers who competed in NOPI race classes that kind of stuff was annoying beyond belief since it portrayed the racers in a way that was completely wrong.

I must disagree with you, there are plenty of import racers like my self that run "Street Stock" which is very close in nature to SS, no swaps, oem trans/motors, but more lenient on the some of the rules. Right now there is no place for us street cars to cross over, after about a half a dozen emails and no one from NHRA could give me a straight answer what class my car would fit into, and what rules I would have to meet.

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Without a turbo you can probably run SS/GS or if it's all out SS/EX (very stiff index) If it's turbo you have a class in comp that was set up for the hotrod class cars.
One thing you have to adjust your car to fit the class, they are not going to adjust a class to fit a car.

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I was more talking about true street cars, SS/EX are practically FWD pro stock cars on meth. I can race at 15 events in the mid atlantic area with my car the way it sits, I would love to cross over and race at NHRA if there was a index class outside of the SS/EX. There is a place and index for allot domestic FWD street cars like neons ect, I would like to see the same for import sport compacts. Per reading through this forum and the rule book my cars oem power weight 2100/110 I would fall into SS/GS with 14.30 index. If I could run this index I would make the changes needed to comply with every rule to race.

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Come on in the more the merrier. Actually the more cars the less chance nhra will do away with us.
For years there were 2 FWD SS classes I told a lot of people about them (wanted to build a car for son or daughter). But nobody listened. So I decided to do it myself. Now that theres only 1 class we are starting to see some action.
PS the index will probably more a bit in the next year or so.

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I never suggested that Scott had a swastika tattoo or bombed Pearl Harbor (I don't know what you're eating/drinking, but I don't want any..lol), however the corporate leaders of the company that created the car he's racing probably did (at least the Pearl Harbor part). You're being a bit harsh calling his car a "riceburner", and I applaud it for running a nine-second pass, however I'm looking forward to seeing how it fares out running against any of the perrenial top-20 Super Stock racers when the car is going to have to be as consistent as Scotts rt's are good in order to beat the Fletchers, Biondo's, Langs, DeFranks, et.al.....

Perhaps Hitler had a lot to do with Volkswagen, but as far as that German race cars kicking everybody back then....maybe on European soil, but I bet Victor Edelbrock Sr., (amongst others), had something to say about that over here in American soil???

As for Pearl Harbor, the Japanese didn't have to do their cowardly deed, and I hope reality was like the movie with Ben Afleck, and Cuba Gooding Jr. where a warship gunner, and an American fighter pilot were able to gun down some of those bastards that attacked Pearl Harbor!!!

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Sean, in as much as I refuse to take back any of the stuff I said in this thread (because the car magazines seem to be madly in love with the Toyota's and Honda's of the world, and praise them as if they were GOD's gift to the automotive world), I too thank you Scott for coming out and playing with us. I hope I get a chance to meet you out here in Arizona, at the Lucas Oil Drag Race Series event(s) either in Chandler, or in Tucson. My budget hasn't been kind to me (because of our great economy of late), so racing both of them is a question mark, but I hope to be at Firebird (since it's closest to home)?

I just hope that more of those cars can come out here, because (like someone else said here), the more the merrier!!!

One more thing, I had to send corporate spec info on my Z24 to NHRA back in the 90's for it to be accepted into Stock, so that's what those who wish to run Stock Eliminator (with their sport compacts) need to do as well...imagine the thought of my '86 Z24 running for DF/S class out here against an Acura Integra...I can only dream......