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So long SS, CTS-V
Cadillac’s world-beating high-performance V-series CTS and STS as well as the spirited Chevrolet Cobalt SS and HHR SS are no more — all casualties of GM’s restructuring to help slow the global automaker’s downward spiral.

On Wednesday, GM pulled the plug on its High Performance Vehicle Operations in Detroit which produced the aforementioned shining stars in the company’s lineup. Workers employed at the division were reassigned to other areas of the company.

“All high-performance projects are on indefinite hold,” GM spokesman Vince Muniga told the auto trade publication Automotive News. “The engineers are moving into different areas of the organization, and they will work on Cadillacs, Buicks, Chevrolets and Pontiacs.” On Tuesday, the foundering automaker submitted its viability plan to the U.S. Treasury Department. That plan calls for as much as $30 billion from taxpayers by 2011; meanwhile, the company says it will cut 47,000 jobs, shutter five more of its plants in the U.S. and jettison Hummer, Saab and Saturn either by selling them off or phasing them out as it did Oldsmobile. What about Pontiac? Well, it won’t be John Z.’s Pontiac ever again, that’s for sure. The whole plan is here.
- By Mike McNessor
Hemmings online 02/19/2009

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Good thing I didn't pre-order a new Camaro. This sucks. Just when they started making hi-po cars again. Maybe in 30 years a 2002 Z28 will be worth $$ like the 67-69s are now.
Hope you're happy, UAW!!!!!

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That corp is so mis-managed they should go under. I just hate it for their workers and vendors.

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After they ended the GMPP and AC Delco sponsorships of drag racing last year I decided I will no longer be supporting GM in any way.

In our family we have 4 Chevys. Other than the minivan stocker project, we don't own anything but GM products.

I will never buy a new GM vehicle ever , or use a GM part on any of my vehicles unless I have no other options. Not even an AC Delco spark plug or oil filter.

If I can ever afford a new truck it will be Ford, or even possibly Toyota.

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hears a link to the GM site. http://www.themotorreport.com.au/204...ev-heads-weep/

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Thats the way to support your brand through tough times!!! :confused:

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While you're at it hold your breath and jump up and down.

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When things were good it was everybody's friend (the big three). But when things go bad the true colors come out and people with no knowledge whatsoever about the GM problem throw rocks. Paul-What do you know about the UAW? Why is this their fault? Ed-You might get your wish and when the others fall( and trust me they will) you will be stuck driving a generic Foreign piece of crap. Tow with one of these so called trucks from the Japanese automakers and let me know how it works out. Sean-Get a grip, the cutting back was a necessary evil to save a few dollars and last that I seen KJ was still sporting their colors. Am I wrong? Jeff-thanks for the post, the article is an interesting one and something that in my town has been known for months. Their is plenty of blame to go around in this deal, so research it and then blame all guilty parties. BREAKING NEWS-Toyota is laying off people in the United States! You gentlemen (not including Jeff Lee) have not a clue about what the deal is about this GM crisis and what the consequences could be if GM falls. I see it everyday in my community and it is sad. Hope you never have to go through what people in my area live with everyday. Spend some of your time online looking at the Detroit News or the Detroit Freepress or the local Detroit television news broadcasts to get a better idea of what the real deal is.

This is not opinion, but the brutal truth.....

Have a nice day,

Steve Williams

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Well said Steve.
I own 13 GM vehicles and 2 -68 camaro race cars. I'll keep buying GM as long as there is a place to do so.
Chip

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i have 2 new gm cars and an 05 truck,a 67 camaro and a 76 camaro race car..i too will support gm to the end ,they helped build the good ol u.s.a and i dont see the sky falling..if you keep up with the auto deal you mopar and ford folks know you are next..denny

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Steve...I couldn't agree more.

Interesting to note GM has produced guns, airplanes and military engines that supported this country in time of war. What about that?

GM has an incredible technological base, but their current cost structure is prohibitive. Management has made mistakes, but this company deserves to survive.

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I'm a Ford guy but I support our own first. GM as well as mopar needs support. It's not uaw's fault or any other one thing but a perfect storm that finally done them in. Mismanagement at the top, poor quality, bad service, think I'm talking about domestic's? How about toyota in the 70's! They found out their rusted out underpowered, uncomfortable tin cans can't compete head to head so they figured out what race to win. The quality one! And with that turn around they started building bigger, more comfortable and powerful cars.

The same will happen with the domestic's. Toyota proved it can't build a full size work truck, hell honda's is a FWD unibody car with a built in box! But the domestic's have been changing and in the last two years ford and chev both have trucks that will get 21mpg. Ford is now on par or better than japanese quality and has the most 5 star safety rated vehicles on the planet! The new fusion hybrid gets 8mpg better than the camry hybrid. There is a lot to be proud of only many years of dealerships denying warranty or pissing customers off has left a bad taste in consumers mouths. Once the nay sayers and anti domestic bashers realize that the quality is up on domestic's and on par with anything else offered, the tide will slowly change.

Times will be tough for GM and mopar. If they fail it could drag ford down too as well as foreign automakers who use the same suppliers.

Times are tough but don't give up on the same companies that built tanks/aicraft/etc for this country in it's time of need!

GO GM!

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In an earlier post I did bash Chrysler and I still feel they deserve it.They have been building cars that aren't keeping current with real world situations.I have a 1999 Dakota I tow with and I love the truck.Their
problem is with the cars.They flat out get **** gas milage.Being taken over 3 times since the early 80s hasn't helped their image.This gas problem didn't start recently and they never worked to raise fuel milage in the cars.GM still hasnm't learned to stop the model duplication accross brand lines.Let GMC build trucks,Chevy bread and butter cars,buick more upscale cars and Pontiac sportier cars and let Cadillac be what Cadillac used to be.Hummer should have been dumped before they came out with the H3.And I wish I could get 80% of my pay for sitting on my *** when things got slow.Auto workers have known their jobs were not 12 month guaranteed,that's why they get a high rate of pay.And the Jap cars are laying off only because us poor suckers dont have the money to buy ANY new cars.And BTW I have never bought and very infrequently ridden in a Jap car and I'm 63 years old.And I race a car that parts are not the easiest to come by.They are out there,sometimes having to be either fabricated or modified.I can't go to an AMC dealer or Summit/Jegs like the big 3 for some of my stuff.The ironic part would be if a Jap or Korean co. bought a majority share into one of the big 3.
And Detroit hasn't been a suburb of Beverly Hills for a long time.


Ed F.
From the Socialist State
of New Jersey

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Steve, I wish I could shake your hand and pop a cold one with you man (plus the people from Janesville, Wi., who built my Z24 Cavalier DF/S race car)...you realize that I'm still running the same drive axles that were put in the car by those great Americans??? That's been 70k street miles, and well over 500 1/4 mile passes with water burnouts dominating the total!!! In my line of work I get to deliver auto parts to service shops, and dealers and most of the time I'm delivering axles to them they're for Japanese Import cars!!

Now Going Broke 2, the reason I'm quoting you, is because some of what you said I was mixed over:

1. You forgot to add oil burning to the list of problems with the Japanese cars of the 70's (heck I last year saw a Lexus...A LEXUS, with blue smoke (oil) coming from its exhaust!!??). I don't really know when they started building great cars, because my former mechanic from San Antonio (now), had a neighbor who had a Honda (his daughters car), and they couldn't even repair the fuel system that messed up on her car.

2. Toyota made me laugh my butt off when (in the mid-80's) they tried to get a Turbo-charged 4cyl engine to be the equal to the big three's V6 engines in their compact trucks...R.O.L.O.L., it lasted all of one year because in their 4wd
trucks they realized that when you're off-roading you have no time for turbo boost to kick in..you either have the "RIGHT NOW" hp, or you don't and they didn't!!!...as the saying went--"there's no replacement for displacement"!

3. You mentioned quality...with Japanese cars of old? I won't forget that I crossed the path of a lady who had a Honda Civic that she bought brand new in 1983, and she was at a pay phone calling for help while her car was spewing coolant from the radiator (due to over-heating)? The funny thing for me with that was my then wife and I just bought an '82 Chevy Cavalier, that had 33k on the odometer, and my car was working fine (granted that because it was a rental, and we know full well how rental cars are treated), after it rec'd a new head gasket at 33k....this car survived nearly 2yrs of public abuse before it needed that gasket, as opposed to her car being less than 6mths old???

4. As for Chrysler, as long as the engines in them weren't built by Mitsubishi (like the 3.0L V6, which was in the Minivans, and some of the fwd cars), I liked their offerings, and they were of great quality...I loved the 3.3 Chrysler V6 that was in the 1990 Voyager minivan I rented to take my family (with great ease I might add), from Denver to San Diego, and back...I wish we could've kept that van. If Chrysler would've stayed away from putting Mitsubishi engines in some of their cars & vans, they would've been a lot better off.

I hope the "nay sayers", and "domestic bashers"...as you stated (i.e. Consumer Reports, and Car and Driver, plus other publications of their ilk), get ignored by smart American shoppers that realize the truth (just as my eyes/ears, and nose has for years), that the big three has always been (at least) the equal of even the best of the imports...I will say this especially for the General, because I've owned numerous Chevy's, a Cadillac, and a Pontiac, and I was raised on GM products...it was also funny when my sister once had to take a Nissan Pulsar back to the dealer the next day after she bought it, to fix a problem with her brand new car!!?? My (then) brand new '76 Chevy Vega (IV77B6U220942), my '04 Chevy Cavalier, and my current '04 Chevy Colorado (both also bought new), didn't need such visits...I wonder why......

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Goinbroke2 said

There is a lot to be proud of only many years of dealerships denying warranty or pissing customers off has left a bad taste in consumers mouths

Not to get off subject and not even looking for a response but (dealerships) pissing off customers! I would have to agree as there are a lot of bad dealers out there for ALL makes. Second


Dealers do not deny warranty claims! Warrany claims are probably the most profitable claims for a service dept but if the manufacturer will not refund the Dealer for a claim why should the Dealer eat the expense

Dealers only sale and repair product! They do not build them!!

Dealers are not the problem here

Just my 2 cents worth

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Since the Jap cars are becoming the topic all I'd like to say is if the Jap cars are so bad then why,when I drove a flatbed for the last 4 years pretty stady and now and then since the 80s have I picked up so little of them for mechanical and electrical reasons.Mostly it's for accidents.I'm not a big fan of them but they do build a good car for the money and alot of them are built HERE in the USA.
Anyone else in towing on here seen the same results as me?
Ed F.

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When I worked at the dealer, the hours a job paid were cut when it was a warranty job, and the dealer got less per hour and less for the parts.

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Alan

Ok customer pay rate is probably a little better than warranty rate How long since you been working for a Dealership Not sure if what you said is still the case? I will check with a local store to see.

Still my point was (is) the Dealers are not the problem with the car company crisis! I here all kinds of talking heads on cnn nbc etc that Unions the manufacturers and dealers are going to have give up something.

Like I stated the Dealers only sale a product and service it. They do not make it.

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Just a note; I tried to buy a 2010 camaro tonight. ALL of the pre production run cars are sold. I will have to wait till june.
Larry

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One thing has caused this is "living beyond your means". Multi million dollar bonus/freebies for vice prez of.............fill in the blank. Not just GM but alot of major companies not only in the auto industry. Just like alot of the population ---- instead of using dollars, using paper (or plastic) to pay bills. Borrowing money that dosen't exist, etc. Going to take alot to get this economy back on track starting with the consumer. In the past years advertising/incentives such as buy now no payments for 6 months. Financing anybody. No credit-no problem, bad credit-no problem, bankruptcy-no problem .No down payment. When I was younger and working at a GM dealership and someone wanted to buy a car with no money down, the sales staff would have laughed in your face. The credit industry and big management/big government is where half the problem started. The other half is when American car companies started using foreign components (engines) in some of their products. We came up with the technology to build these engines and gave it, or sold it away only to buy it back at a higher cost. Then we decided to move plants and buy products across the borders because of the cheaper labor and less gov. regs. But instead of passing the savings on to the end user the prices remained high. Then it was decided to build (middle of the line) cars that require excessive labor/time for basic maintenence. The blame goes around in quite a few circles. And I also feel for those that are loosing a job that they have worked hard at and took an interest in. Sure is a shame we have let big money/big government spend us into this mess. The economy can live only so long on "paper".

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the north america free trade agreement,NAFTA, started all this bull, it opened the door wide open for foriegn imports into this country and our exports to thier country was not near the the same numbers,we got it right up the wazoo,my town of 33,000 just closed a G.M. dealership that has been here for 60 years,sucks

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It used to be said that how GM goes, so goes the country. I guess todays mess shows that to be true.

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Kudos to you Steve for your comment.I think the thing we are missing is this situation is a world wide thing.And it is not getting any better.Not that I was very fond of the big three workers that took advantage of the system,there were some who did work.And those guys were some of my customers.Unfortunately with their cutbacks,so goes their drag racing habit too.And we did some contract work too, that has been axed.It's a big snowball effect and that thing is still rolling downhill.The problems started at the top,even further up than the top mgmt. positions in the big three. Maybe we should go hunting for the guys that screwed all us investors and taxpayers out of billions of dollars who seem to be free roaming the countryside.It's gotta end sometime or those Mel Gibson movies won't seem so far fetched after all?

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WhatwhatWHAT? I stopped buying GM products for a REASON. I don't expect to keep giving them money against my will. :mad: Only ever owned one GM myself, a '97 Chevy dually 454, which I hated. My wife used to have an '05 Cobalt, which she had nothing but problems with. Folks who have had good luck with GM products and wish to support them - that's great -- but don't force me to subsidize a company that *I* don't want to buy products from anymore. (Then again, I don't want to subsidize Chrysler with *more* of my money either, because I've already *bought* their products and shouldn't have to pay more!)

Happy owner of an '04 Ram 1500 4.7L and an '08 Charger 3.5L.

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So, So right. Let's see. The companies go over seas to produce, get away from payroll taxes and regulations, cheap labor, (sometimes sweat shop labor) give exec's bonuses for doing it, that no one in their biggest dream is worth and then they have the balls to ask for tax payer help. Don't get me wrong. I'm a strong supporter of union labor. Been a union member for over 40 yrs. The union didn't decide to "out source" jobs.
I've said for years that the politicians will one day wake up and realize they don't get tax money when the jobs go over seas. DUH!
I don't have the answer but it's getting scary.

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It's all ready scary!!

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The big three have not built a single car in over 20 years that has been totally 100% American.
Components from all over the world are used in their construction. I believe there is only one manufacturer in the world that builds their car totally within their country. Who is it?
Everything around us has been out sourced in some way. Take a look at all the things around you, the coffe maker, the refridgerator, stove, light switches, wiring, glass, etc, where was it built or imported from? Overseas. We live in a global economy and have been living it for a long time. The old saying "it's just business" is ever so true. Companies are always looking to save money and line their pockets, they do not care where they do it, it is just business. (greed) The big three are no different. The ones who suffer are the ones who are employed by these business people. Did you not know something was wrong when GM offered employee discounts on vehicles to the general public, what a slap in the face for the GM worker.
The USA is the strongest country on this planet. When it has financial difficulties, so does the rest of the world. Why, because we are the largest user of the rest of the worlds products.
I have owned Fords, Chrysler, and GM products. They each have their advantages as well as disadvantages. Out of all of them a Dodge Dart with a 318 was the best long lasting car. That is until I got my wife a brand new Hyundai. $9,000 and a ten year 100,000 mile warranty. Hey BIG 3 where are your warranties and pricing at. Hyundai has their own steel mills, shipping ports, and ships. Shouldn't someone take note of this alignment in production and delivery. It is not the country where things are made, it is the people who run the company that is the problem.
Now what really blows me away is how a company like Chrysler can get bailed out repeatedly. Does'nt anybody see what the hell is going on. I bet every small business in the country would like to recieve some of this money if things were a little tough. And here is our wonderful government giving bailout money to companies who are doing more damage than good with the funding.
It seems that the higher you go up in a company or government the more corrupt it is. There is your answer. Time to clean up the Senate and Congress.
And for all you out there that refuse to buy anything other than American, it is time to start removing alot of things in your house as they were made elsewhere. I love my country, and have fought for it, but I do not trust the government or any other countries government.

Ron Ortiz

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Products aren't sold unless they are bought! Who buys the foriegn stuff...? Go look in the mirror.

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That's exactly right Bart, people like to bitch and yet they most likely have a import in there immediate family. If you don't buy from the big three how will they survive. I know there is alot of BS that goes on in these companies, and i'm sure there is at the import companies as well,but the bottom line is if you don't buy the import throw away cars and buy american they might make it! Just my opinion. Proud owner of 2001 Dodge Ram Cummins, 2009 Challenger R/T 6-speed, & 1968 Dodge Dart

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if we intend to help this country it's time to start bringing all the work back inside our borders. this outsourcing of every thing is killing us. it's time to realize that all of us can't or won't be able to live in the big house on the hill. a little of some pay is better than no pay at all.

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I'm surprised that GM would stop making Cobalt and HHR SS's. Seems like there would still be a market for these with the turbocharged Ecotec LNF engine. Seems like you could still get 30+ mpg on the freeway if you drove like a sane person and still have 260+ HP on tap for when the opportunity to have a little fun allowed. Like they said, they still need to build interesting vehicles!!???

Funny, the guy who was so down on GM, his car number is 666? Spawn of the devil maybe? :P LOL

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Michael your dead on, I'm a GM guy and have been for year's.
The UAW has been a joke for year's.
When things were good they held a gun to Corp. GM and GM had to buy into it.
Now things are bad and will the UAW work with GM? NO !
Why, Because they know the Democrat's will bail GM out again. with our $$$$
They need to file and get it over with, They can make it through this, but their cost's need to get in line with
the other auto maker's.
We need to turn the $$$$ off.

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Geez, Everyone just calm down we've now entered a new era of "change" as promised by the newly elected President. The plan here is to fix all that ails the U.S. with large amounts of $. Now everyone knows this fixes everything, you take money you don't have and give it to people that have proven they don't know how to keep their companies solvent, then you give LOT'S of money to banks and investment companies that are so good at their jobs that they've bankrupted themselves, and by the way aren't there alot of folks who bought too much home,cars,toys ect. that desperatly need our help so they don't get forclosed on? I was taught as a young man that you carry your own weight, you don't ask for anything and you live with the choices you make in your life...Good or Bad. Last week I heard Glen Beck on The Oriley factor make a statement that rang true basically you can only load so much on your citizens before you have civil discontent and Revolution. Now these are some pretty strong words however seems to me I recall way back in history class there was something similar that happened about 1776 for close to the same reasons. I for one find it unacceptable that my tax dollars are being used to prop up a bunch of Failures, that is the very essence of capitalism you can do many things with alot of possiblities, the rewards if you suceed are yours and the problems are yours if you fail. Sorry for the rant just gets my blood up each time I hear of these Govt. freebies. Joe

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Mr. Bugaj,

The UAW is working with the Big Three especially GM. I do agree with your post though. This is a tough spot. Don't turn your backs on fellow Americans in this critical financial mess. We can and will get through this mess together. Good times will return and this era will go down in history as a reminder of what not to do for our future generations.

Respectfully Submittted,

Steve Williams

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Ron Ortiz, I agree with you completely. I am a Ford guy, but that has never prevented me from buying whatever brand was fiscally feasible for me at the time of purchase. In the past, I have owned Mustangs, GM, and Chrysler products because they suited my requirements when I bought them. My current car is a 5 speed, loaded 2005 Hyundai which I purchased because of superior quality, a price tag under $17,000, and a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty. I have 57,000 miles on it and the only problem has been a burned out parking light bulb, which was replaced for free under warranty. Because of improved quality from Ford and Chevy, my 1st choice for my next car was a Cobalt SS because of price and mileage, and my second choice was a Mustang GT. I decide what brand to buy based on what is best for me, not what is best for any particular car company. Do any of you really think that any car company gives a s**t about you? Brand loyalty is fine, as long as it is tempered by common sense.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

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How long does a company have to operate in the red before it realizes they have to 1) charge more for their product 2) pay their management/employees less 3) sell more product (and not at a loss), and/or 4) operate more efficiently? How can they charge more or sell more product? Make a better product than the competitors.

While everyone in the auto industry is hurting, Ford has it's head above water so far. I didn't buy the cry about how many millions of jobs would be lost if the Big 3 (oh, wait, really just 2 of 3 anyway) went under, due to parts manufacturers, etc.... If there's a market for "x" number of cars to be on the road, regardless of the manufacturer, then there's a market for parts, repair places, etc. It was the same "Save us now or else!" scare tactics that they used to push through the BS bailouts last summer, the auto industry bailouts in Dec., and more recently the so-called Stimulus socialism bill. As soon as they started socializing losses and propping up businesses that should have failed, the markets were thrown into turmoil, and the "too big to fail" businesses realized that they didn't have to act responsibly, because big brother would bail them out.... hm... just as mortgage-holders are doing now... some of whom are being told, "We can't help you right now, but if you default on your payments for 3+ months, then we'll save you."

If your business was not financially viable then, isn't now, or doesn't look to be in the future, why should we prolong the agony? Let the business fail as it should. Does that mean there would cease to be automakers in the U.S.? No! Somebody with some business sense would pick up the pieces and start a new auto company. If there's a market for a product, people will make that product.

We grew up with very little, but very happy with what little we had, and we got into drag racing on a shoestring budget. "Seven bucks worth of sawblades is cheaper than making horsepower, son." ;) I've continued to play things close to the vest, maintained a great credit score, beenas financially responsible as I can and in just the last year or two, I've gotten out of debt and turned my business into a successful business. I'm finally realizing my dream, and NOW people who have made 2x, 3x or more as much money as me who have squandered their means want ME to pay for their indiscretions?! I don't think so, comrade. :mad:

We are rewarding bad behavior.

Rick Santelli nails it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA

Watch Glenn Beck, 5pm weekdays on Fox. You are not alone.

/rant

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Its not ALL the car companys fault. The $4 a gallon gas kinda exposed a flaw in the plan. It eliminated the middle class so that now theres basically the poor and the not poor(can't really say rich about alot of em). When the gas went up so did everything else, steel, food, energy costs, everything. And now that gas has gone back down nothing else has, in fact I went to the grocery store lastnight and my gatorade went from 1.08 to 1.16 since last week. Whats that almost an 8% increase? My cable bill just went up like 16%. Yet I will most likely be getting another paycut after not having any raises for 2 years already(to go along with the elimination of OT last june). The gas prices is what caused this rapid downward spiral the last 2 years. I don't know why no one will admit it! Nobody can see that? Anyways, go on and bash the big three but its really ALL car companies that are hurting right now. If the cost of cows doubled in 3 months not many people would be goin to The Outback anymore either!! To me you need to thank the oil men who were in office who did nothing to slow down their oil speculating buddies when they stuck it to the american people and ultimately the world.

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Micheal, I agree that the oil companies basically raped the american people, however I doubt this was the catalyst to all that has happened in the last few years. IMO it's all about greed and being fiscally irresponsable by the supposedly best and brightest business minds we have. Well hell I am willing to run any company in the ground for half of what they're paying these college wiz kids.Yopu know I've made my living in the auto industry for over 25 years now, I've seen several "down turns" over the years and yes things always seem to get better, I just think we need to lay the blame on the right people and hold them accountable for their actions. This applies to the auto industry, the real estate and banking and so on, if I do a bad job at work I'm certainly not going to expect to be rewarded for it. Joe

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If the American manufacturers want Americans to purchase their vehicles from them, then they need to take the first step and close their assembly plants in Canada, Mexico, and Australia. Just a few of the vehicles assembled by American companies in other countries:
PT Cruiser..Mexico
Pontiac GTO..Australia
Ford EDGE..Ontario, Canada
Buick Lacross.. Canada
Chevrolet Camaro..Canada
" Equinox "
" Impala "
" Silverado "
" Sierra "
GMC Terrain "
There are many more examples from all of the BIG 3. If we are going to "bail" them out, then they need to spend our money in America.

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Michael Lyons-You get it.
Michael Beard-You obviously don't. If you think for a minute that GM going under won't effect your life then you have not looked at all the facts. Maybe only in the smallest of ways but it will have an effect. Glenn Beck won't tell you the whole story but he will tell a story none the less. I guess if you are not a GM guy then we should have the opinion "Aw screw them guys-they did it to themselves". Does anybody realize the impact that the Mortgage, loan and banking industry has on the economy? 700 billion and 150 billion for a total of 850 billion and it was given to these people without question. The automakers on the other hand got bent over the rail and fornicated without grease for asking for what essentially is 34 billion. Staggering numbers for sure. But where is the complaining about the mortgage, loan and banking people? I am not hearing how our lives are better because of their failure. Think about 300,000 plus people in the United States having to file for unemployment at the same time. What a financial drain. Are you going to feed a hot meal to a person or give them shelter for a night in your home when we hit rock bottom (thats what people did for other people in the Great Depression). I think that the answer is NO. That is what kind of country we have become it appears. I am pretty vocal about this issue as I live in the heart of the Big Three and have educated myself about this issue. Mr. Beard-the money for the Big Three is not a bailout like the banking industry. It is a bridge loan. Check it out. The info is on the internet.

Respectfully Submitted,

Steve Williams