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First thing is I want to thank Kenny Mile and the Class racer Forum for giving Alex Denysenko and my self the oppertunity to use this forum to start this project. The association does not yet have its permanet name but as soon as its decided on we will have a web site up within approx. 2 to 3 days and we will start to post info under the new part if this forum for Racing associations. We have a few title sponsors on line already and we will make this a real member association and anouncements on these sponsors at a later post.. We are planning to have Super Stock, Stock, A modified/comp. style eliminator similar to the old modified classes if possable, a quick 32 Super Stock and a quick 32 Stock with a CIC as NHRA,s comp. Also included is TOP Stock, and Jr. Stock heads up as per current rules. Part of the show will include the NSS cars also known as Nostalgia Super Stock from the NMCA races. There will be NO .90 classes so to allow time for qualifying and time trials without sitting at your trailers all day. If you run Top Stock and Jr. Stock you will be allowed to run in the regular stock eliminator as these cars will have thier own index without having to change wt. or the minor changes allowed fot these heads up catagories as long as the extra enty fee is paid. We are looking at a well known track (We hope.....Large and 1st class) at the moment but rest assured we will be on the west coast, South, North, and mid West for 2011 with a 4 to 6 race series. Thats about all I have right now and will let you know more as things come together. Right now we are possably leaning toward calling the association the "UNITED CLASS RACERS ASSOCIATION" that Myron Piatek suggested but that is not set in stone yet. Any comments good or bad will be taken under discussion. Remember this is all just coming together and all is not set in stone yet. By the way..... some TV rights are being looked at also so at last the sportsman racer will recieve some exposure that they deserve.. Terry Bell

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Sounds great!

Stocker's etc. need to get out from under the racing associations and come into their own. I got tired of paying my dues and entry fee's to support the pro's and so did others, that's how NSS got so big. Now we are the top draw and make a little but more important we have fun!

Wish you guys a lot of success.

Tree

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Terry,

Your timing with this article is great.....

http://www.competitionplus.com/index...=9336&Itemid=6

Good luck, and when my car is ready, I will be there.

Steve

PS, I will probably be there spectating anyway.

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Terry:

Looks like we were on the same page,huh?

S.E.

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Terry:

P.S. Call me and I will tell you the manufacturer I talked to.

501-767-4777 in case you lost it.

S.E.

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I applaud this effort and hope like hell that it's successful! The Stock and Super Stock racers have put up with too much abuse for far too long from the "HRA's," and it's time for a change. I firmly believe that.
At this point, I have only one suggestion. I'm not sure you need the "United" in the name of this new organization. "CLASS RACERS' ASSOCIATION" says it all; it's obvious that if you're putting on races as an organzation, you're "united." No need to point it out.... Plus, it was "born" on the Class Racers' Bulletin Board.


Less is more, when it comes to acronyms, and "CRA" is more succinct, and wastes no letters. Besides, it sets it apart from the "NHRA," "IHRA," both of which use 4 letters.

Long live the CRA! I hope it's as successful and long-lived as the NRA and the SAE!

Just my 2-cents.... with apologies to my Mopar buddy, Myron.

Bill

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SE, check your PM....

Unk

BTW, great air @ the Houston test n tune this weekend (even with a 15-20 headwind) 1.054 under this morning....

Unk

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will this association be for door cars/altereds or will Comp rails be allowed???Comp 387

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Bill I couldn't agree with you more on shortening the title, but how about one letter better by leaving the "S" out of RACERS', and just calling it "CLASS RACER ASSOCIATION"?

Terry let me be the first from the west to say I love this ideal, and I wish 2011 were next year...if not this coming summer! I sure would work on bringing my Cavalier to any race I could read about (especially within 500 miles of Phoenix). Keep us posted!!!

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Any existing comp class car will be allowed plus we hope to encourage the older full bodied modified type cars (Modified production, etc.) to come back out or be constructed new.

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Also make SS & Stock all run no matter how many cars show up and we would run them on a ladder from the start.

Modified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm in heaven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they use to run off of the records. Neat

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Gary Hampton...

I like your idea. No need to make it possessive... (racers')

It would still be still "CRA," if that name were chosen.
Maybe they could post a poll on the new name and have several choices.... that'd work!

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As you should remember from the CLASS NATIONALS....thats the plan....... all run.....if you pay your money you get to race. Top Stock and Jr. Stock fields included.

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This is gerat news!!! Thank you for all of your efforts and hard work; and keeping real sportsman's drag racing alive. This is something I look to support.

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X-tech man---thank you for the reply--- we have several options will look into ---excellent idea keep us informed--- a little premature but any idea where the midwest tracks might be ???? comp 387

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I like it! What I really like is you are proposing locations nationally. Typically I see the "spin-off" organizations like NMCA and the like focused only on the mid-west and east from there; too regional to matter in my opinion.
Being away from racing for nearly 24 months has not bothered me in the least. The cars' getting major work done to it and I am making money this year. Last year put me in the poor house so it's make up time. But today I spoke to a friend that raced Stock this weekend at the D7 race in Chandler. They missed Q1 & Q2 Friday as he had to be at work. Q3 was Saturday @ 8:00 am. E1 was immediately thereafter. He won. So he sat around until Sunday @ 8:00 for E2. He lost. That kind of sitting around with no purpose just takes the fun out of going to the races!

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Not yet......Its still to early to know where we will try to be in 2011, We hope to be at the PRI show this coming December.

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I hope you get this under way before i retire from racing.sure would like to be #1 again like the last class nats!

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Still working on that idea and others. Ive only spoken to Jim Woods aka Tanker so far. Have to wait and see and other things are more pressing right now. I need to run all ideas past Alex before I make any comments on certain things. I believe he will make a post on this forum in the next week or two about all of this.

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I still believe that S & SS is a very valuable untapped resource. All that is needed is for someone to sell it. If you dont try to sell it, then it probably wont be sold.

I firmly believe that it is up to us to sell ourselves as the current sanctioning bodies have already informed us they arent interested in selling us. I was watching the "Sportsman" broadcast on ESPN2 and they showed all Alcohol cars, then listed the winners without even a picture of the other Sportsmen at the end. Why? when SS and S was voted the highest draw in NHRA's own pole?

Let us do it ourselves! No one else is going to do it, but us.

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Any thoughts of coming into Canada eh?

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Would IHRA S/SS cars be eligible or just NHRA?

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Both! :)
In fact, Terry Bell got the crate motor concept started in IHRA!

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We (US Class Nats) incorporated IHRA classes with NHRA, the classes that are the same in NHRA & IHRA was ran at NHRA weight breaks, and indexes and some of the lower classes in Stock that had major weight break combo's we put an "I" before the class, like IW/SA.

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Both....Just like the US CLASS NATIONALS.

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Myron !!!! Are you trying to get me shot by the NHRA die hards? LOL

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I havent compared the lower classes in a few years but I think IHRA made thier wt breaks to match NHRA??? The FI cars and carburated cars will be just as NHRA runs thiers in this deal. As Ive said before there are way to many classes.

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first off i would like to say thank you for this venture,its the most wonderful thing to happen to sportsman racing in a long time.also i'm in heaven also because i grew up with modified and love the idea.i can't wait for a race in the midwest i will be there as a spectator if the car is not done by then.i would also like to ask a question,on inside comp racing website they have all talked about a nostalgia class for compand thought that this falls right into what you are talking about with the modified/comp theme you are bringing,could it be a possibilty to do something along the lines of doing this and keeping it to a 23 degree head class to help keep the cost down and as a beginner type class for this venture and also bring in some new blood so to speak.i,m sorry in advance to bother you with such minor details,i know you have your plate full i was just thinking outloud. thank you for all you are trying to do to preserve the great sport of sportsman drag racing. scotty d .

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Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson
Also make SS & Stock all run no matter how many cars show up and we would run them on a ladder from the start.

Modified !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm in heaven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they use to run off of the records. Neat

OK, since I've not raced in a couple decades. I missed the above event. So, will this be a qualifier event, run on a ladder? Or will we have class runoffs? Then like the national events I remember, usually class winner and maybe top qualifiers, if they lost in class, got into the finals?

The ladder idea will allow everyone a chance at going at least a round or two, even guys like myself that will have fairly new cars. If class runoffs are the plan, hey, bring'em on, I may be fodder but it'll still be a gas, just to be there. I'll use it as a gage to measure where I need to be in the future. Plus, it'll let me get to know my competition, up close and personal.

Robert Swartz

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what rules do we go to in case of mulitple rules ?
like pistons, slick size etc ?

thats the only big issue i see

also...
maybe manufacturers could be allowed to pay contingency with credit ...
ie $50 cash or $100 credit for you to use ???

captain jack...and caddy's have to run with A/C on right ???

i wanna hold the 1st u/sa CRA record

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X-Tech-Man & Alex, This is got to happen ! As i hope that i live long enough to play along as i did at the class Nationals You guys are doing just GREAT!!!!!!!!! John Lang

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[QUOTE=Jack McCarthy;108469]what rules do we go to in case of mulitple rules ?
like pistons, slick size etc ?

thats the only big issue i see

Hummmm, you guys tell me what you want. I personally always thought the NHRA piston rule was BS. I like IHRA' s or the way the old stockers from the late '60's and early 70's had thier piston rule. It wasnt any more expensive to buy these pistons and a hell of lot eaiser to police. Id say use 9"inch tires on the stockers but 10 inch tires last longer but are slower and dont fit some wheel wells as easily. As far as Im concerened its open for discussion. Maybe Alex will say different?? Its going to be YOUR association. I guess this is a good time to state your likes and dislikes about both NHRA and IHRA rules. At first the rules should be close to both associations but the lack of inspections in IHRA and the lack of interest from NHRA is something that needs to be dealt with.

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Unk:

Call me at 501-767-4777.

I'm not sure how to use the PM deal.

S.E.

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There is a ground swell of people that want to bring back the old "junior stock" from the '70's. The days of high winding small blocks and tri-five chevy's but of course there is no place to race these cars,

Perhaps this would give them an opportunity.

Jim

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If I had my own series and I wanted something that would do well in a "Pinks" style TV show, I would use "regular" NHRA / IHRA class guides and combine 3 concurrent classes on a similar weight break like Top Stock. Sticks & auto's heads up racing just like you would find in the streets.
So all the ABC cars would compete heads up, the DEF cars, GHI cars, etc. I think it would be great racing, great spectator appeal and great on camera. Applies to Stock & Superstock. No Top Stock rules would apply to the regular classes.
Weight breaks might be an issue on 1/2# vs. 1# but if you can't get around an issue like that don't race.

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IHRA has allowed the older cars for years. The pure stock class is just like the old Jr. stockers and yes we plan on having a place for them in the class racers association but be prepared for tear down inspections if you run one of them.

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i like the old pure stock no headers no slicks etc

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Keep the tire rule at 9" ! Use the NHRA & IHRA classes alike for stk and ss, my suggestion! John....

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The fly in the ointment here. Two points, IHRA allows (1) 10.5 tires and (2), they also allow the springs to be moved inboard for tire clearence. NHRA doesn't allow this. My contention, why not allow a maximum of a 10.5 tire, those that have NHRA legal cars, if they can fit them under the fenderwells, can run them.

The view I'm taking, you're cross polinating here, so some cars have already been built under one rule structure. Some might take it that using the IHRA rules makes it more liberal. The 9 inch tire really won't bother me, that's been my plan from the beginning. As I've stated, I'm building a crate motor car. I do want to keep it within the confines of NHRA rules, in case I decide one day to build a 301 Pontiac or 403 Oldsmobile motor.

To me that's another issue, what about those of us that populate these classes, crate motor and GT. Since I can't run NHRA events with this car as a crate motor or GT stocker. My option to use the rules that are allowed, give me a little more leeway than the guy running a car that competes in NHRA. If I chose to take advantage of them.

Robert Swartz

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I couldn't agree more. If you want fat tires, narrowed rearends and moved in frame rails theres Super stock. It ain't stock. Course you could still run stocker tires but it could be a handfull with the narrow track. Sort of like driving with one of those inflateaspares on.