Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout?
 

Is it possible to have a breakout in a headsup stock elim round as in Rd 4 Phoenix, B.Burton Vs, S. Wann, both being E/SA cars! Burton won w/ .050 lite,10.828-105.83, to Wanns.036 lite,10.905-115.28, and they said Wann broke out! Misprint? Or am i missing something!! Senior moment!

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Can't breakout in heads up.......you can break though! Looks like Burton got off it at the end., Wann must has spun, missed shift, etc.

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Who are "they"? There wasn't any comment on that pair in the report on DRC.

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Larry, I think John is referring to this week's Nat'l Dragster. In the fourth round run from the AZ nat's, it has Wann losing his E/SA run to Burton by breakout, the two ** next to Wann's ET.

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** That does mean breakout doesn't it? I can understand as was stated wheelspin,etc, but to be marked breakout has to be a misprint...........Thanks Later................. John

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It's an error and one I need to correct - we (FastNews Network) supply the "agate" results for Dragster. Our software does just what the stupid programmer (me) tells it to do. Nobody's ever mentioned that error before. Fortunately, I have this weekend off and I'll get it fixed, but probably not in time to prevent a similar mistake this weekend in Gainesville.

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National Dragster always lists the loser of a heads up race in class elims as "breaking out". The only reason that I can figure as to why they do this is because, assuming no breakage or missed shift, the loser is always under the index. It confused me at first until I noticed a pattern with every heads up race. Just like the NHRA to add confusion to a simple issue.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct

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Larry you posted as I was composing mine; thanks for the update.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct

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It was an easy fix - I wish someone had mentioned it years ago (it's been that way for a long time).

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Larry,

I've seen it so many times before, I just figured there wasn't a way to fix it.......You guys were smarter than that.... or at least I thought so....

:-)

Unk

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You are right,it has been that way for a long time.I guess nobody ever pointed it out because it was assumed to be a typo.If the winner of a heads up race was the person that broke out the least,I would have won several of those over the years.
Great job,once again, on covering the eliminations in the early rounds on Drag Race Central.I sure wish that National Dragster could put the results of the first and second rounds in the Sportsman results issue.After all,after 2 rounds,75% of everyone will have lost.

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Lolyd Mackay was driving my other car at Phoenix (incidently for sale, that's the car, not Lolyd!) and he had a round with the eventual race winner Brad Burton (congrats again "punk!" 2 stinking thou!), they both dialed 10.88 and the Nat. Drag. called it a heads up race!
Larry, is this part of the same problem?

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Nope - the heads-up rules only apply when the cars are the same class - I just forgot to have the software check the classes when flagging the breakouts.

The ND article may have referred to the start as "heads-up," but the breakout rules would still apply in that situation and even my flawed software would have produced the correct answer in that case.

The changes I just made will still flag the result as a breakout if the loser runs under his dial-in, even if both drivers have the same dial-in, as long as they are in different classes.

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JUST FOR THE RECORD (I want to make sure ~I~ have this straight!)

A/SA car dials 10.50
B/SA car also dials 10.50

Identical reaction time, not that it matters (it doesn't)

A/SA car runs 10.4999 breaking out while
B/SA car runs 10.5001 winning the race, because he didn't break out

Is that correct, and if it IS, shouldn't it be pointed out that, although the two cars are leaving the starting line at the exact same time, it's NOT REALLY a "heads-up race" because it's a possible breakout situation??? (Traditionally, in a "heads-up" race, the first car to the finish line ALWAYS wins, barring other infractions.)

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Bill,
you got it right !

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Bill - you are correct - it's a "heads-up start" (both get the green at the same time) but not a "heads-up race" (breakout rules still apply). Otherwise, the quicker car would just match the slower car's dial and win every time.

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Maybe I should have given it more thought, before i posted the original question,because i was confused!Anyways, thanks for the corretions, now i know!........Later......John !

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Thanks for the good info, guys.

Is it just me (old age), or is this stuff more complicated than it was back when we used flagmen to start races???? LOL!!!

Bill

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I could have taken my time - all the heads-up races in the Gainesville ND Stock results were decided on red lights and there weren't any in SS. Oh, well, it's fixed.

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Larry,
Also thanks for correcting the COMP results and those double break out wins!