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71plymouth 03-18-2009 06:03 PM

71 plymouth scamp build
 
i want to build a stock eliminator car out of my 71 plymouth scamp and would like a little help with what combination would be best. im thinking of going with the "crate motor" class because the 71 scamp came with a 318 and a 2 barrel carb. are there any tricks and tips on how to make one of these cars fast? thanks for your help!

Mark Yacavone 03-18-2009 06:37 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 71plymouth (Post 110604)
i want to build a stock eliminator car out of my 71 plymouth scamp and would like a little help with what combination would be best. im thinking of going with the "crate motor" class because the 71 scamp came with a 318 and a 2 barrel carb. are there any tricks and tips on how to make one of these cars fast? thanks for your help!

Isn't that the car the same as a Duster?
You could run a 340 ,4bbl, but get ready to spend some money on it.
Actually, the 318 2bbl isn't too bad at the current rating, but not in P/SA .Maybe in a heavier car

Robert Swartz 03-18-2009 06:39 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
You can do a little research on your own here. First, go to the IHRA website, do a search for their technical information. Find out what Chrysler crate motors are available. Get the horsepower ratings. Next go to the NHRA website and look up the "stock" car classification guide. IHRA doesn't publish theirs online. You can use this to find out the weight of your car. You can take that weight, divide it by the different HP factors of your desired crate engine(s). This will tell you where your car falls class wise. If you don't have a rulebook, PM me with some of the information and I would be glad to assist you in figuring a little of this out.

You can use some of this to compare your combination to the class index(s). Then look for cars running that class and see if your combination is capable of running in those classes.

I'm in the process of attempting to start a crate stocker myself.

Robert Swartz

71plymouth 03-18-2009 06:54 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
the 340 wasn't offered in the scamp only the duster. and i will look up the ihra and nhra websites and ill het back to ya! thanks for the help!

George Mirza 03-18-2009 07:22 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Yup, no 340's in a Scamp. One option is to hang a 70 Dart nose on it then you can run it as a 70 Swinger 340 with the 299hp AVS. The Crate motor is a great way to go if you are in a good location to run IHRA events, and it would be much cheaper to build a crate motor car. Good 340 parts are getting harder and harder to find and big $$$$. Biggest problem with that body style is getting a tire under them, but they make a great race car! I had a 71 Dart GT bracket car that was set up like a stocker, worked great, won a lot of rounds with that car.

Good Luck!!!

71plymouth 03-18-2009 07:29 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
i live in northern florida. which would be the best to run? IHRA or NHRA? at the gator nats last week i saw a couple of CM cars running.

Bill Harris 03-18-2009 08:56 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
If you saw "a couple of CM cars running" at the Gators you were drinking too much beer. There are no crate motor cars in NHRA. Not sure what it is that you think you saw, but if they were stockers, they weren't running crate motors, they had to be running engines that originally came in the car.

There is some IHRA activity in Florida, but you would be better off building a non-crate motor stocker so that you can run both NHRA and IHRA events. Crate motor combos are limited to IHRA (so far). Most of the IHRA events are 1/8th mile too. Some guys are OK with that but a lot hate it (me included).

dartman 03-18-2009 09:07 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Go buy a car that is race ready, it's a lot cheaper.

Mark Yacavone 03-18-2009 09:27 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 71plymouth (Post 110616)
the 340 wasn't offered in the scamp only the duster. and i will look up the ihra and nhra websites and ill het back to ya! thanks for the help!


I'm not too big on the foreign cars (LOL), but it still is the same body as Duster ,right?

dartman 03-18-2009 09:35 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 110645)
I'm not too big on the foreign cars (LOL), but it still is the same body as Duster ,right?

No it's more like a dart with a duster front clip

Mark Yacavone 03-18-2009 09:40 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dartman (Post 110647)
No it's more like a dart with a duster front clip

Oh ,okay. I just visualized the decal emblem.
Then make a Dart out of it, as someone said.

Dave Turner 03-18-2009 09:43 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 110645)
I'm not too big on the foreign cars (LOL), but it still is the same body as Duster ,right?

Visually, more like the Dart than the Duster; both "A" body family members though.

Philip Saran 03-18-2009 11:13 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
One other problem you are going to run into is finding some of the
parts needed. You are going to be fighting with the restoration guys
for things like good AVS cores, heads, intakes, blocks. So if this is
the route you wish to take, start shopping EBay and www.moparts.com
and any mopar specific swap meets you can attend. The couple of
big one's at at Carlial (sp?) PA and the Nationals in Columbus which
is in August. Plus anyplace else you can come up with.

When the guys on here say buy a complete car they know what they
are talking about.

My project Duster was a "sort of" running car, but had been sitting
for many years, so when I got it the starting list was brakes/rotors/gas
tank/roll bar/driveshaft loop and all other safety equipment plus guages.
My $4K project is now over $10K and I am getting close to have it up
and running. Minus a fresh paint job of course.

So when you see stockers in the $15K to $25K range believe the guy
when he says he has more into it that the asking price.

Anyway good luck with your project.

Sean Haning 03-19-2009 07:38 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Also theres a sforum, forabodiesonly.com . Where in North Florida are you? I'm in Jacksonville and have a 67 Valiant.:cool:

larrylomascolo 03-19-2009 09:07 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 71plymouth (Post 110625)
i live in northern florida. which would be the best to run? IHRA or NHRA? at the gator nats last week i saw a couple of CM cars running.

they had to be ss/cm cars you saw.

71plymouth 03-20-2009 05:29 AM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
you might be right! if i built an ihra "crate motor" car what class in the nhra could i run?

Sean Haning 03-20-2009 05:36 AM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 71plymouth (Post 110799)
you might be right! if i built an ihra "crate motor" car what class in the nhra could i run?

It would probably have to be a SS GT car.

dartman 03-20-2009 07:59 AM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 71plymouth (Post 110799)
you might be right! if i built an ihra "crate motor" car what class in the nhra could i run?

none in stock

Myron Piatek 03-20-2009 10:29 AM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Probably in the F, G, H, I range in IHRA, depending on the HP rating. It is a faily light car.

It wouldn't work in SS/GT anywhere because small block crate motors are allowed a 750 Holley with choke tower & plate.

Sean Haning 03-21-2009 07:33 AM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Myron Piatek (Post 110827)
Probably in the F, G, H, I range in IHRA, depending on the HP rating. It is a faily light car.

It wouldn't work in SS/GT anywhere because small block crate motors are allowed a 750 Holley with choke tower & plate.

And this guy knows whats up with a Mopar class car.:cool:

treessavoy 03-21-2009 10:38 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 71plymouth (Post 110625)
i live in northern florida. which would be the best to run? IHRA or NHRA? at the gator nats last week i saw a couple of CM cars running.


If you look at the IHRA major events you will see that they are all waaay up north, if you don't mind traveling then they are a good bet with a crate motor car.

CrateCamaro 03-22-2009 10:35 AM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Haning (Post 110800)
It would probably have to be a SS GT car.

Cratemotor is a stock class, how would it fit NHRA Superstock GT? Stock and superstock are on two different ends of the bookshelf. Ya they might seem the same in some cases but couldn't be any more different in the real world. Crate motors arn't even accepted in superstock and not just because they are allowed to run a 750 with a choke plate and tower. A Q-Jet has to have the choke plate and tower in superstock as well so really the carb has nothing to do with weather or not its allowed in superstock or not.

71plymouth 03-22-2009 03:41 PM

Re: 71 plymouth scamp build
 
i could run the ssssa races and some of the D2 ihra events.


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