Bob Shaw is a bad man
 

Third round of CIC race 2.120 under U index. What a run.

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Wow, What was he driving?

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Bob Shaw needs to buy a practice tree.

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Why do you say that Fred? Afterall,this weekend his average light between Class Elims and the CIC race is about a .460. I think just needs to try. Lane

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If he would have stayed with brunch like he did in the first round,he would have been fine.When he decided to have breakfast AND lunch,he ran into a problem.

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
5159 Robert Shaw 4517 Patrick Courts
E1 ****WINNER**** 0.235 13.549 75.43 0.052 12.197 107.17
U/SA Index: 15.15 (+/-): -1.601 N/SA Index: 13.30 (+/-): -1.103
Qualified: #99 No Time #99 No Time

Shaw's Cadillac can run way under the index, so far under that he could have brunch before leaving the line, and still win.

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This is another example of how F##KED up the AHFS system is and how slow it is to respond to someone who scanns the class guide to find a slug combo that the average stock racer wouldnt race if it was the last car in the world. There are more such combos in the guide and its really not a sign of a good racer. Just someone who uses the system. A system that needs to be changed.

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Was this the red Cad he had at Indy?

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Gee Terry, thanks for ripping on some of the people that many DO consider to be not only "good racers", but great ones. I had a lot more to write, but I'll let it go.

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Terry, there's nothing all that wrong with the AHFS. Its the unqualified personel assigning the horsepower numbers to those "Slug Combos" that are "F##ed Up"! There's nothing wrong with using the guide to you're own benefit! At least the car is in the guide in black and white and really does exist as a combo! It seems to me that Bob is reading the black print on the white pages of the rule book and the classification guide the way that it was meant to be used! Terry, show me any gray areas here!

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I knew you guys would take it wrong......Im just pointing out the inequties of the current system. The combo should have been refactored a long time ago. No one cares at NHRA anymore. As far as Mr. Shaw is concerend he has found these combos for years and it dosent make you a better racer, car builder, engine builder, driver, or what ever to look thru the guide to pick a combo that should be running 3 or 4 classes higher than it currently is running. Its not his fault....hes just playing the game as it currently exists and it proves NOTHING except the combo needs HP and a lot of it..

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There is a flaw in the AHFS. When the AHFS was originally written there was no provision put in place to rapidly correct horsepowers that are way out of line. This does not mean there needs to be a way to change horsepower when someone "thinks" it is out of line without actual on track performance data. However once someone blatantly exploits the system, there should be a way to refactor horsepower by committee. Two times of 1.40 or more under the index should allow the committee to set horsepower where they deem it necessary.

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Come on Terry, This is nothing new, Ralph Truppi made a living back in the day by picking combos out of the guide book. When you went to him out came the book and you would know up front if the combo would cut it. Just make sense to look before you leap !

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I think what it proves is there are ways to compete in NHRA, without a big fat wallet. Bob's car might just be the most legal Stocker at Belle Rose.
I think it also proves that you still have to know how to bracket race to win anything meaningful.
There is a system in place to deal with runaway combos. Bob ran up against it this weekend.

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amen !

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Bob Shaw is a SMART man !!!
I can't wait to see what combo he puts together next !!!

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Yes he is.....I never said he was not but how do you think Ron Ortiz and Jack McCarthy not to mention others like Clayton Wright in his 65 Plymouth wagon and others feel when staging against him with thier wagons? Probably kind of how Bruce Noland will feel staged against the blown Ford Mustangs. Its the SYSTEM !

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Interesting post from a X-TECH MAN. If you consider Mr. Shaw's stocker a slug, when is class car not a slug? When a stocker runs 9 seconds? 10 seconds? 11 seconds? What is the average racer? What is the sign of a good racer from a X-TECH MAN's point of view?

Just wondering.

pS

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I think Bob should be made to run with the A/C on.And maybe run with Dave Ley,Russ Warnes,Jeff
Teuton and any other FFF of his choice.
Since the CIC race isn't included in the data base the factor will not change,as long as Bob wants to
hide it.
Congratulations on your "Excellent Adventure".

Ed

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I think Bob should be made to run with the A/C on.And maybe run with Dave Ley,Russ Warnes,Jeff
Teuton and any other FFF of his choice.
Since the CIC race isn't included in the data base the factor will not change,as long as Bob wants to
hide it.
Congratulations on your "Excellent Adventure".

Ed

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All the above mentioned have the option to run T/SA. AHFS is a computer generated program that takes the human element out of the equation. Much better than getting horsepower in the staging lanes like sometimes happen in "the good old days"

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Thanks alot.............................................. .................................................. ...........

Ed F.

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Since you all like the AHFS so much and the weak HP combos (what I mean by "SLUGs") lets hope (you not me) that the next combo that he or anyone else comes up with dosent fall into your class (whatever it is) after you have worked for a long time on your car and spent just about everything you could afford and the true potential dosent show up in this new combo until your at INDY or some other big event for class or a heads up run for all the glory and bucks.

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Ed Fernandez -- Exactly what is a "FFF" that Bob Shaw has his choice of that you refer to ? ? ? Not being the Internet junkie that you are some of these letters are foreign to me .And besides me, Dave Ley , Russ Warnes and Joe Teuton might want to know .................

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The chances of Ed and Bob Shaw running each other heads up are well like winning the lotto.

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Jack Matyas, I believe he may be in reference to full figured (large) people , as myself and some of the aformentioned!................... Later.......... John

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I was going to sit on it for a while but I'll fess up.It means Full Figured Fellow.Welcome to the 21st century Jack.
Tony,I know I'll never have to run Bob.NJ is a long ways from Mo. to me.It would be nice to meet him and see the "slug" Terror in person.

Ed

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Ed -- You must have learned that on the 'net as they don't speak that way in New Jersey...............


PS -- Good luck on racin' that Caddy............BTW, when he gets HP, and he will sooner or later, does that make his car a T/SA ?

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That's the nice thing about NHRA, they have All the info online and free so you can determine what class you should race and what competition you may have. All laid out in the open. Some people insist on racing something they are apparently in love with so nothing will change what they race. Others, like Bob Shaw, are smart and have no allegiance to any make or model. And I don't know Bob but I suspect his thrill in racing is the hunt for the obscure.
Hip-hip-horay! for Bob Shaw! (and to all those that feel the need to try and knock him down a notch....waaaawaaaawaaa!

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I agree Jeff. The car has been in the rulebook for years. Anyone could have built one, What about Ray Golonka's Caddy It ran pretty fast also.

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My sentiments exactly. Atleast one of the afore mentioned racers has had one bad combo for atleast 15 years. Meanwhile ,Bob has built 6 or 7 good cars in the same ET range.
What we DON'T want is affirmative action drag racing.

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I haven't seen that car cross the scales but I was told that, when the horsepower adjustment comes along next week, the car will then be only about 120 overweight for U/SA instead of 180 pounds over the way it was this weekend.

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Bob paid his dues back when he raced a Corvair.He has earned the right to race a easy combination.I think he won a National with that Corvair also.

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Why will he get hit if the CIC race doesn't count towards the AHFS?
Uh Jack the FFF originated in NJ on classracer a few years ago.Archive it.It's still on here I think.Now Pa is a totally different story.

Ed

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Ed,

I may have misinterpreted the status of the Sportsnationals but I was viewing it in the same way as a typical National Event. If I'm right, he should be receiving a visit from the horsepower fairy on the basis of his qualifying time for the regular Stock Eliminator program:
__________________________________________________ _____________
BELLE ROSE, La. - Final order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA, Sixth annual JEG'S.com Cajun SPORTSnationals:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 5159 U/SA Robert Shaw, Sedalia MO, '77 Seville 13.664 15.15 -1.486
__________________________________________________ ______________

I'm sure that he would be just as content to be left alone. Guess we should know for sure in a day or so.

c

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And all the fuss last month was about a NEW mustang factor problem. Looks like there is a new combo to draw attention now. At least the Mustang is NEW and can have a positive impact on the image of Stock racing and factory involvement and spectator appeal. I bet the jealosy will not be so large in the complaints about this car.

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Amen Dick -- I don't think because Bob Shaw went two seconds under anyone is going to run out and buy a new Caddy and help save General Motors . As for the jealosy factor -- well, lets just say most of us would like to have one of those new CobraJets.............Yes - even me -- a GM guy ! ! !

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Jack, Even I would like one of the new Mustangs> and I am also a GM racer. The idea of getting back in on the ground floor of what can be the restart of Stk and SS popularity with fans etc would be outstanding to me. I just wish a Camaro were going to make it. The dodge will make it neat also.

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congrats to bob shaw, winner of U/SA in belle rose
i got close enough to get him some horsepower... it was a moral victory @ -1.15 :)

ill post the incrementals on our class run later, it was AMAZING

jack mccarthy

i try not to whine, but man will that caddy fly !!... and pat joffrion i told ya so !

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Jack,

Weren't you running in T/SA a lot last year?
Knowing he was going to be there and being that fast in U/SA,why didn't you run another class?

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And, Cap'n Jack, did you get the 3-speed in and if you DID, what's the verdict??