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the new 'Race Chrysler' specs ....WOW looks like NHRA has struck a deal

EDIT: yes the new NHRA specs are in the book, 275, 305, 385 HP ......

and I did some rough figuring, I think that will make for something like 16 or so auto/stick classes in Stock and unlimited number of classes in SS if you can get the motor low enough so that tunnel ram will clear the hood....

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Nothing like a post we dont understand.

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Ha Ha...WOW!...What a joke That 360 CI should be rated at 375 hp, not 275 hp. It has to be a mistake.:eek:

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I think what he is trying to say is the Challenger is in the guide, along with the engine blueprint specs for the 3 engines. looks the the mopar racers have got some great combos.

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The Challenger is not in the NHRA Class Guide as of now. So all this horsepower stuff is pure speculation.

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I think you should take a second look........then speculate

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They are there....I just made copies and all I can say is........LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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So much for anything else from B/S thru H/SA.

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I stand corrected, they put it under Chrysler rather than Dodge

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with the new Cobra jets and now the new Chrysler motor, most likely anything from AA thru H is in for a workout.......

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Hey Bob Shaw,,,,,, that U/SA Caddy for sale????????????

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Out with the old and in with the new. nhra should be very proud of themselves - talking about a coup! The end results should be very interesting.

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what a bunch of crap i have a brand new rt 2009 challenger 6 spd and the production engine in the car is not legal for nhra stock eliminator racing but a custom built big cam engine is? my car from the factory is rated at 390 hp and the comprable engine that nhra allows the car to run is only 305 hp talk about having some in the bank! and i though i did good when nhra reduced my hp on the 62 maxwedge to 395 , guess i will have to build a new challenger to go racing with.

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Hey JIMI, I own a 09 6-speed car also and the horsepower is actually 376@5150, the auto is 372@5200. Shawn

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Those cars are going to be WAY fast. All three combos. That 6.1L will give the Mustangs all they can handle until someone decides to take the superchargers apart...

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Maybe its time for A/FX, B/FX, and C/FX all over again.........At least until the UN-known becomes known ??????????

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Terry if the racers are smart, which they usually arent, we will not know the "known" for a long time. That combo will be inline before to long. To many EGO's out there for it not to be.

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I'm with Unk, too bad they don't have a stick option.

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Sounds like the LS1 chebbys a few years ago. What comes around goes around. Alls fair when factory support is availible.

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whats the price tag on one of these cars in A/SA-C/SA form and how long is the wait?


Thanks

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Kind of reminds me of back (1972?) when all pre 1960 cars were outlawed from stock elim.

Just another way of clearing out the old and bringing in the new except this time just obsoleting the old rather than just banning them.

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What they did back then was put the older car in Superstock. Back then the only differences were cam and valve springs, intake manifold, slicks (but no tubs) So it wasn't a big expense to convert.

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With the 116" wheelbase (What was Dodge thinking?) and no weight out back (rear overhang), I think the car is going to be touchy in AA/SA on marginal tracks with the automatic anyway, probably worse if the man pedal was available.

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This whole deal with the Challengers and the new Mustangs is a joke. Why would NHRA not factor these cars appropriately? Why would they allow purpose built race cars in stock? Always before to run stock the car had to be available to the public and be streetable. I understand some of these older cars like the L88 corvette or Max wedge cars were rare but they still could be bought from a dealer and liscensed for the street. These cars if anyone has the money to build them will make our older cars obsolete. It's a slap in the face to all of us who have worked our asses off and spent tons of money developing our combination only to see them made irrelevant by people who are destroying our sport as we know it. Why don't Chrysler and Ford have to race cars that are available to the public and are streetable? Who actually benefits from allowing these bogus cars in stock? I always heard when investigating something like this that you need to follow the money. Where is the money? If anyone thinks this is going to increase participation in stock they are a fool.

Greg

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Greg,
These new cars have a negative affect on more than 1,000 Stock and Super Stock racers.

It would have been very simple to put these cars in injected classes but there is clearly more going on here than meets the eye. A couple of days ago, one of the new car supporters sent me an email that said all of us old guys should move on. The new cars are here to stay and we should just take our lumps. And let them have their way.

You know, after a good nights rest, I decided this rather arrogant piece of advice to be dead-on. I'm getting the hell out of this hell hole and moving on to a flat head Ford Land Speed Car - something I have always wanted to do. But I can tell you that it will be scorched earth after my vette is gone. I think the AA through H racers should boycott these injected phony ponies and Mopars. Racers should pull into the staging lanes for class and then return to the pits when nhra calls his/her class. nhra should receive a dose of the same public humiliation that they are trying to inflct on the racers.

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Now maybe some can see why street rodding and many other venues are so popular. NHRA just dosent give a S##T about the little guy sportsman other than his money.

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Bruce,
You've got a point. Why run class anyway? YOU qualify for the eliminator (enhanced) ladder and there's very little if any money for class win.
I feel the only thing NHRA understands is when you get in their pocketbook. One way to do that is just not play their game. That's my plan. Granted, it might not make much difference but, I'm feed up with their BS.

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I had the opinion for a long time that many of the new cars that were being produced by the Detroit automakers were not as fast as what was made in the muscle car era. Many Stock and Super Stock racers grew up in the era of the muscle cars and had the same opinion as I did, along with much of the younger generation also. Until the New Cobra Jet Mustangs came out, I thought there was no way that any car that was close to a production car could come close to running with a 427 Fairlane or 427 Corvette but these cars changed my concept of how fast a production car could be. The Detroit automakers don't build 40 year old 427 Fairlanes and 427 Corvettes any more but the do build Mustangs,Challengers and Camaros. They needed a showcase to show how fast these cars are, and that is what they did, build cars to compete with the 40 year old Detroit Iron. Now if you want to prove the new stuff is as fast as the really fast muscle cars of a bygone era, wouldn't you want to run against them in the same class? Many guys get emotional when it comes to their cars and Stock and Super Stock racing which clouds their thinking. Now maybe it is just chance that the new Cobra Jet is rated at the 425 horsepower which happens to be the same factory rating as the 427 corvettes and 427 Fairlanes from the factory, which would make them weigh the same for aa or a stock. The Auto makers are in the car business and the parts business is only a sideline for them so what is wrong with making something that is faster than a 40 year old car? Is it wrong for them to prove that they can build something that can be fast to try to hook the new generation of car buyers like they did our generation? The car makers are trying to sell cars to a new generation of car buyers and NHRA is helping them do it because it also brings a new generation of racers to the sport. Are the guys complaining about the new horsepower factors on the Mustangs or Challengers mad because the car makers rated the new cars softer than their soft horsepower factors? Well gee that is too bad. You can let your ego get in the way or you can just go out and race. As they say If you can't beat them, then Join them. Go out and build your own Cobra Jet or Challenger if you can afford to. If you can't afford it, you don't have anything to complain about anyway because you probably don't have enough money to be the fastest A or AA Stock even if the Challengers or Cobra Jets were not there. If you think a boycott will do any good you don't know much about how NHRA thinks, because in 1980 when they got rid of Modified Eliminator, the Modified racers held a protest Parade at the U.S. Nationals down the return road, and it did not stop NHRA from getting rid of Modified Eliminator. They could care less, they will only replace you with some other bracket to use as a filler for their Pro's.

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dwydendorf

That is why I will NEVER enter to a national event again!!

Oh, I hav'nt entered to a national for quite some time already! I got tired of the BS long ago.

Only go to a couple of pts or an open races a year. All you suckers can have those grade pt nationals as far as I'm concerned

Greg Hill are you still having fun??

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Junior I still have a good time racing. This year like you I'm not going to any National events. dwydendorf I shouldn't have to build a new car to compete in stock. The organization that I'm a member of shouldn't be so corrupt that they put cars in my class that have no business being their. I still don't understand why Chrysler and Ford don't run the cars they sell to the puiblic in stock. Every other car that runs in stock was street legal at one time and generally available to the public. I'm going to my divisional races this year and probably the Sportsnational race in Columbus. Other than that it will be the d3 opens and combo races at Bowling Green and Ohio Valley.

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Greg,

In all honesty,do you think that your combo and the 455 Olds combo are rated fairly?
I certainly don't.However,me and my mom will still race and probably get you HEADS UP more than once this year.
Last year at St. Louis,you raced my mom in class and won by about 1/2 second.Then,in the first round,you raced her HEADS UP AGAIN.
See you at Indy......Probably HEADS UP in Round 1.

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442 olds. it seems like a red olds 442 from Michigan runs pretty fair. I told your Dad last year who could build you guys motors that would run. I spend a lot of time and money on my stuff trying to make it run fast. I just don.t like the idea of purpose built factory race cars that don't have a vin number and were never street legal, to say nothing of their bogus horsepower ratings being able to race in Stock. If I'm a half a second faster than you one of those new challengers would be a second faster. Just take a look at the specs on the 305hp hemi.

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That's a common problem with the "later" generations. The same sort of people who figure that at the age of 20-25 they should already have everything their parents had worked until they were 40-50 to attain are exactly the type of people who figure they should be able to go and "buy the right" to be one of the fast guys when the older guys worked for years to get there.

We've now been infested by the "entitled" generations. Rather than being entitled to the pursuit of happiness, they feel they are entitled to happiness itself, with little or no effort.

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I never said that you had to build a new car to compete in Stock, I said that you may have to build a new car to be the fastest A or AA stock. Keep in mind that NHRA makes decisions based on what is best for their organization and not what may be the best for you as a racer. If that is corrupt or a good business decision is for you to decide. I am only presenting a different point of view. I have been on your side of a similar situation but I have learned to look at the situation differently. After seeing how fast the new cars are it makes me wonder if I should sell my old engine pieces and start on a new engine combo but its just a bracket race once eliminations start and very seldom do I have a heads up run so I don't get worked up over it. I have never been happy with some of the decision NHRA makes but I can't control it so I try not to let it get to me.

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Greg,
There is NO engine builder than can LEGALLY (not pass tech,but LEGAL) build an Oldsmobile 455 for Stock Eliminator that can run 10.70's at 3770 pounds.This is under current rules,which constantly change.
If one did,you would probably be running 10.30's at that race.

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Well, the factors and the AHFS are supposed to make sure that you do not have to buy or build a new car. And while you might not see too many heads up races in regular eliminations, it is not that uncommon in Stock, especially for the faster classes. I think Fletcher had at least FOUR heads up races in a row last week.

Now, with all of these new combinations, it isn't "just" the A and AA cars, it'll go way down into the middle of the pack, as far as the G cars, maybe lower. The economy is in the tank, and it's okay to make $50K cars obsolete? No, it is not, and it would not be even if the economy was not in the tank. It is completely absurd, and unacceptable.

And we should have at least some control over what NHRA does. NHRA operates as a non profit organization that is supposed to be run by/for its members, according to the charter. So the members should have some control over what happens but they do not. Honestly, NHRA should be forced to relinquish their non profit status and pay massive taxes like the rest of the for profit corporations if they are going to run roughshod over their members.

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Time, money, a good combo, real testing. That all enters into it. There are some people that have more runs on their oil in the crankcase than we have on our hone job. We pulled the engine back out to dyno test and try things just to see if we could compete. It is fun for us. We don't have the time to run for points. I figure skipping one race funded our dyno session. Some might choose to go to the race and risk getting beat by a fresher or more competitive car. We missed out on an extra race. That is the beauty of the choices. We all have them. Trying different engines to see what is more competitive is part of it too. We have run a 283 220 hp 327 275 hp and a 327 350 hp in our car. We still get our butts kicked in the 283 at times, but it is still a fun and competitive combo. It requires some maintanance though. I can't speak for any Olds combo like Daryl's or Kaekel's, but in ours, if we stopped testing, we would be no where close. Even at that I have been pounded on by the likes of Tony Hernandez and Steve Brack. I am close enough to be competitive only because we continually test and try to improve. If we would have stopped testing 5 years ago, we would be at least .5 tenths off of them too. (instead of .10-.15) :)

I don't know what to think about the new cars. I love the involvement, I just think that NHRA and the automakers could get what they need without dropping them in to the mix like they did. It isn't the first time, this just seems a bit extreme. I have to wonder how many cars will actually compete. I would think Indy runs the risk of being the ultimate dog and pony show for those cars if the factors work out the way the seem to. That would be a shame. Maybe there ought to be a teardown money benefit to at least line em up in the barn. ( LOL)

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[QUOTE=james schaechter; Maybe there ought to be a teardown money benefit to at least line em up in the barn. ( LOL)[/QUOTE]

Jim.....What bwould be the point? The "IVORY TOWER" guy would over ride any decision that the tech guys would have anyway. Besides that....why would the new combos have to do any current stocker "TRICKS" when they have such a low HP factor to begin with unless some of the owners have more ego than brains????

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LOL probably nothing other than to see if they can take them apart at the track. I remember seeing Larry Morgan go nuts at Indy with his Prostock car. He pulled out his wallet and grabbed his crew guy's wallets and said he would protest the entire qualified field. NHRA didn't like that approach either...

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As far as these new combos go,I saw a comment in an earlier post that made the most sense of all.


"Just get out there and do the best you can with what you have and have fun."