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As a track owner and NHRA Stock/Super Stock racer, I am encouraging every person affected by the recent fee increases to write a letter to the board to have their decision reversed.

It is the track owners that will suffer the most when members decide to just sell their cars and take up another hobby. When I think about how I spent over $500,000 upgrading my facility in the past six months, and how management's poor decisions will affect my ability to repay the loans I made for these improvements, to say that I am a little pissed is an understatement.

I led the effort to "reduce" the racer entry fee in division 4 for all of the 2009 divisional events. It was a small amount (from $155 to $150), but it was done in an attempt to let the racers know that we understood how tough it is in today's economy.

NPR competiton licenses, membership fees, and chassis certifications added over $30,000 to the NHRA coffers in the past 12 months. With the new fee schedule, I doubt seriously if we will send in 1/2 of last year's fees. NPR earns nothing from these fees, so it is no skin off of our back. But, in order for us to continue upgrading and expanding our facility, we need customers. And, whenever any individual, or group, makes a decision that will cause us to have fewer customers, well, I get really upset.

I am not aware of a single track operator that was consulted about the decicion to double fees in a time of economic hard times. I have mailed my letter of complaints to NHRA this morning, and I encourage all racers to spend 42-cents for a stamp to send thier letter to Glendora.

BTW, years ago, I suggested to several board members that NHRA could save major bucks by relocating its operations to Indianapolis. Guess it is easier to try and take more from the racers than to move out of sunny California. Only it is the track owners and racers that have to bare the burden for poor and sometimes desperate management decisions.

Pat "No Problem" Joffrion
4308 SS/KA 4808 F/SA

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Amen Pat...my letter is going in the mail today!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a business owner myself, I know what it takes to encourage customers to come in the door and spend, and in these trying times NHRA should be making concessions to the racers to encourage participation....instead they are discouraging it with higher entry fees, raising the chassis cert fee and so on and so forth.... I know I will cut back on races due to the increases. Getting a little tired of being treated like a sucker. My money can be spent on other forms of recreation.

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Pat is correct, as usual, which is to be expected from an astute and successful business operator.

Everyone should pony up for a $0.42 stamp and a $0.10 envelope, and write a calm, rational well thought out letter to NHRA. The more people write, the more attention it will get.

List your complaints, and your reasons. There are plenty.

NHRA says they haven't raised fees in a decade. Fine.

But they have not raised the payout in a decade or more either.

NHRA says it costs them more to operate now.

But it costs us more to operate now, too, except for fuel to get to the track (which we all paid dearly for last year, by the way).

NHRA fails to mention (but Dan Fletcher helped us out with the information) that contingency wise it pays 1/3 LESS to win this year.

NHRA fails to mention that they refused to make concessions for contingency sponsors. So 1/3 of them, or more, did not post this year.

In fact, the only concession NHRA did make this year were some ticket discounts for spectators, unless you count their staff reductions, and the reductions in allowances for staff expenses.

The list can go on, and maybe it should. But you should all make your own list. Make it short, concise, and to the point. Be civil, and polite, but firm.

Glendora appears to have become as disconnected from reality is D.C., in fact Glendora is to drag racing what D.C. is to the country. In light of the fact that these fees are much the same as taxes, and we are evidently suffering from taxation without representation, maybe we should all put a tea bag label in the envelope with the letter. However, if you do this, you may want to include a small brief note explaining the purpose and intent of the tea bag label, as Glendora may not yet grasp that simple concept.

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Does anyone know how the contingency program works? I believe the monies not claimed go directly to NHRA too. Can anyone confirm?

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How much have the fees gone up? So it's now $300 to enter a race and chassis inspections are $150 if they are done at the track? Wow that's some serious raping going on there.

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As always, Pat has a way of saying what's on my mind better than I can say it myself. I hope to be able to see some of the people who can have some input on reversing this decision in Atlanta this coming week.
Ed Swearingen
Silver Dollar Raceway

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Pat,

With all do respect and by the way you have done a fantastic job with your track. I can not see you losing business over these increased fees. I will attended 6 national event, have my car certified, pay my membership and license fees and it will cost me an extra $210.00 for one year. I can understand why NHRA members are upset, but $210.00 is not going to make me stop racing. I know I am in the minority, but I do not know what NHRA's financial position is and do not know what it takes to run an origination of this size.

The economy is not doing well, but racing is not a god giving right. It is a luxury and not everyone can do it. If the NHRA members feel such contempt for Tom Compton and they way NHRA is run, why do they support it? I would not support something I felt was unfair to me. To say you pay money and have a right to complain is fine, but if things do not change, why do they continue to support them? Many have said NHRA has been screwing us for years, if this is so why are they still a member.

Alan, comparing the US government to NHRA is way off base. We all are forced to pay taxes, no one is forcing you to go NHRA Drag Racing. Some of you have some great ideas. You all should get together and try to run your own sanctioning body. If you can deliver everything you want NHRA to deliver, you will have the most successful drag racing organization ever.

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Ed,

So what should the members do with the crooks as you call them. Should they tar and feather them, throw them in jail, what is you answer to fix the problems.

I see in the past you have supported NHRA, do you still have membership with NHRA?

It is beyond me why people will support something they hate so much. It does not matter how much you supported them in the past, there is no future in the past. NHRA has been doing the same thing they have always done, do you think anything will change. Its just like the stockmarket, if you want to keep putting money into something that gives you a poor return, shame on you. I think I get my moneys worth with NHRA, and when I can't afford it anymore, I will stay home.

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Ken, I do not hate NHRA. I vehemently disagree with a lot of what they do, but I do not hate it.

Someone has to keep the organization honest. NHRA does not belong to those who are running it. NHRA belongs to the dues paying members, and the dues paying members must do everything they can to keep NHRA honest.

If, in the past, everyone who saw NHRA taking a dump on the racers had said nothing, and done nothing, it would be a lot worse than it is now.

As Dan Fletcher said so well, this is not about a small (to some) amount of money, it is about principle. Where do we, or you, draw the line?

You SHOULD know about NHRA and their finances. You are member, a dues paying member, of a supposedly non profit organization, that is supposed to be looking out for the best interest of its members. As such, you are entitled to know all about NHRA, and how they spend your money.

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I have to pay for a NHRA membership and number so that I can earn track points at the national opener at mission, no membership no race, no race no points, no points I may not win the track championship,no track championship no gold card for the next year, no gold card means I Have to lay out alot of cash to race. NHRA has us bent over a barrel by making us become members to race for our own track point's.

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Alan, you may not hate NHRA, but there are many that do. This forum is full of unhappy racers. Unhappy the way they are treated by NHRA. Contempt for Tom Compton and his salary. NHRA finances are not my concern. I worry about my own finances. Anybody that goes into debt so then can race with NHRA is a fool. If they raise there fee's, then I have to assume they have good cause to do so. My god, if you can not afford on avarage of $200.00 more a year, should you really be racing?

Some say that's not the point, what is the point? Do you think drag racing should be a right? You pay money for a service, you don't get the service you want. Why would anyone pay for that service again? I am still at a lose why some racers would continue supporting something that has not changed for over 20 years. I knew what I was getting into when I started my membership. And even if I didn't, after few seasons I would have quit if I felt NHRA was not living up to what I thought a sanctioning body should be.

Do you really think that you or anyone else has had major impact on NHRA and there policy towards the sportsman racer? In all the years that I have been racing with NHRA, I have not seen them doing anything different they have done today.

If NHRA fees are to high and they are not looking out for our best intrest, then logically the membership will drop along with its participants. I guess time will tell, but I don't see that happening. If it does, then you can tell me I told you so.

As for me, I'm going NHRA racing. I enjoy it, knowing its not perfect, but in this world nothing is. I will take the best parts of it and not worry about the things I can not control. You go on, fight for what you think is right, I whish you well. Life is to short for me not to find good in the sport I love.

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The money is not my concern but what someone needs to do is send a copy of the IHRA letter, found elsewhere in this site, and send it to the NHRA so that they may see how other associations treat their racers!

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I fully understand Ken's points. Maybe even agree with all of them. But that does't negate the foolish timing of the enhancements. The following is what I sent to NHRA last night..............

Folks, 2 years ago, at the age of 50, I found myself taking economics at the local tech college to complete a 2 year degree. It is amazing how NHRA could believe they are immune from the laws of economics. I'm not ready to quit, but I have no doubt that some will. Double up the fees?? You don't have to be a Harvard phd to know that raising costs is how you discourage activity. This is like the water dripping on a rock. Drip long enough, you get a hole in the rock. Our sport is in more trouble than you folks might care to admit. 1000 ft fuel racing is a joke. Fans aren't interested. Now is the time to cultivate participation, not kill it. My first National event was 1984. It was a lot more fun then. I didn't even bother entering my home event in Houston this year. I'm being much more selective.

Someone is making bad decisions. I hope my 2 grandsons will carry on NHRA dragracing like my son and I do now. I have my doubts of NHRA survival.

Now is the worst time to make racing harder.

Mike Van Winkle
SC4400

P.S. I hate to tell you, but the website @&^#%!((# .... pulls a vacuum for user friendliness.

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Ken,
Please don't toss me off for this post. You make quite a few good points. There are always those with half full or others with half empty glasses. In your last post you made the point that you look out for your own finances. That is understandable, we all do if we are responsible. NHRA is looking out for themselves. In your case I can see you have no other choice than be a supporter of what NHRA does. I can see very clearly that taking the wrong side could have a negative impact on this forum, in many ways. The big deal to me is they have no Love for us, only our pocketbooks. It shows by what most of America is doing in these hard times & what they choose to do. Point: Most every Friday night I stop by my (National Chain) Pizza place & get a medium 3 topping pizza for my wife & myself. That is our Friday night meal I cook. :~) Until a few weeks ago it cost 14.95 for that meal. It has gone down in price by almost 1/3. It is not on special. The manager told me it was due to the economy & sagging sales. She also said most items on the menu have had a decrease in price. I apreciate that approach in hard times. As stated in other places on this forum there are other companies taking the lower price approach. Most business is taking the lower price business model for these hard times. I have a good friend that is a manager at one of our local Wal Marts. He told me today that their last months sales were up 1 1/2 percent, even with an overall 28 % lowering in prices. Just spend some time reading Wall Street reports & a few investments prospectus. It's pretty ovbious the leadership of NHRA went to a different business school. Most everything said in this debate, pro & con, has merit. Thanks for providing this forum where we can voice our opinions & debate issues.

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Mike, It maybe turn out to be a bad decision to raise the fees, time will tell. With all of the negative feedback on this forum they may listen, they may not. I can't begin to know what it takes to run an organization the size if NHRA.

Adger, I do not remove posts or thread because they have a different opinion then mine. If that were the case, half the threads would be gone. You have a right to your opinion and I respect that. I do not agree with they way some members view NHRA, but as long as members stay relatively civil and respect the rules it is fine with me.

Passing judgment on NHRA without knowing all the facts is a mistake in my opinion.

This forum has opened my eyes when dealing with a larger number of members. There are no membership fees on Class Racer, we offer free classifieds and free forums for associations along with lots of features for the members to enjoy. Yet there are members that are not happy with the way I run the site. Most complaints are with the classifieds, but others have problems with the site in general.

I receive letters calling me the worst names you can imagine. I charge no fee and people are still not happy. Thankfully it is a very small percentage, but I wanted to point out you can never make everyone happy all the time.

I know i'm the minority about NHRA. I have had issues with NHRA, but its not enough to make me stay away. There is to many good things about the sport that overrides the bad.

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and thats totally your right to do so, Kenny...

You can look at things as a black and white situation if you choose, as in "if you don't like the way you're being treated, then don't go back." I, on the other hand, have a lot of time and money invested in NHRA and choose to voice my input when I feel I've been done wrong. I don't do so very often, but this particular situation I found to be most objectionable.

I do not hate NHRA. I like NHRA, their employees, and their product. I have made a very respectable living racing at NHRA events. Most people love to bitch...about anything. That is not what this is about. Frankly, I feel NHRA does a pretty good job of pleasing a bunch of hard to please people, many with their own agendas.

But I look at it like this:

If had a long time employer and did not like the way I was being treated, I would speak to someone in an attempt to remedy the situation. I would not just quit and get a new job.

If I lived in a given township and did not like the way things were being handled, I would voice my opinion. I would not just sell my house and move to a new town.

If my wife and I were arguing and I thought she was treating me unfairly, I would work on the relationship to improve it. I would not just get a divorce and find a new spouse.

If the local store, during a time of enonomic crisis, chose to raise prices on their loyal customers, I would shop at a different store. Obviously, IHRA isn't a big enough store for me to shop at full time, so I've chosen to speak to the manager of my primary store.

As is your right, you can just quit or leave if you don't like a situation. Some of us would prefer to have a voice and be heard in an attempt to right a wrong. Some would like to just bitch. I guess thats why there are forums and bar stools.

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Another thought is that NHRA has TWO customers:

The racers who spend the money to enter and put on the "show"

The spectator that comes to see the show.

Who's prices are going up and who's are getting a "break"?

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Ken , i thank you for the right to read and post Jim Hanig

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Dan,

There is less then 1% of sportsman's racers that make a living with NHRA.

I can not see how the comparisons you have made relate to a hobby for the other 99%.

I do not see it as black and white. I see it as a hobby for most, and if NHRA makes the hobby less enjoyable then they need to move on.

In your case you do have a point, but I'm sure you know people that have left there job situation because they were not happy with it, even if they have invested allot time with them.

Voice your opinion, I have no problem with that, I'm just voicing mine.

Jim, uhhhhh what?

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Interesting discussion,
A different angle- You have an enjoyment of cars, racing and invest a significant amount in a competitive Stk or SS car so you can participate. It is assumed (except for pro sportsman like Dan) your main pay back is a track to race. A serious attempt at good traction to make it fun. Fairly efficient crew to run it.An opportunity to run eliminator and try for pay back.
NHRA provides this at points meets and Nationals. A Crew dedicated to being there and offering what you look for in a place to race.
The increase in entry is what part of your racing budget? We know the change is offensive on the surface but the place to race at this level is one of a kind if you are serious about participating.
You are paying to be allowed to participate at this level of track or event. Probably not many Sunday tracks offer the same set of advantages for their entry money.
Will it cut some cars? maybe. Will it make people be more selective where to race? maybe.Will it hurt THEIR bottom line directly? Doubtful. They are a business and if they make decisions of this direction and they find them wrong by bottom line evaluation then they will have tried it and may change later.
I think they have been bothered by Sportsman racing demands of time and materials and personnel for some time and the decrease in participants is not an issue knowing the numbers who they need to fill the event.
I think letters are good input to them if short and business like.
Comment on Pizza story- Pizza is available on most streets in most towns. Competition for your dollars.
NHRA is in a limited market. NO other place in town or close by percieved as offering the same level professionalism for a place to race for your money at this time

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Keno,

the analogies I've drawn have absolutley nothing to do with NHRA being a hobby or a profession. Zero. They speak to being involved with a given set of circumstances that one is unhappy with and what to do about it. I choose to put forth an effort to improve conditions, no matter what situation I'm involved with, as opposed to just walking away without being heard.

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Kenny, you don't have to be a Professional Sportsman to consider Drag Racing your business. If I don't go racing, my business (such as it is) ceases to exist. In that respect, Drag Racing is my business or at least a part. What would this forum be dedicated to if not for Drag Racing? Bowling? Face it, your business is Drag Racing.

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JDG71, Wow, you sure told me, no come back for that one.

Dan, I wish you luck with you effort.

Being a rich a$$hole I find myself counting all my money these days and don't have time for the good fight.

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Billy, I have failed at many businesses, if Class Racer dies so be it. I will survive. If I have a warm place to live, food in my stomach and cloths on my back, life is good. Racing is for my enjoyment, but it is not a necessity.

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now let's see-------------I have lost some of my customers and my $$$$$$ comming in is down---------hmmmmmmmmm I know what to do charge the customers I still have twice the money---------Problem fixed what's next? Kenny----maybe it's supply and demand like the oil companies.

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JDG71, I have no idea who you are, but unlike you I have no animosity towards you. You insult me because you do not agree with my position. I'm the minority here. Most believe as you do, but I do not insult other members as you feel you should.

Its is easy to stand for something that everyone agrees on. I will not let your insults change my opinion.

You keep posting your hate for people that may not see it your way. NHRA is were I will race and if you feel you need to move on, I repect that.

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Billy, life would be no less complicated if we changed our focus....there would always be someone in the "lanes" complaining about another competitor's balls.

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First of all, I appreciate this forum and the give and take; at least something to read during the day while my business tanks. I've been reluctant to comment, because when we fought the muffler battle, I swore if we beat that back, I would never bitch again.

Thanks to NHRA, they are the giver that keeps on giving!

Its not this last $200, its the constant nibbles, the treatment: I know I'm the secondary show at Nat's, just dont shove it in my face, lately we've been the secondary show at LODRS with the advent of Top this an that, 2 year seat belts, fuel check that passes once, but not again, park here not there, badges, permits, used to race on Sunday's, now sometimes out of the program on Thurs or Friday, limited time trials, poor track prep,payouts frozen, contingencies down, treatment of sponsors, sloppy inconsistant tech, rules overruled, crappy ND, fire pants, diapers, neck collars, pitting in another zip code, the trumpeting of SRAC and its demise, dim light, the TV program, and on and on and on....oh there's much more as we all know, and NONE in and of itself is a deal breaker, but the body of work supplied by Glendora is amazing, if they believe "we are the backbone of racing"

Taking the position of "not bitching" is Neville Chamberlainisk acceptance of whatever the next big thing NHRA dreams up.

It's not the $200, for me and some it seems, it was the condesending arrogant attitude, and the timing.

Someone once said, "when Michael Jordan's tongue is hanging out, sumpin' bad is about to happen"...our corallary is "when NHRA suits have a meeting, sumpin' bad is gonna happen to class racers"....you have to imagine the risk-reward decision making...how hard can we milk these guys as we know they are "hooked" with $100+K racing operations...where they gonna go? ca-ching!

Do I "hate" NHRA, no, just saddened

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......or the pin setter for that matter. Hey, wait a second; I quit bowling to go drag racing!!

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I am naturally not happy about paying more to race, and I feel it is wrong to drop such a huge increase on us in one hit. But while it is unjust, no one really knows the financial state of NHRA. It is so easy to criticize, but this may be a necessary move for NHRA to survive. I'd rather pay an extra $200 bucks, if the alternative is to have two drag cars, a trailer and truck that is totally worthless because I have no place to race.

In my industry, which is magazine publishing, my company has had to absorb astronomical operating cost increases, well into the millions, over the last few years (well over a million in paper cost alone) and make some drastic moves similar to this one by NHRA. To survive we've had to trim staff, cut print runs, work smarter, travel less, relocate people, raise advertising rates, etc. The fact is, these are times that no one was prepared for.

All Kenny is saying is that there is probably a reason for the increase, other than for executives to pad their pockets. He does a great job with this website and I, for one, see his point. On that note, I will be writing a letter to express my displeasure with the huge increase.

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You make an excellent point Evan. If NHRA had said "guys, we're hurting. we are two national event rainouts away from bankruptcy. We unfortunately have to raise fees for xyz, on xx/xx date. We are working within the organization to adjust to the current economic situation, we appreciate your understanding and continued support." they may have got a much different reaction. however they decided to piss down our leg and tell us its raining, that is the big issue to me

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How about the NHRA charging all the Pro's?? Do they pay anything??? Three trailers, two motorhomes?? Twenty crew guys??

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There are other venues to race in but most choose to ignore them and continue on with what they were doing. I also feel that the so called higher ups do not deserve the salary that they recieve for doing such a lousy job. Are they really worth $700,000 + a year. Why dont they take a cut like the auto CEO's and recieve $1 a year until they are out of the hole if in fact they really are.

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I do not like how NHRA does things, and I do not support them on the national or divisional level.
I also do not complain on forums and do nothing about it. I stand by my principles and enjoy racing IHRA.
I work in NYC corporate america...CEO's will keep on taking as long as they can.





SS/EM 161
Quickrod 161

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Dan you couldn't have said it any better. The only thing I could add are the choices we have as to were to race...and WE DO have choices. Look at it like this - compare the NHRA to Home Depot - except with higher prices and bad service vs. IHRA being like True Value - less selection but with lower prices and better service. As long as people prefer the bigger selection, they're voting with emotion instead of their pocket book. What doesn't make sense is when voting with emotion you know you're about being victimized. So why bitch when you already know it's going to happen? A lousy store will either go out of business or make drastic, positive change when customers stop buying, not because of the complaints.

While I've chosen to complain about NHRA, I've also elected to take action by not opening my wallet to them.

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Oh, except for NPR races, from what I hear, has got the best selection, best service, best prices, and they throw in a good time for free!!!

(Pat, does that sound about right:D:D:D??)

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Resorting to name calling is the last refuge of the ignorant!

Tree

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I think they call it "intellectual bankruptcy."

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Don't forget many years ago, a track owner, Larry Carrier, was unhappy with the way NHRA and AHRA were run. The result was IHRA was born.

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NHRA doesnt care about you guys, the sportsman racer.

Simply put the sportsman racers are there for time to go by. You are just a number and thats it. Why should Pro Stock, Pro Stock Bike, Top Fuel and Funny Car be on TV BUT not the sportsman racers ? We work hard to acheive what we do at every race

For Example, Want proof ? Read below,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What can NHRA do about the Economy? Well, many people go to NHRA events but don't buy nothing,, Now if NHRA was smart enough to lower the cost for an affordable ticket they would be much better because then fans would buy stuff,, Sometimes its better to give a little and recieve than to just take the money like they are,, at what NHRA is getting for a ticket its over double the cost of an IHRA ticket. Until NHRA tickets are affordable NHRA is doomed for ever

Now, what about in 2001 when the fans loved Pro Stock Truck ? Why did NHRA take them away? Because the fans liked Pro Stock Truck and they were taking sponsorship dollars from the pro levels is the real reason, Who in the pro levels did fight for an entry level pro class called Pro Stock Truck? The answer is none because the pro classes got more sponsorship with them gone, sounds kind of like modified in 1981, huh? They all were quiet because they knew if NHRA eliminated Pro Stock Truck the sponsorship dollars would go up for the other Pro Teams ,,,,, Like a good friend of mine said,, be carefull what you ask for, you just may get it !!!!!

What about 1981 when NHRA did away with modified eliminator, who stood up for the modified racer ?? No pro racer did, none.

If they really want to minimize costs in this economy they need to look at what IHRA is doing for divisional racers,, I wouldn't race NHRA if they let me race for free as its crazy, want proof ?

Scott got killed in a Funny Car crash last year, very sad times in Funny Car the past few years with Scott, Eric, that young man in Top Alcohol Funny Car and John Force being hurt in a crash. Their family is always in my prayers,,,,

There are only THREE options to make them safer,
1) Make the tracks longer in the shut down and cut the bull crap of staying with a track because you have been with them for years,, move on to a safer track that's newer and updated to handle the top end speeds

2) Make the cars slower, Although NHRA can't seem to figure out how to do this,, well I can tell you my friend it is easier to slow them down then make them faster,, We all know that AND if you slow them down you will kill three birds with one stone
- slower times = safer car
- slower times = less maintance on cars = cheaper in this fallen economy
- less fuel used = less money spent on fuel = cheaper fuel costs over all

3) Save money by putting a throttle stop on fuel cars

Until NHRA steps up to the plate and takes action we are all doomed as it will impact the sportsman racer which is us

Question for NHRA, Why do you think Pinks All Out is as popular if not more popular than NHRA ?

QUOTE FROM A FRIEND
The P.R.O. and drag racing magazines have had years to investigate and report on the dictators in Glendora. They sat on their rears and did nothing because it didn't impact them.

Now that the pro ranks are being impacted by the NHRA, it's a big deal??? Not for me, they got want they wanted. Multi-million, multi-car race teams that dominate the sport and prevent the growth of the smaller, independent teams. That's very near-sighted as the sport will die when the John Forces, Schumacher's retire.

The final straw for me was when they abolished the Pro-Stock trucks which were picking up a big fan base. I suspect the pros, especially in Pro Stock, did not want the trucks as they were starting to cut into their sponsor base.