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Ed Fernandez 04-23-2009 10:07 AM

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I know it's not S/SS elated but NHRA is going to test a new engine format for the T/F and F/Cs.
Looks like there will be alot of either slow or junk runs for a while till they adapt.

1.) 4.187 Bore
2.) 3.750 Stroke
3.) 7 to 1 Compression
4.) Single 70-gallon fuel pump
5.) 15% overdrive on the blower
6.) No timing management
7.) 350 rear end gear
8.) 90% Nitro Methane limit

To my lack of knowledge the biggest hurdle looks like the "no timing management" clause.
Maybe a few AA/SA cars will qualify in the short fields.
Just a guess,I'll say they will be in the 4.80/295 range in the 1/4.I'm probably way off though.
Ed F.

bill dedman 04-23-2009 10:45 AM

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Why don't they just take the wings off of 'em? That'll slow them down, and it's CHEAP!!!

X-TECH MAN 04-23-2009 11:00 AM

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Why not just cut the nitro percentage to 50% MAX, reduce blower over drive, and compression????? OR take one half of the field and start them all at one time at the starting line as usual and the other half of the field and start them all at one time at the finish line and see who can get to the 1/8 mile first.....lol.

bill dedman 04-23-2009 11:08 AM

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X-TECH...
I LIKE the way you think!!!! (the eighth-mile deal.... lol!)


Bill

novassdude 04-23-2009 11:15 AM

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That won't work Bill they would just have to peddel them all the time and that would cause them to scatter parts more often.

bill dedman 04-23-2009 12:37 PM

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Not my problem... :)

Tom Goldman 04-23-2009 04:16 PM

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Even tho it's not S/SS, or SG ,I find the fact that NHRA is trying to reel in the HP on the fuel cars interesting. ....I rarely enjoy watching the fuel cars at the track because so few of the tracks allow a spectator the proper perspectve to appreciate 300+mph. .........The loss of one pump is significant,altho the 3.50 gear will really help slow them even more,as the nitro cars really dont run well unless they are running against a hard load. .......I like the no timing control deal, any one who thinks a Super class car has too much electronics,has not looked at a modern Fuel car ! ......It should take the Allen Johnsons of the Fuel world a little while to overcome the limitations that this combo would present. .....Tom

Bryan Worner 04-23-2009 04:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Goldman (Post 116990)
Even tho it's not S/SS, or SG ,I find the fact that NHRA is trying to reel in the HP on the fuel cars interesting. ....I rarely enjoy watching the fuel cars at the track because so few of the tracks allow a spectator the proper perspectve to appreciate 300+mph. .........The loss of one pump is significant,altho the 3.50 gear will really help slow them even more,as the nitro cars really dont run well unless they are running against a hard load. .......I like the no timing control deal, any one who thinks a Super class car has too much electronics,has not looked at a modern Fuel car ! ......It should take the Allen Johnsons of the Fuel world a little while to overcome the limitations that this combo would present. .....Tom

Probably only because they are running out of nitro!!!

Ed Fernandez 04-23-2009 08:09 PM

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Looks like the jelly fish in Glendora gave them back the timing management.It seems like no one wants to work hard to achieve a goal anymore.

Ed F.

joe176 04-23-2009 09:10 PM

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They're probably doing this in the hopes of going back to full quarter mile racing.....friends of mine that only know what they see on tv can't corrolate the 1000' times and it just doesn't interest them like it used to when they ran the et's that they were familiar with watching in the full quarter mile.

Tom Goldman 04-23-2009 09:27 PM

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Joe, I think you hit the nail on the head! ....It' probably much more about spectator appeal,than economics or safety....I know quite a few old motorheads who get together for Englishtown or Maple Grove and really dislike the 1000' racing.........It just makes me laugh when nitro snobs turn their noses up at Super class cars when the fuel cars are doing the same thing with even more electronics and pneumatics [altho the results are far more spectacular]......Tom

Ed Fernandez 04-23-2009 10:56 PM

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The article said the changes were for preparation to go back to 1/4 mile racing.But the big #s wont
be there.At least the MPH.Don't think the ETs will improve for quite a while.Years ago guys like Garlits and the others were what he called crafty.Now they're just $$$$ powered.

Ed F.

bill dedman 04-23-2009 11:23 PM

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At 300 mph those Fuel cars are traveling 440 feet per second. The difference between 1,000 feet and 1,320 feet is covered in .727-second.

So, all this agonizing is about watching racing for a difference of less than three-quarters of a second?

I wonder how long it takes to blink your eyes???

Jim Woods 04-24-2009 06:58 AM

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it takes 1/20th of a second to blink your eyes

njk53 04-24-2009 07:44 PM

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Make them run gasoline!!

Gary Smith 04-25-2009 08:19 AM

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Simple. 10.5x31.5W tire. Run 'em hard, they blow the tires off. Run 'em soft, they slow down. End of problem.

bill dedman 04-25-2009 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Woods (Post 117070)
it takes 1/20th of a second to blink your eyes

Thanks, Jim....so, if you blink your eyes while they're running that last 320 feet, you'll still have .52-sec. to watch the rest of the race! Splended!!!! Half a second!!! No wonder everybody's so excited about this!!!

a2race 04-26-2009 08:21 AM

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easiest fix for the fuel cars.......take a pump and a mag off.......easy to do.......and it will slow them down right away......


adam


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