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Good luck to Doug Duell this week end at Indy points meet. Already #10 in STOCK after Q1.
This is "NOT' a factory drag pack car, but one Doug has built from scratch.
I'm sure Dave is looking down from above with a big smile.

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best of luck. dad was a great man.

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The Duell family is one of the nicest in the country. Glad to see he is out with the car.

Herb McCandless Jr

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http://www.evansvillechrysler.com/race.htm#race_top
Check out the build of Doug's Challenger and photos of Dave Duell's Wagon.

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looks great, who built the car and the motor??

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Indy Cylinder Head did the engine, and Doug's buddy Matt Wright( I believe is his last name) built the car. Very impressive for the first weekend out with the stocker engine.

Good job to all involved!


Jeff Day
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Running pretty good out of the box in A/SA.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...79590#indextop

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Nice Job

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A/SA Randy Wilkes, Zanesville OH, '02 Firebird 10.168 11.30 -1.132
A/SA Doug Duell, Newburgh IN, '09 Challenger 10.169 11.30 -1.131
First time out,,,,,
Nice Job !

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Yep..that seem about right for a new car..I dont understand why people trash on old combos for decades and decades when you can go out and be fast right away with brand new "STOCK"-cars..

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Wilkes and Duell are both through to the 2nd round.

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I would imagine that one could apply knowledge gained over decades and do pretty well with a new combination.

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>>>"I dont understand why people trash on old combos for decades and decades"

Maybe it's because until recently, there hasn't been much offered from Detroit in the way of "New combos" for Stockers and Super Stockers....

Or, maybe it's what they HAVE and can be built up into a competitive car a little at a time, over a few years. Not everone has fifty grand to drop on a new car to race, just because it's easier.

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Just my two cents worth... I looked this car over real good. Very nice car and nice owners. But this is NOT a NHRA Stocker.... NHRA take your head out of your back side and make a class for these crate motor cars. And while your at it Danny ( old buddy?) GET THE HP FACTOR UP WHERE YOU KNOW IT BELONGS ON THESE CRATE MOTORS ( ford and chrysler). Personally I wouldn't give a rats back side if NHRA went belly up tomorrow! Other than that I'm happy here at Indy!! Keith

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Absolutley..but are's these new cars on kill you think..anything left in them..or something more to figure out..take a guess..

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I thought I had seen a picture of the motor...didn't know it came with a tunnel ram w/ 2 Dominator TB's

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Keith is wright. I think the factory involvement in stock is a good thing for sportsman racing but I'll be dead & gone before NHRA gets the HP anywhere near correct. They need to have a class called factory stock added to stock elim. There would be lots of interest in stockers running mid 9s & our old dinasours would not have to run heads up with them, after all we already have the injected cars to contend with. Just my .02.

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It Seems to me that the Chevy racers are all concerned about the new combinations coming in Drag racing and I suspect they are correct as the chevies have for a long time a major advantage in the HP area? and now that advantage just may be no longer there especially if the new combinations are in your class or you were building a bogus combination to run in the class the new cars are in, hey for years everyone told me about my old pig Pontiac work harder on your stuff which ii have big time almost out of money doing this, so now I say work harder on your stuff especially if the advantage you had is gone and the hp factor is now fair on your combination just my opinion.

Spike calm down in your old age LOL at US
By the way to all the chevy whiners let me know i have plenty of whining in my cellar.lol

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Don,
I would think anyone in the higher classes, Ford Mopar or chevy would be concerned. We do run a 396 chevy. I am not whining & I don't think 405 HP is bogus for that comb. What you have done with the Pontiac is impressive but they mite put a bigger cam & intake on one of those cars & you would really have to go to work on your pontiac.

Jim

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Jim :
You are right. We will work harder and whine more. this has been going on since the beginning of Stock and Super Stock racing . I know i remember and so does Spike( Keith Lynch) he is older than most LOL at all of us

We figure it will take a total of 17 years to get the 400 chevy hp to where it should be as well as some 350 chevies wow
which is ok My daughter Kati will have the Super Stocker Pontiac with one very smart racer as her Crew Chief her Husband Brian Vanpoppel and Tom and Jean ,Then she will benefit from all the whine and cheese we Pontiac Racers have done.

did I mention We have the cheese you chevy racers bring the whine.

Keith Lynch
By the way what year was it when i ran you in Minn and there was a picture at the finish line with both of us looking at each other before i let you win? Was that 20 or 25 years ago? haha
By the way Keith you still own us a lunch for your win at the 1985 Sportnationals win at Bowling green , or have you for got already

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The Drag-Pak motor is a lone TB on a single plane intake (albeit a tall one).

From what I gather, Duell doesn't plan on running that car exclusively as a Stocker. The motor that is in the build pics of that car has to be for some other class.

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The 2 TB motor was for exhibition/brackets only and was built before the Challenger was accepted by the NHRA.

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Doug Duell moves into round 4.

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Don,
No argument about the soft combos, all makes have some, even Pontiacs. There wont be that many of those cars. I just think NHRA is missing the boat by not showcasing these cars with their own class. Your choice on the whine as long as its Ripple or Thunderbird.
Jim

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Don, I'm too old to start drinking wine ....but I can cut the cheese with the best of them!! LOL Get your fanny out to Indy or Chicago this year and I'll wine and dine ya....its long over due buddy. Hope all is well with the family. Keith

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Very nice car.I was fortunate enough to have a time run with it.Saw the rear pretty clear.

1.379
4.137
6.468
105.40
8.484
10.192
130.68

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As tricky Dick Nixon always said " let me make it perfectly clear" ..... Don you should like that, being the political guru that you are. If Nhra let the new Chevy Camaro use a fiberglass/scoop hood complete with Dutz fasteners, a 502 crate motor complete with ram intake and rated it at 425( sounds like a good round number). The same thing as the new Challenger, I would say the same thing about the Chevy. In fact that would make a super interesting class to watch and race against, but they are crate motor cars. Put them in there own class and run'em in stock and SS and sort them out there. I don't even own a car, so I'm just calling it as I see ( and I've seen for 45 years now). How old does that make me anyway? I must have gotten a bit of heat stroke at Indy today. Keith

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My question is since the drag pack cars haven't all been built yet that technically makes them ineligible for competition yet right?....I think that is why Doug Duell has the Challenger he is driving...it isn't a package car just a "normal" production car it has to have either the regular 5.7 or 6.1 SRT Hemi in it without the special "drag pack" engine parts....it will be interesting to see how things progress with these things.....

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Doug has two engines, both built by INDY. One is a bracket only engine, the other is a stocker built to the specs that NHRA provided. Doug is a very good friend of mine, and I new that this car would get everyone talking. That is good for the sport and the class.
I agree with some on here that these new factory cars, mustang, challenger, and camaro...if chevy ever gets it done, deserve to have their own class in stock. They draw interest, and that doesn't hurt. However, I have never agreed with NHRA and their decision to put fuel injected/computer cars in with conventional stockers. These new cars should have their own class, like AA/FI or A/FI.
Doug's car isn't a body in white factory drag pack car. It is a clone, just like probably 90 percent of the other A/SA cars, including mine. That doesn't make his car bogus or a crate motor car. It was built, inspected and okayed for and by the NHRA guys. They have been aware and on this car since before the PRI show this past winter. Kudo's for Doug for beating everyone else to the track. He followed the rules he was given and beat everyone to the punch.
Try to take it easy on him, he is a good guy and a great ambassedor for our sport.


Jeff Day
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1320 / 130.68 = 10.10.101
Actual ET was 10.192
Difference = .091

I'd say for a brand new car that is DAMN good and shows he's a real racer for keeping it WOT all the way down the track as his 1/8 & 1/4 MPH are also in line.

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I fully agree with Jeff, Doug is a great guy and a very good racer. He didn't just open his wallet and buy a competetive car. He built this car from scratch. Congrats on a very succesful debut.

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1320/118.89 = 11.102
Actual ET was 10.922
Difference = .180

Does that mean my car is really good or really bad? :confused:

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If you can beat the formula, it shows you have done very well with making your car as competitive as possible. And that's assuming WOT to the finish line. You know as well as I you can drop MPH while still sustaining the ET.

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I don't totally understand the theory behind this formula.
I ran somebody with the same combination as I do this weekend on a time trial.
I ran 11.24 at 116,the other car ran 11.03 at 120.

I think I beat the formula,but he beat me to the finish line by over two tenths.

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You both beat the formula ..but the other one has more speed..therefore more horspower = faster..
The way i see it the car most still be accelerating past the finishline in good manner for this formula to work..

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Did any one get a photo of this new Challenger in action?
Sure would like to see it...