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Larry Hill 04-27-2009 12:24 PM

NMCA Good OR BAD ?
 
Has anyone raced with the NMCA that has an IHRA / NHRA stocker or super stocker? How well were you treated?

Thanks, Larry

nssracer 04-27-2009 01:00 PM

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Larry, I have raced NSS with these guys for years. They have always been professionally run events. Ill be in Bowling Green this weekend with 2 cars. Doug Duell

jeff conley 04-27-2009 01:30 PM

Re: NMCA Good OR BAD ?
 
Come on out you will have a great time. We appreciate all of the racers that come out and support the series.

KingReptile 04-27-2009 01:56 PM

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I looked into running NMCA ...In your rules Starting line rev limiters prohibited. NO THANKS i'll go blow my sh!t up somewhere else...Im mean really wtf kinda rules is that ..Leave on the highside of a stick you may understand if you every drove one...

X-TECH MAN 04-27-2009 02:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KingReptile (Post 117504)
I looked into running NMCA ...In your rules Starting line rev limiters prohibited. NO THANKS i'll go blow my sh!t up somewhere else...Im mean really wtf kinda rules is that ..Leave on the highside of a stick you may understand if you every drove one...

What did the stick racers (Ronnie Sox, Dyno Don, Strickler, etc. do) before all that electronic crap was ever invented?

larry dowty 04-27-2009 02:36 PM

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and every modified racer in the world from the 70s

KingReptile 04-27-2009 02:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 117517)
What did the stick racers (Ronnie Sox, Dyno Don, Strickler, etc. do) before all that electronic crap was ever invented?

Why dont you tell me XTECHMAn you seem to be the expert !?!?!

John Quinn 04-27-2009 03:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KingReptile (Post 117524)
Why dont you tell me XTECHMAn you seem to be the expert !?!?!

They looked at the tach and used the right foot as a control.

BlueOval Ralph 04-27-2009 03:43 PM

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Didn't use anything but a tach keep eye on it on statring line left at 9500 to 9800 small block Ford 10.5 x 29.5 tires 2.80 low gear 6.00 rear end shift at 9200.




Quote:

Originally Posted by KingReptile (Post 117524)
Why dont you tell me XTECHMAn you seem to be the expert !?!?!


jeff conley 04-27-2009 03:43 PM

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Go to a NMRA event 90% of our heads-up racers are stick and do not use a 2-step. Sorry you feel that way. I'm a stick racer myself and do not use a 2-step. Sorry we can't make everyone happy but we try.

Jeff Swanson 04-27-2009 04:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 117490)
Has anyone raced with the NMCA that has an IHRA / NHRA stocker or super stocker? How well were you treated?

Larry, give them a try, you may never race NHRA again.

KingReptile 04-27-2009 04:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff conley (Post 117534)
Go to a NMRA event 90% of our heads-up racers are stick and do not use a 2-step. Sorry you feel that way. I'm a stick racer myself and do not use a 2-step. Sorry we can't make everyone happy but we try.

The rules says no starting line rev limiter ,I doesnt say two step..Elaborate please .Are u saying you have no rev limiter???Sticks leaving off Imagination ?? It looks like a lot of fun.Thanks in Advance!1

jeff conley 04-27-2009 04:31 PM

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[QUOTE=Jeff Swanson;117539]Larry, give them a try, you may never race NHRA again.[/Q

Mark Yacavone 04-27-2009 05:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 117517)
What did the stick racers (Ronnie Sox, Dyno Don, Strickler, etc. do) before all that electronic crap was ever invented?

Don't forget , it was a 5 amber tree back then. You had a little more time to get the RPM steady.
If you can come out, pedal on the mat ,it shouldn't matter, though.

X-TECH MAN 04-27-2009 05:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Quinn (Post 117530)
They looked at the tach and used the right foot as a control.

Thats how its done.....I raced nothing but 4 speeds in the 60's and 70's (except for one 65 426 Street Wedge Plymouth) WITHOUT electronic aids. The last was a SS/I STICK (Chrysler A-833 trans) 68 Camaro until 78. Then I went to a glide (no trans brake or 2-step) to keep the 12 bolt alive a little longer. We were not allowed Danas and 9" fords in a Chevy back then.

KingReptile 04-27-2009 06:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA (Post 117551)
Yeah, I drove one once or twice myself without those starting line aids.....
Here's what you do:

Come out of your burnout ( which also didnt have a rev limiter)
Stage car
Look at that real big thing with numbers from 0-10,000
If you want to leave at say..... 6800, then press down on your gas pedal untill the pointer thingy on that big round thing is right at 6800, then DO NOT press pedal further. Hold it there untill the tree comes down and you want to go.... then.... and this is the most important part.... take your foot off the clutch pedal and the car will go.

*sigh* Dont know how we all did it without todays technology.

Thanks for the advice . I see why you are driving a automatic .Bunch of Wise Asses

Chevellewagon 04-27-2009 06:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA (Post 117551)
Yeah, I drove one once or twice myself without those starting line aids.....
Here's what you do:

Come out of your burnout ( which also didnt have a rev limiter)
Stage car
Look at that real big thing with numbers from 0-10,000
If you want to leave at say..... 6800, then press down on your gas pedal untill the pointer thingy on that big round thing is right at 6800, then DO NOT press pedal further. Hold it there untill the tree comes down and you want to go.... then.... and this is the most important part.... take your foot off the clutch pedal and the car will go.

*sigh* Dont know how we all did it without todays technology.

I raced stick in the "early" years and this may be hard to believe by some but after awhile you ALMOST didn't need the tach as you could tell by the sound of the motor where your RPM was at. Just a quick glance at the tach and then concentrate on leaving on the fourth bulb! (showing my age....lol)
Phil Daly

X-TECH MAN 04-27-2009 06:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA (Post 117551)
Yeah, I drove one once or twice myself without those starting line aids.....
Here's what you do:

Come out of your burnout ( which also didnt have a rev limiter)
Stage car
Look at that real big thing with numbers from 0-10,000
If you want to leave at say..... 6800, then press down on your gas pedal untill the pointer thingy on that big round thing is right at 6800, then DO NOT press pedal further. Hold it there untill the tree comes down and you want to go.... then.... and this is the most important part.... take your foot off the clutch pedal and the car will go.

*sigh* Dont know how we all did it without todays technology.

LOL.........My kind of racer.

X-TECH MAN 04-27-2009 06:36 PM

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If you notice its just the younger generation that really dont know. Its what us older guys got used to doing. Drag racing has evolved to where some couldnt race with out all the "bells and whistles such as 2- steps, air or elec. shifters, slider clutches and we even had to really use the clutch to shift gears when the pointy needle was on the right number (or by ear) instead of a shift light.....imagine that !

Alan Roehrich 04-27-2009 06:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KingReptile (Post 117504)
I looked into running NMCA ...In your rules Starting line rev limiters prohibited. NO THANKS i'll go blow my sh!t up somewhere else...Im mean really wtf kinda rules is that ..Leave on the highside of a stick you may understand if you every drove one...


I drove a stick car nearly 30 years ago, and last year I drove one again. I've driven them both ways, it can be done, and it can be done fairly easily. The two step doesn't make it possible, it just makes it considerably easier. Lee Shepherd hated a two step, he said the weird noise wrecked his concentration.

KingReptile 04-27-2009 06:46 PM

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Lots Of Love Here

Robert Swartz 04-27-2009 06:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 117569)
If you notice its just the younger generation that really dont know. Its what us older guys got used to doing. Drag racing has evolved to where some couldnt race with out all the "bells and whistles such as 2- steps, air or elec. shifters, slider clutches and we even had to really use the clutch to shift gears when the pointy needle was on the right number (or by ear) instead of a shift light.....imagine that !

Terry,

I remember when "trick", was a Mr. Gasket in-line shifter. That was the neatest thing I ever put in my Mustang. In the 70's. a rev limiter, wasn't that keeping the rods in the motor! Which I failed at, a couple times. With all the gadgetry today, driving a car by the seat of the pants is a lost art. There was a real feeling, a stiff clutch, slamming against a 50 lb flywheel at 7000+ rpm. Planting a set of 10.5 x 29.5 M & H Racemasters on old heavy Cragar SS wheels. Hoping you don't leave something setting on the starting line, like your tailshaft, driveshaft, pinion gear or an axle, LOL! Oh, yes, those were the days.

bigshow2966 04-27-2009 07:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chevellewagon (Post 117565)
I raced stick in the "early" years and this may be hard to believe by some but after awhile you ALMOST didn't need the tach as you could tell by the sound of the motor where your RPM was at. Just a quick glance at the tach and then concentrate on leaving on the fourth bulb! (showing my age....lol)
Phil Daly

I used to race a drag bike with no tach or rev limiters on it at all. You're correct, after a short time you don't even look at the tach anymore anyway.

Chevellewagon 04-27-2009 07:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 117569)
If you notice its just the younger generation that really dont know. Its what us older guys got used to doing. Drag racing has evolved to where some couldnt race with out all the "bells and whistles such as 2- steps, air or elec. shifters, slider clutches and we even had to really use the clutch to shift gears when the pointy needle was on the right number (or by ear) instead of a shift light.....imagine that !

Amen X-TECH MAN !!!

Phil

Gary Smith 04-27-2009 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 117517)
What did the stick racers (Ronnie Sox, Dyno Don, Strickler, etc. do) before all that electronic crap was ever invented?


Hey, don't forget Butch Leal....no tach....EVER!! His shift points were made with the two holes on the sides of his head:D!!

james schaechter 04-27-2009 07:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KingReptile (Post 117574)
Lots Of Love Here

Tommy don't be too quick to Dis these old timers, in case you haven't checked we are already getting old enough to be the "new" old timers. LOL Some of these guys broke more parts than you could count. It scares the poop out of me when I race street car stickshifts. If it wasn't for your Dad, probably would be a lot less of us racing stickshifts.
Where you been hanging out? Thinking of dragging the Chevelle out again? I bet there are a couple of Div. 3 Moostangs that would be a heck of a match up with you. Shoot me an e mail let me know what you are up to. jimschaechter@earthlink.net

jdfpam 04-27-2009 07:42 PM

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Larry,
I used to run NMCA for points from 1997-2000. I have never run anthing like it since, I very much miss it. I went back to one race a few years back in Columbus. They still had a very professionally run race. I just can't run their schedule because large area that it covers.
Be sure to check their rules on contingency decal placement. I believe that they will only pay if you run the decals on the back windows.
I would recommend them to anyone.


Jeff Day
#3731

Urraco 04-27-2009 07:47 PM

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yea, thats it, lets all go back to the dark ages of drag racing. While we are at it, lets take out the tachs, line locks, inline shifters, ect.

Eddie Rezac 04-27-2009 07:51 PM

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Heck, I drove a stick, SS/K 283 in the 70's and 80's, without any electronics, just an Accel dual point distibuter, small gold coil, rapping near 10 grand on the old Moroso cable drive tach [which I still have,on my trophy shelf], won 2 Mile-high nationals, all with a total of about 5 grand in an old Chevy II sedan that I bought for 25 bucks. On top of that I only popped 3 engines in 20 years of racing small block stick cars. Of course at 70 years young, it's like the tee shirt my son got for me, that says "The older I get, the faster I was". Keep up all the good talk on this web site it's great entertainment for this old drag racer.
Eddie Rezac

X-TECH MAN 04-27-2009 08:15 PM

Re: NMCA Good OR BAD ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Urraco (Post 117595)
yea, thats it, lets all go back to the dark ages of drag racing. While we are at it, lets take out the tachs, line locks, inline shifters, ect.

Im ready if you are but it wont happen. Pandoras box has already been opened.

Ron Brown 04-27-2009 08:33 PM

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Larry, the stickers do have to be in certain area for contengencie( ?) money. Have been going to several of their races for the past few years and they run as good a show as you would ever want. they have several class' that your hot rod could fit in. So check it out, however this weekend in Bowling Green is setting up to be a wash out based on the coming weather.

Tod Lane 04-27-2009 08:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Urraco (Post 117595)
yea, thats it, lets all go back to the dark ages of drag racing. While we are at it, lets take out the tachs, line locks, inline shifters, ect.

nah, just back to the golden age, when PEOPLE drove the cars. I hope to try the NCMA soon.

Larry Hill 04-27-2009 08:38 PM

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Thanks everyone for the input if I can get my new rear end ratio in I will be there. Its only 145 miles, so long for now, got to go back to work.

treessavoy 04-27-2009 09:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KingReptile (Post 117574)
Lots Of Love Here


Not for someone with a closed mind and no manners!

treessavoy 04-27-2009 10:02 PM

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In the '60's and through the '70's I raced 4 speed Mopars with a slick shifted 883 with no electronics and never broke anything except rearends (8 3/4's) It was the best racing I have ever done.

I've raced with the NMCA guy's and what a great bunch. The racing is fun the people are great and there is good competition.

Doug's father, Dave, talked me into it and I wish I could thank him!

You'll have a good time, larry!

KingReptile 04-27-2009 10:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by treessavoy (Post 117628)
Not for someone with a closed mind and no manners!


NICE are u so sweet ..

bill dedman 04-27-2009 10:13 PM

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Eddie Rezac.... wow....

If not for you, and all your records in National Dragster, I'd never have known where WAHOO, NEBRASKA was!!! Seemed like you always held the record in whatever class you ran.... impressive!!!

It's great to see you on the board; now I'm not the oldest guy here (70 last Dec. 20.)

Don't be a stranger; you have a WEALTH of stories... I'm sure. I lived in Des Moines from '64 to '80, so I saw you race a lot...

Anyway, welcome to this board; it's a world apart... lol!

Bill

KingReptile 04-27-2009 10:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by james schaechter (Post 117585)
Tommy don't be too quick to Dis these old timers, in case you haven't checked we are already getting old enough to be the "new" old timers. LOL Some of these guys broke more parts than you could count. It scares the poop out of me when I race street car stickshifts. If it wasn't for your Dad, probably would be a lot less of us racing stickshifts.
Where you been hanging out? Thinking of dragging the Chevelle out again? I bet there are a couple of Div. 3 Moostangs that would be a heck of a match up with you. Shoot me an e mail let me know what you are up to. jimschaechter@earthlink.net


I dont know if i will drag out the Chevelle this year or not..I see theres a few mustangs out there in your division.I'll drop ya a line soon you can call me netime at the shop too :) I have one mustang in mind but that would take a 327 :P

Todd Hoven 04-27-2009 11:24 PM

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It sounds like a good time, but it is just a bracket race. Why drive hunderes of miles to go to a bracket race when there are local tracks for footbrake and no electronic racing , and S/SS races where we can run'em like we do in the NHRA and IHRA. What is different about this racing than everything else? Racing against old cars with 500 inch engines and dual quads? Whats makes it better? Can anyone explain this to me?

KingReptile 04-28-2009 01:29 AM

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Grabs some popcorn :)


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