A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class
 

Ok here goes

I have purposed to NHRA that in the Super Stock GT classes a new Option .

Allow any Foreign Body Such as Toyota, Nissan etc be allowed to run in The GT class with any Motor Combination .

All the rules are still the same .


Don Kennedy:):D:cool:

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Then I guess I could put a SBC combo into the new Mustang? Sweet, now the the transformation into a bracket class will be complete. BTW Don, you were just kidding?

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I disagree Don! They shouldn't allow foreign cars in Super Stock.......period!

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I disagree with the swapping motors but have you ever seen how these import guys drive. let them run.

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How's about a BBC in an old Amphicar?Or one of the retro Citreon C2V tin boxes?Or a small block in a Messershmitt 3 wheeler?Or how about this, an all alum. 500" Indy block and Indy head AMC in Jack's GTO. Nah,waste of a good engine combo.

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Since the GT cars have shipping weight as a function of classification, you'd have to have the shipping weight of all the foreign cars involved.

Getting the shipping weight on q 1976 Datsun 260Z might be a problem...... or the shipping weights of any and all of the foreign cars that could participate.

NHRA is not the most pro-active information gatherer out there, as you may have noticed.

Other than that, I can't see what difference it would make as to the country of origin as long as it has an American engine.

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You've been in the sun too long!!! You already have that option Super Street, Super Gar or Super Comp

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I'll add my change. Keep the motor/body from same corporation but drop the V8 requirement. Hmmm Mustang turbo motor in a 2000 lb Pinto. I'd go for that.

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Don

You have way to much time on your hands....

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Or an SRT4 motor in a RWD Neon

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This is an idea i have been thinking about for a long time. The reason to do this are many and could just about help everyone involved in Super Stock racing as well as NHRA .

New Blood in using the new bodies .Even the ricers would like to run a rear wheel rice car in Super Stock with a real American engines of their choice

Will the American factories be around in the performance end of autos in the future is something to think about

Could the World Auto companies be used to produce more income for NHRA in even pro stock

Would this idea open up a whole new financial package for racers in building race cars, in sponsoring racers and even sponsoring events.

This idea is so simple all NHRA has to do is approve the body styles with the weights and the rest of the GT rules will apply , and are in place already such as HP on engine combinations and specs.

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Don:
Don't know what you're smoking, but when you fell down, you hit your head!

American cars and American engines, Period.

FJ

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Don;
The sooner you come back to reality and face the fact that the car companies,NHRA,IHRA to a point,
spectators,some sponsors,local governments and some racers couldn't give two *hits about S/SS racing then you will realise that we are on borrowed time.In time NASCAR and other forms of motorsports will
go the way of the dodo and carrier pigeon.Something else will come along.
I didn't race much in the 60's but I saw enough to he happy I lived through times we will never see again.
Not beating on you,I enjoyed the few telephone conversations I've had with you.And I think the world of Katie.At a certain point in life we just have to chasing our past.

Ed

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x-2!!!!!!!

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Don,

I wish you well on your thoughts, but I'm still waiting for the import lovers to prove in stock eliminator that they're as good as "Car and Dipstick", plus "Consumer Retards" thinks they are. There's only one import that has chosen to run with either of our categories, and I applaud Scott for bringing his 9sec Toyota out to play with us Detroiter's...I actually found out who he is although he appeared wanting only to see who I was, and talk to the fellow racer that was hanging out with me in staging prior to a Fri. aft run at the Jegs Pacific Sportsnationals...I wanted to make his acquaintance, but did he mine??? Oh, and btw, just in case anyone may have taken humor by my cars failure to start a second time after another car caused me to have to shut mine down in the burnout box, the problem child (my starter) was the original one placed in the car when built back in '85-'86, so it was about time...I just wish it didn't have to be at that time! :(

I take back nothing I've said in any previous posts I made about foreign products, because I'm still waiting to see Toyota Tundras hauling inclosed trailers with race cars, etc. in them...or Toyota Tacoma's towing 2600lb race cars on a 1600lb flat-bed car hauler, like my Chevy Colorado (with an inline 5cyl engine), has done since 2005, and they have a supposedly more powerful V6 engine than my 220hp 5cyl, or the newer (2007 and up) models 242hp version!!!

I've looked in the stock car class guide to see what import makers have cars that could run in stock, and they're the '06-'07 Honda Civic's (with manual trannies), and the '91 Mitsubishi Mighty Max truck (either manual or auto). So how about it you import lovers who own those types of vehicles...where are they??? I'm calling you out...as the movie "The Warriors" said, "come out and plaaeeaaay"!!!!

Bottom line Don, I think you're dreaming...but what good is living if you don't have dreams, right???

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Please, lets not allow those car into Super Stock !!! They have been infiltrating everything.. Lets keep it limited to American Cars. Thanks to them we are Losing Pontiac next year... What next??

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I'll pass on the foreign cars, but how about the great ole american wagon in GT!! Could somebody tell me why wagons aren't allowed in GT?

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I couldn't agree with you more bud, but I can't blame the products themselves, as much as I blame our government for rolling out the red carpet for them....by doing things such as lifting the tariffs that once were charged to all imported products (even when there was proven evidence that free trade went one way in Japan, by a Washington envoy to Japan..circa 1991 Associated Press), or letting them build manufacturing plants here in our country so as to free themselves from the tariffs by calling their products American (since they were built here)? Yeah right, built with parts that were imported from their true country of origin---the LAND OF THE RISING YEN!!! Furthermore, I would blame those millions of people who seem to feel that no-longer can their "Fellow American's" design, engineer, and build quality cars and trucks for our everyday usage---imagine telling your sons and daughters that because they are Americans, they can't produce a usable product as good/better than the Asian & European countries can...that's essentially what those of them who patronized (then/now) those companies instead of ours have done!!! I personally challenged a Washington spokesperson back in the early '90's who dared to come out to one of my communities schools to have us parents steer our children to service oriented jobs, because the manufacturing base was going overseas!!! WHAT A COPOUT!!!
I'll BE DAMNED IF I WAS GOING TO TELL MY CHILDREN THAT CRAP!!!

I'll tell you this, if I would've won a decent part of that mega-million lottery from last year, I sure would've tried to revitalize the "Timex" watch/clock company, and/or our former American tv makers "Zenith", "Magnavox", or "RCA"...remember them???

THIS COUNTRY WE LOVE DIDN'T BECOME SUCH BECAUSE OF "MADE IN JAPAN", OR ANYWHERE ELSE, "AMERICA EXISTS BECAUSE OF MADE IN THE USA", AND AMERICAN PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME!!!!

Now you all know another reason I feel the way I do about imports...that's my take, what's yours???

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Ok I see some issues. I now have to ask the question about the present cars like the GTO in pro stock or any of the last two to three years car models is where are they build?

The next Question I need answered is will the American car companies in the Future really care about performance?

The next question I have to ask is where will the new racers come from?
Or what type of car would they like to race?

Where is any money going to come from to support Super Stock racing?

Where is the Money going to come from to support NHRA sportsman in the future ?

hmm there are NO American car companies now or in the future going to support the performance end of Super stock in my opinion heck they may not even be around as we used to know them

Why would anyone be scared of the new body styles?

The American engines will be in the new body styles,especillay since there are no engines even remotely known in the foreign cars for any specs or power ?

I remember well when i wrote the GT rules and submitted them to NHRA in the early 80's via thru Zimmerman to Dave Danish there were the same concerns about Super Stock racing then (look at the results of my action a very sucessful GT racing class)and Now i say we must move forward or be left behind for ever.

FJ a new surge in car builders building race cars .

another question I just about bet a huge amount of cars and parts of cars are being build out of the USA . We can do nothing about it any more so we must adapt.

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I think Im gonna PUKE !

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That is just plain STUPID!

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I believe that the GREEN move will eventually be the biggest battle for motorsports as we no them. Maybe a good proposal would be E85 or pump gas as an excepted fuel for s/ss.
With all the combined classes in stock makes for some great racing lots of heads up! Super stock could use some of that.
I think the proposal is too watered down and insulting to all the OEMs. There are many classes for such combos. (Super pro)

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Colin said”
"Think the proposal is too watered down and insulting to all the OEMs"

I can address the oems comment by a good friend Colin . let me look at the oem Blocks , ok let me see the Bow tie block never was a production block in a chevy > the Mopar Blocks with the Mopar part number were never a oem block in a production car and I just may be right but the some fords blocks being used these days were never a production block in a car , humm I will ask Robert Pond if his block was available in a production car ..

Shain Blair said "That is just plain STUPID! "
Explain this comment I am confused about this ?

X tech man said " think Im gonna PUKE !"

why would you not be concerned about the future of Super Stock racing > i am confused about this comment also

GTO said Please, lets not allow those car into Super Stock !!! They have been infiltrating everything.. Lets keep it limited to American Cars. Thanks to them we are Losing Pontiac next year... What next?? "

i say what part of a new GTO was build in the USA ? I am also confused about this comment

mark said "Don

You have way to much time on your hands..
Don says "right "..

FYI all just needs to know all I care about is Stockers and Super Stockers
__________________



Now in this discussion so far no one has answered any of the questions I have asked?

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[QUOTE=Don Kennedy

X tech man said " think Im gonna PUKE !"

why would you not be concerned about the future of Super Stock racing > i am confused about this comment also

Its not that we dont have enought car bodies to build.....The problem is where is the new blood going to come from??? Its the drivers/buildrers/engine builders/and so on and thier AGE that is "killing" the stock and S/S classes. That and the fact that NHRA and IHRA does NOTHING to promote the class. Adding foriegn car bodies wont cure anything. That and the fact that its way to expensive for the younger generation to just jump in and play. Most of the young drivers today are off spring of all of us old farts from the car era of the 50's and 60's and early 70's. The young people want less BS (tear downs) so they run the 90 classes and they get to go fast without all of the BS that goes with a class car..

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AND I supose YOU invented the Front to Rear Wheel Drive Coversion cars also??????.. YOU have been reading your own Press Relases and now beleive THEM???

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It seems as though the import craze may have began to die down anyway. With the abandonment of the NOPI series and the NHRA sport compact series, I don't think there is enough for anyone to worry about.
As far as I am concerned, for the most part, these guys and girls like to come run their cars on test/tune and or street nights, or import nights. The tracks that have alot of these cars in their area already have races set up to cater to that crowd. Infact, they probably make a good sum of money on it.

These people are into NOS, electronics, and stereos. Not normally aspirated SBC's.

Usually, these guys come with a car full. I seriously doubt they will spend $35-40 per day to pay admission to get into a track, or come to a three day race where there is alot of downtime. (IE no concerts, bikini contests, stereo crank competitions, etc). I am not putting anyone down, I just think it is a different crowd.

I seriously doubt there are too many younger people out there that want to put a V-8 in a datsun, or whatever, search for the parts, fabricate all the adaptors, and spend the money to make it run. It is just a different generation.

My opinion, these cars don't have a place in super stock and I don't think anyone will have to worry about it.
This downturn in the economy will pass, American autos will make a comeback and this past couple years will just be another page in history and economic books.

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New Dodge Challenger and the Chevy Camaro are both built in Canada so I guess they are Imports :confused:.....At least the Mustang is still built in the USA. Oh yea, and these Toyotas and Nissans that most still consider to be imports, actually most of them are built in the USA by employed American people.

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Ralph Blue oval ::eek: said "AND I supose YOU invented the Front to Rear Wheel Drive Coversion cars also??????.. YOU have been reading your own Press Relases and now beleive THEM???"


Poor ralph has nothing of substance to add or discuss the subject so he begines to attack personally which is funny to me .:p

Don says:I think not sure but FJ Smith I believe was the first one to build a front wheel conversion Super Stocker after the new GT classes rules were approved by NHRA. FJ was the pioneer of the front wheel conversions and build a lot of Super Stockers since then . I sumitted a notebook with the new GT rules . i received a lot of help from other racers when i wrote the rules and am Glad NHRA accepted them ,and now you know the rest of the story no big deal




Terry (x-techman said "Its not that we dont have enought car bodies to build

Terry the new cars are heavy as far as weight . (see weight for the fords ,camaros and the challengers)Clay Arnett said the weights for these cars is
Mustang GT500 3,920lb
Camaro SS 3,860lb
Challenger SRT8 4,140lb


Chris 1529 You have some good comments and I hope this happens Chris said"This downturn in the economy will pass, American autos will make a comeback and this past couple years will just be another page in history and economic books"

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Opps looks like we now have a foreign company in Drag racing

President b o announced Thursday a merger between Italy's Fiat and stricken US auto giant Chrysler, which is filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy after debt-restructuring talks collapsed. :mad::p:(:eek:

Now what ??? to all those who are against any foreign company in Drag racing hmm interesting

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The grudge type racing at the local tracks usually get a lot of young people out. They just don't want to race with shoe polish on the windows because its not drag racing. If you have to cross the finish line at a predermined time its not racing its just a timed contest.

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Well said... agree 100%...
And to Don Kennedy, This is just how I feel, and no one has to like it or agree with me its just how I feel.. Right or wrong its how I feel..
Yes I know the new GTO was not built here... But the profits from the sales of a Pontiac would end up with a American Company... Supporting American family's, American Jobs... Bottom line ends up in USA...
21,000 jobs at the factory level being cut, due to the closing of Pontiac. Not to mention all the suppliers that are going to have to lay off workers. Even tire manufactures will be cutting back on workers... no need for that many tires next year no Pontiacs to put them on...

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Don, there is an old Country & Western song "What Part of No Don't You Understand" which I will send you a copy.

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Now can I build that Fiat 850 GT/A car with the SRT8 Hemi I've been daydreaming about ever since I hear that Mopar was gonna merge with Fiat???

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Amen Brother!!!

Besides, I work for one of GM's suppliers, so I understand that all too well....

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Jeff: Believe me I get it for sure big time “ BUT” but I am not sure others see what I see ,hey I could be wrong but most likely not(in my opinion of course LOL at me )

If the American Car Companies are no longer are involved in Racing Then What???

Who will support Super Stock or even Pro Stock racing ??

Heck Pontiac is No longer around so what happens to The Pontiac Pro Stock Cars?

If Chevy is no longer involved in Racing then what ??

If Mopar is no longer involved in Drag Racing then what ???

Does anyone else have a plan to keep Super Stock racing going?

Or does everyone think The American Car Companies will still be involved?

I think they will drop the Performance end of all of the American Car Companies big time oh wait Pontiac is toast, Chevy has no ,zero plan to even be concerned about performance so far only a overweight Camaro and now Chrysler is owned by a foreign car company ???

Now Ford is on top of the performance plan which is good for racing .

So all of us don’t like the idea of just using another body style to use in Super Stock , this is not a good thing in my opinion cause soon all our cars will be not even sold to the public in any way, even the names will be gone so open up the options of at least using a body that is being sold on Monday after we raced it on Sunday as a options for racers to do

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Its time for superstock/ GT to evolve. People who are racing these WRX's, SRT 4's, and EVO's have money and spend it. Change the rules for GT and allow 4 and 6 cylinder turbo engines to run. Sooner or later this will happen so why not allow it now? Another problem is these import drivers probably know very little if any at all about stock or super stock. Talk to these people at local bracket races and try to get them interested and involved. They'd be a great addition to the stock/superstock classes. :)

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Don,

You are not all there and your posts in this thread show that. Non USA cars in Stock and Super Stock. Give me a break. Do you know anything about these cars? Do you know anybody that does that can tech them? You are absolutely lost. Just my opinion-but for a long time Pontiac racer to say what you said you have lost your mind. I thought better of you than that. I don't anticipate posting on this thread any further as this thread takes the cake for talking out your rear end.

Steve

A long time fan of you and your efforts. Not anymore....

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F----Fixed
I-----It
A---Again
T----Today

If it could have been done without many hardworking people losing their jobs, I would have soon they would have folded than to have another foreign country buying another chunk of America.

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Twin turbo Supra :D

Nissan 370R :D

Subaru WR4

There's moe. Built to race, they wouldn't go any faster with a cross-over engine. Probably slow 'em down.

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Don,
The post shows you are still a Drag Racer at Heart and you would like to see it live on. Problem is the life or death of S and SS racing will be based on the Racer population and their life expectancy. With the issues facing the Manufacturers, the economy and lets not forget the total arrogance of NHRA and its lack of touch the racing as you and I love it is about gone. Unfortunately your idea favors more of NHRAs dilution of competition,not strengthening it. More combos, less monitoring of tech, more out of game combos with bogus capability. More dis satisfaction with rules and action by NHRA.
NEXT idea?