Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

I would like to know what is the difference between Fred Henson's Hemi and the West Coast car. Fred ran 9.89 in A/SA and got 3.25% HP. -1200 ft DA or better and tailwind. I guess maybe the North West guys are better than the South Central guys? And if weight was in fact manipulated before the scales in Division 4, instant out of the race and out for 2 years minimum. The West Coast run was also in excess of 1.40 under if the Comp Altitude Adjustment was used (as recommended by the S/SS committee) in S/SS instead of the factors we are stuck with. Something is wrong here.

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

Here is what is listed on the Div site.

STOCK ELIMINATOR
1) Hal Sorensen, Vancouver, Wash., '69 Camaro, B/SA, 10.159 seconds, -1.771 (under index)
2) Bill Edgeworth, Tacoma, Wash., '77 Firebird, K/SA, 11.658, -1.722
3) Steve Wann, Modesto, Calif., '73 Dart, F/SA, 11.000, -1.550
4) Wesley Libby, Mead, Wash., '71 Challenger, B/SA, 10.418, -1.512
5) Glenn Person, Regina, Sask., '70 Challenger, C/SA, 10.590, -1.500
6) Tommy Gaynor, Vancouver, Wash., '98 Camaro, C/SA, 10.600, -1.490
7) John Hill, Fairbanks, Alaska, '86 Camaro, H/SA, 11.379, -1.481
8) Richie Pauley, Newhall, Calif., '68 Mustang, C/SA, 10.615, -1.475
9) Jim Mantle, Black Creek, B.C., '79 Pacer Wgn, V/SA, 14.876, -1.444
10) Tibor Kadar, Peoria, Ariz., '67 Camaro, D/SA, 10.829, -1.411

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

BOISE, Idaho - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Northwest Division, 39th Annual NAPA Auto Parts Ignitor event, presented by Dan Wiebold Ford, at Firebird Raceway:
Weather conditions: air temperature 69 degrees, relative humidity 27 percent, barometer 27.28 inches, adjusted altitude 3,879 feet, track temperature 93 degrees.



Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 633 B/SA Hal Sorensen, Vancouver WA, '69 Camaro 10.142 11.93 -1.788
2 6471 K/SA Bill Edgeworth, Tacoma WA, '77 Firebird 11.658 13.38 -1.722
3 7980 F/SA Steve Wann, Modesto CA, '73 Dart 11.000 12.55 -1.550
4 6149 B/SA Wesley Libby, Mead WA, '71 Challenger 10.418 11.93 -1.512
5 6300 C/SA Glenn Person, Regina SK, '70 Challenger 10.590 12.09 -1.500


And what about this?Is this the missing 18 minutes of tape from the Nixon White House??????????



Ed F.

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

did'nt make weight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

Why??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????
Water condition?

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

You should ask one A/SA racer from NC what he thinks about Hensons run. Total BS.

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

Why??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????
Water condition?


who cares! if he done something illegal then he should be suspended!! if he crossed scale and did not make weight the run does not count!!

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

If he didn't make weight due to the fact that the radiator was emptied don't you think that's a rule infraction that needs to be addressed.
All that's required is a simple yes or no.Not a lawyer answer.
Why didn't the final qualifying sheet show the DQ for the final run?Answer anyone?
Ed

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Junior said: "if he done (sic) something illegal then he should be suspended!! If he crossed scale and did not make weight the run does not count!!"

That's pretty simple logic...

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

Biill,

AHFS rules don't say anything about weight. They say you go 1.40 under the sea level index you get 3.25% HP period. If you are dumb enough to run your car light and go 1.40 under then you probably deserve a bigger hit than that. Hensen didn't weigh, no fuel check, and no tear down to verify legal motor. He got 15 HP the following Monday. Sorenson should get the same and a vacation for altering weight after the run before the scales. They are not novice racers and know better than to do what they did.

Dave Schmitz

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Ed said

"If he didn't make weight due to the fact that the radiator was emptied don't you think that's a rule infraction that needs to be addressed"

YES! But he should never been allowed to cross the scale at that point!

Automatic suspension! If this happened

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Then we agree.Okey dokey.

Ed

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OLD GUY said


AHFS rules don't say anything about weight. They say you go 1.40 under the sea level index you get 3.25% HP period. If you are dumb enough to run your car light and go 1.40 under then you probably deserve a bigger hit than that. Hensen didn't weigh, no fuel check, and no tear down to verify legal motor. He got 15 HP the following Monday. Sorenson should get the same and a vacation for altering weight after the run before the scales. They are not novice racers and know better than to do what they did.


Agree 110%

I thought Hensen's deal was bad, not because I didnt think it needed to get hit but because he didnt complete the run by weighing and passing fuel check! Run should have been thrown out! Suspended?

My logic or common sense tells me that in order to complete a run and get credit for that run you need to at the very least pass weight and fuel. This should not have to be spelled out in the rule book. Anything else is up to NHRA as to what they may want to inspect

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

Sorry I just c&p'd but I did pass 4th grade the 2nd try

No calling crap as I was'nt there This is why I use the word (if) in alot of my statements!

ps if you was (oops) were talking to me!

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I is a high skool graduat.

Ed

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I don't have any opinions...I wasn't there and its none of my business...

What I can offer to the discussion is that in Comp, when one hits their index permanent - win or lose - one gets weighed, fuel checked, and pumped.

A permanent and immediate HP hit in Stock or SS would seem, at least to me, to be the same thing as a permanent index adjustment in Comp. Therefore, simple Vulcan logic would dictate...

I will add that I cannot find anything in the rulebook that states one can't bail weight out before the scales. That said, I don't see where it says one can't add weight either. It just says "under no circumstances may a competitor reject scaling his or her vehicle or fuel check."

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Dan -- You make some valid points except your last paragraph -- forget the Rulebook -- simple logic takes over -- if you and I run heads-up is it okay for me to add 300 lbs.before I get on the scales ? I think not ........That said its not OK to take weight out either -- you should scale at the weight you went down the track with . Anything else is not in the spirit of the rules ...............

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Trust me
Dan Knows DRAG RACING!

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I also have no business in commenting on the topic, but I wanted to add my opinion regarding the end of Dan's post..

NHRA's rulebook is in need of a serious facelift. In 2009, it should reflect the sign of the times, including the mighty advancements made by all competitors in Drag Racing today. An example of a well written and thorough rulebook would be the current USGA rulebook for Golf. It covers every angle imaginable to create the most fair and level playing field possible. It does not, however, include crude sketches of valve grind details and driver harnesses from 1968, or whenever that was first done.

It would be nice to see a completely new "book" from NHRA. There are too many gray areas that result in situations where no one is a winner.

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I dont care one way or another as I dont run this combo. But you guys now wonder why NHRA and IHRA love the 90 classes and Top Dragster/Top Sportsman. As a former track operator I can tell you this is nothing but fuel on a candle. Why have a fire when we can burn a candle. Think about that one. I know you guys are pissed, BUT NOONE HAS OFFICIALLY SAID IF HE DRAINED THE WATER TO BE LIGHT OR NOT.

Dan I know of a past comp world champ and current engine builder that would put his driving suit in the tow vehicle and drain the water to keep from getting a perm. hit years ago. This is nothing new it just got attention now.

Herb Jr

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Why do racers put themselves in these situations and force NHRA to make tough/unpopular decisions?

If racers just follow the rules and normal procedures they have done for years, then they wouldn't find themselves in these situations.

If he did infact drain the radiator, this is not the "normal" procedures and it was done to avoid HP. This is going to force NHRA to come up with another rule and/or make an unpopular decision. But who forced NHRA to do this?????

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

Jack,

obviously, one isn't allowed to alter the weight of the vehicle - either way - prior to scaling. I'm simply stating that the rulebook doesn't call out that point. I know how to put a seatbelt on, too, but the airline still tells me every time...

Two good points were then made. Pare is right, we need a rulebook that stipulates every possible situation, because if someone thinks they can get over on the system, they'll try. And Herb is right, that's why NHRA will eventually tire of our bull**** and just run .90 and Top whatever...

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

"Vulcan logic" Dan now that's funny.

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Rule would be nice but supervision better. I ran class once at the US nationals and my competetor ran without water in his radiator to save HP of fan/Pump. He just acted suprised as he walked to the faucet with the water jug he just happened to have in the car on the run. Result he won class with his fastest run of class.

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

1 633 B/SA Hal Sorensen, Vancouver WA, '69 Camaro 10.142 11.93 -1.788 EQUAL = -1.408 Sea Level


For WHAT REASON who know's


1st pass was - 1.395 under sea level
2nd pass was - 1.25? under """""""""
3rd pass was - 1.408 under """""""""

WHY???????????????????????????????????????????????

Go Figure out why anyone woulld do that.. Rule book states - 1.40 under pull piston and head


I am TOTALLY CONFUSED

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

Did the run count or not?????????????

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

what combo was it???

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Who's on first?

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What's on second?

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I don't know is center field.

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I dont know who the hell is on 3rd???

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427/425 iron head is rounding third and heading home! Will he make it or get thrown out????

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Dick
I don't know is on third base.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M

This is better than arguing about AHFSs,dropping water,acid heads,top rings,deep staging,blinders,etc etc etc etc............................................... .........

Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson
 

Who is on 1st
What is on 2nd
I don't know is on 3rd
Why is in left field
Because is in center
Pitcher is tomorrow
Today is catching
I don't give a damn is the short stop

They never mentioned the right fielder

Ron Ortiz
U/SA DQ em all