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They announced this afternoon at Topeka that Larry Morgan will switch to Ford by the end of this season.
They didn't specifically say Pro but what else would Larry switch to?

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I can't believe you guys didn't hear they approved the CobraJet engine for Pro Stock. It must have more than the 425 they factored it.....


Couldn't resist stirring the pot with you guys

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Yes, he will be in P/S.

Saw an article that Ford has been allowed to downsize the Mustang body and it is as aerodynamic as a GXP.

Wonder if Mopar will get to scale down a Challenger?

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Where's the "STOCK" part????

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What type of engine can they use? There's no way a 4.6 will go to 500ci and will they allow ohc motors, Hell they might just bolt on fat tires and change the blower and run funny car!

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I don't think the Chevy guys would go for those 4-valve cylinder heads OR the blower!!!

They're funny that way... just ask Buddy Ingersoll... LOL!

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You all forget John Force has been building a Ford motor.

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I love the people on here that post something negative on every subject. Why do you continue to do something you hate, or at least by most peoples post on here you would think they hate it. I met Larry at a local track in 1989, he parked next to me at a regular Test and Tune, very nice guy and I hope he does good iwth the program

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P/S specifically prohibits forced induction, but with a genuine part number, it'd be hard to outlaw the OHC heads unless they add a clause requiring PUSHROD engines. Even so, I seriously doubt the 4.6 could compete with 500ci engines. My guess is they'll simply wuse a "small" IHRA P/S motor as many still run "Ford" in IHRA P/S.
Now taking this a step further, why couldn't they bore & stroke a 5.4 out to say 427 cubes, use the OHC heads, REALLY lighten the car & go P/S racing. There's NOTHING really "stock" about P/S anymore anyhow:( so why not engineer a car most of us would consider an F/X car anyway?

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What Motor is in Erica Enders Car?'

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According to Morgan's interview last night during Topeka qualifying they i.e. Ford and himself are going to do a "DRCE" type program to develop a new engine. He didn't mention anyone else being involved in the project but I'm sure the list of participants ought to be pretty good.

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Here is some background information. Brian Wolfe, the president of Ford Racing, and Mose Nowland, the chief engineer, have been working with the Jim Cunningham/Erica Enders Ford Pro Stock team since early this year. The objectives were twofold: to develop a new block and heads to make competitive Pro Stock horsepower, and to develop the 2010 Mustang body to be aerodynamically competitive in Pro Stock. The engine is the same 500 inch Ford wedge design that is currently in the Cunningham/Enders car; just with significant upgrades to the block and heads. The redesigned 2010 Mustang body was recently in the wind tunnel and, reportedly, the numbers were competitive with the GXP.
Evidently, Larry Morgan was sufficiently impressed to decide to switch to Ford for 2010. The uncertainty with Dodge and GM may also have affected his decision. Morgan will also work with Ford racing on this project, and Competitionplus.com had an interview with Bob Glidden who said that he had a 3 - 4 hour phone conversation with Brian Wolfe and Mose Nowland concerning the design of the new block and heads. Morgan hopes to have an engine ready for testing around Indy time.
Hope this clears up some misconceptions.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct.

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The rules in Pro-Stock did read at one time Single Camshaft only not sure it is still there ! Which would not allow a OHC

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A lot of this is incorect!!!!!!!!!!

Brian Wolfe, the president of Ford Racing,
Real

Brian Wolfe
Director, North America Motorsports
Ford Motor Company

Mose Nowland, the chief engineer
Real
Mose Nowland is Motorsports Engineer

The engine is the same 500 inch Ford wedge design that is currently in the Cunningham/Enders car; just with significant upgrades to the block and heads

Real
There is a NEW engine design on the board!!!!!!!

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P/S is pushrod motors only. No OHC allowed.

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Okay, so they'll use an IHRA type P/S motor or do further R&D on Ford's new NASCAR engine, add a drag-race cam & a sheetmetal intake to it & there you have it! A high RPM, deep breathing, durable engine done at the expense of NASCAR with relativly little R&D required & a proven shortblock. I'm a Mopar fan but you really can't fault the game-plan.............

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I am not sure that is the game plan,Darin Morgan had a large part in designing the new head, which was funded privately,and will carry a Ford part number. Check the link below, not much of a Nascar connection.

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13028

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From what I've seen also Ford is not investing a whole lot in this deal. Seems to be more Cunningham's baby.

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Lookiing at the "Speedtalk" thread, it looks like some of what I predicted is coming true.. Nothing really new there except there are a few new players. Old heads (refined) IHRA technology, Ford part numbers. Doesn't sound like anything a a rich Ford fanatic couldn't pull off with a little politic-ing and some time in a machine shop.
I'm glad it's happening--it's about time "they" statr putting realistic pieces in cars instead of one-off stuff presented as "stock"
Oh, I know the parts are rare & extremely expensive, but at least they're not ntouchable

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Wow, I'm scratching my head and laughing at the same time wondering if you are for real? if so, you need to quit while you're behind. Neither scenario, as you attempted to describe it, is happening. The IHRA head/valvetrain are way to big and bulky. The new Ford NASCAR engine has 4.500" bore spacing, how are you going to get a 4.700" bore piston in that one with "relativly little R&D required"?

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Hemicop, IHRA Fords use a Boss 429 style head which is nothing like the new head being developed. In case you haven't noticed NHRA cars are 500 CI, IHRA cars are 815 CI, the only thing similar would the name on the valve covers.

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Simple --- shrink the specs of the old Boss or the old "465" (?) head, use the new Nascar block. The point I was trying to make is that with the new Nascar motor, which according to Hot Rod Magizine is already developed,all that's left is to develop a top-end which Ford has plenty of experience in P/S with both Hemi-type & wedge heads. I KNOW you couldn't simply do an R&R for the top-end of an IHRA motor. AGAIN, the point is, alot of the technolgy is already out there so they're not really developing a "new" motor

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I agree with everything you said. I just hate as a Mopar guy to lose Larry. :o

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You are no longer a MOPAR man. You are now a Fiat man. I think the whole pro stock playing field is about to change. Let's see what happens without GM and Chrysler corporate cash. How many racers can compete on their own dime. I will be surprised if Fiat has any interest in PRO STOCK and Government Motors will have it's own set of problems for racing. JMO.

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Brian Wolfe's and Mose Nowland's titles are basically a matter of semantics, and are not important in the overall scheme of things. I was incorrect concerning the new engine design; other than that, what I posted was much closer to the truth than most of the other stuff that I read on this thread. Judging by your username, you are a Ford fan, I have been a diehard Ford fan since 1964; we are on the same side.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct.

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True. Guess Ford will once again be competitive in PS.

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Ford Racing is having a get together for all racers this weekend at Joliet. They are supposed to talk about the New Pro Stock engine, so maybe everyone that is just speculating on what is involved, will be able to find out some real information. For more information check out the sticky at the top of the Stock and Super Stock Forum page.