Selecting the first few pairings to run
 

At Joliet,they called the left side of the ladder for first round.Then they called the right side.
I was on the right side and ended up being in the first pair out for first round.
While I don't really care,there seems to be several drivers that like to "hang back" and see how everybody is running to decide on their dial-in.
This is probably a good strategy,but somebody has to be first.
I was at a Division 5 race last year where the first three pair to run were randomly chosen and it was noted on the ladder.Just wondering if anybody thinks this is a good idea?
I actually wanted to be first because the Perfectly Strange money was up to about $1500.(missed it by .004)I don't think anybody won it yet,so there is some big money up for grabs at Englishtown.

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its always the same people hanging back, they (tracks) need to go back to "the days" when there was chains that went across each lane, if you wasn't in the lanes 10 minutes after the call, to bad you was done.

I know one thing I would NOT put up with it at all at one of our Buckeye races unless I knew they was working on it trying to make the round.

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As long as they dont delay the race, but, I was at a race years ago when they made last call for SS qualifiing then they closed the lanes. When the first SS car went down out of over 100 the chain was pulled. probably 30 cars didnt make the run.

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Good thing there is a ladder at least in place. If there wasn't a ladder, there would be alot of duck hunting (I'd be a target) going on at National and Divisional events. I know that there are some racers that come into the lanes purposely late so that they are getting as much information as possible before putting their "guess" on the back window. Don't know if you should applaud them or penilize them.
Casey Miles
248H

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It's not all about dial-ins and sitting back waiting to make sure you're dialed right. Most of the time, the predictor is accurate enough not to worry about that, however, mother nature does throw a curveball at you from time to time. For us, it's about the track. It seems NHRA stops the show after whatever "super" category runs directly in front of us. Then, they prep and spray the track. In our experience, being first out of the gate, the car tends to spin and doesn't repeat. We hate seeing the sprayer when we're next. After one or two pair, it's back to normal. This, quite possibly, is just us, but I imagine the automatic cars don't experience this.

Just my 2 cents.

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Very, Very Good Point,



Stephen Johnson#2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

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When I was running both Stock and Super Stock last year, there were several occasions that I got back from my Stock run, and they were already calling Super Stock. I did my logbook, weather, checked over the Super Stocker, and headed for the lanes... and was afraid I might be late. Nope, first pair out, time after time. It's really pretty ridiculous.

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I understand Mr. Voth's point of view on the spraying. Only thing it is the opposite for me, I actually slow down due to the adhesivesness.

In terms of when I get to the lanes after they call varies. Knowing that we run at 8:00 AM, I will try to be the first pair out in qualifing to duplicate the air when eliminations start on Saturday. I will try to get my last qualifing run as late as possible to simulate the air change during the day.

During eliminations some drivers want to be late due to the suns glare on the tree or early latter on the day to avoid dusk.

I have been bitten too many times by watching what other cars do to adjust my dial. I have learned to just trust my own weather prediction. So therefore my arrival time in the lanes is of little importance.

There are many racers on this forum. What are their reasons for different arrival times. Lets hear it.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date

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In Div. 6 they pick 3 racers at random in stock and super stock. They are picked in order they are the first 3 with their opponents that get to go down the track in eliminations. No arguing that way. I think it is a good system.

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One particular driver who has won many national events always lays back and generally is in the last two pairs out. We noticed this and watched at a couple years of national events and came to this conclusion. He doesn't want to be fast so he and his crew watch intently as to what is transpiring. You couldn't talk to that guy even if he shoe was on fire. He is watching with purpose. We also noticed this: If the session is close to dark, he is the first pair or second pair out without fail. Why? He hates driving at night and his stellar driving at day becomes horrendous at night. Some know of who I refer to and others will figure it out at the races. Suffice to say, if you have to race the guy at night, just be somewhat on time and watch it happen before your eyes.

Steve

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Um, when they call us to the lanes, I go to the lanes. -=shrug=- Funny, I thought that's what we were supposed to do.

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You tried to be last and look what happened. You are not trying hard enough. Go get another car and try it again.LOL

Steve

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When the first pair in the class goes down the track, the staging lanes for that catagory should be closed. Only exception is if the tech in charge of staging lanes has been notified that a car is thrashing to make the call. Very simple and the way it was done for years. I remember the signs that stated left or right lane. When turned around, on the back they said "Closed". Also remember the chains that Nitro Joe talked about. Twice last year I was told by tech that I had a break bye and to get in a certain lane. Not that I MIGHT have a break bye. In past years, if tech had been notified you would be told "your opponent is broke but is working on it and might be late. If he shows its a race". Pretty simple if you ask me. Don't need all the tricks but not afraid to use a few of my own if needed.

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At the Topeka Ks National event in round 2 or 3 the Super Stock class was run after Super Gas instead of before as it was scheduled because the Super Stock cars were not showing up to run.
That then threw the Super Gas class into a short setup time for paring, for tires, etc. to get ready to go.
I say if you are not in the lanes when your class is run you are out. NO EXCEPTIONS
Why should one class be coddled at the expense of another no matter which class is next in line?
My 2 Cents

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This happens in several of the classes....last weekend in Joliet....the super gassers were in the lanes but nobody wanted to go first...(including me)....the super stockers were there also....but didn't want to go up in case they put them ahead of the super gassers that wouldn't go up.....I think selecting a random first couple of pairs would fix this situation....I don't like to be in the first couple of pairs simply because I don't like to be rushed getting my stuff on....but if you were selected randomly you would have to go....I know we've talked about it for years.....

Rock

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I think it would only take one or two times to tell those dozen or so in SS & Stock (names of players are all the same people all the time ummmm) that hey your to late, have a nice day and I think there would be no more problems. I'm sure who they are paired up with would second me on it as i know very many has told me how pissed they get waiting for these drivers.

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I can understand if someone is running two classes and still in in both when it gets to be a hot lap and they are calling you to the lanes in the other class before you run the other class. That causes late arrivals and can be figured out.
However, at Topeka that was not the case. The Super Stockers were just not willing to go run as scheduled. The whole group should be tossed if no one is willing to go not just move on to the next class.
In Las Vegas at the National event this spring 3rd round was the same in Super Gas until they picked a random pair to run first. At that point when the first pair went up all the others followed.
Just post on the ladder who will be the first pair out in each round and it takes the guess work out.
My 2 Cents

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Joe is right Start tossing them! If it's a huge problem running two cars....... don't run two cars! This is a problem that is getting worse not better. It's very simple, did you come to race or not? Some call it a head game, I call it disrespect to your fellow racer. When you are called, go to the lanes or go home! SS Engine Guy has it right. Jim