Would you take the numbers out????
 

My friend who shall remain nameless "Pete Sanca" had a very good weekend ending with a unique situation.
Reaction time as follows:

1st rd .013
2nd rd .052, I lost to him that rd and had a .051
he took .010 out
3rd rd .040
4th rd rd .036
5th rd .041

Going into the final would you have pulled out .020 or more or left it alone???
he def was consistent on his release.

That .013 in the 1st rd is the one that would scare me but I think i would have pulled some out.

Either way, Jim Schreiners package would have been tough to beat & thats not the point of this question??

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Depending on the competition. Drag race central will tell you what their light was the previous rounds. I'm slow on the tree anyways and only have .010 in it, so I can't play too much. However, I did have a .008 and a .003 this weekend. The .003 was at 10pm. I was intending to bump it to .018, but I changed my throttle stop 1 setting instead. Typically, it is .10, but I accidentally changed it to .18, therefore, I went way too fast. With a .018 in the delay, I would have been a .011 on the tree, which is right where I would want to be. Didn't realize this until I was pulling the car into the trailer after losing to Brad Lefever.

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Depends on whether you are 2:1 or not...some go .011 , then add .010 and go .033..

Me yes I would have take at least .010 more out....

Fortunately on a .370 tree I dont have to worry about it, I only carry .005 usually...

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The .013 would have scared me also, but I was .009 in time trial so it was as follows:

.009 time trial
.013 1st round

end of pros:

.052 2nd round (I had a duck)
took .010 out
.040 3rd round
.036 4th round
.041 5th round
took out .005 and missed it
.045 6th round
If I had to do it again, I would have taken out another .010 and still would NOT have gotten it done. Not being in to many finals (2) I had no idea how pumped up I would be and how it would effect R/T. I have to say I was a lot calmer then I thought I would be, I would roll it all out and have faith in myself. The only saving Grace is that Jim had such a good run (.007 and 10.895 if he ran it out) I was not getting in on that. Live and learn!

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end of pros:

.052 2nd round (I had a duck)
took .010 out


Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Dave,

I have to tell you, I have never heard of that. If someone adds .010 and goes .020 more, I think they need to either have their delay box checked or theirselves. A hundreth of a second is a hundreth of a second. I would love to hear more on this if I am incorrect.

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x's 2, quack quack

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Well a "smart" racer told me this, and to verify it, maybe Gary would like to copy his time slip from first round, and explain it...he may have said the same as you Pete, and then....

I think he was .011, added .010 and was .033....sounds like 2 to 1 to me....

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but with all the veriables, does he/she really think it's 2:1? Is that person sure he/she hit it the same way, staged the same, same 60' time?

That has happened to me, but I never thought it was because of a ratio, and I have made a change that made sense more often then not...ie: add .005 to a .005 and go .010.

Please know that I am not breaking balls or making "fun" of anyone, I always want to learn something, I would just have a tuff time believing that unless Kevin from K&R or one of the Biandos said it was true.

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Don't teach them everything .

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Just because i added .010 to my delay box for 1st rd and went from a .011 from the prev time shot to a .033 to me means I missed it. i agree with Pete, 1:1, same reason I shift on time.

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So you missed it worst 2nd rd. ?

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He didn't miss it, he was just scared. 2nd round for us was when the pros were done and where most of our lights went "out to lunch"

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My 60 was .005 slower than the day before, I had it about .04 faster also. I think the sensors were rocked by the pros & thats what caused the light to be an issue . i'd take .005 variance in 60 every pass.

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Personally speaking, after about 2 or 3 r/t that are not making sense but are consistent, I will figure that I CRUSHED or met the good light and were seeing the other (more consistent) lights. Probably would average out all delays and see where I really am hitting it, then start taking small amounts of delay out each round

A very well known racer had told me a while ago....If you can't comfortably take out .005 leave the box alone.

so if you removed .005 each round you would see you getting progressively better and feel more comfortable to remove what you need

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I like yout theory, but my lights were so bad, at.005 per round, it would have to be a 14 round race to get to a good light.

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Im just sticking to flip cup for the next 2 months!

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In all seriousness, most have a range on the tree (for any given day)...its pretty tough to be within .003-5 every light, cause there are so many variables...track, staging, light, etc...

So doesnt it seem like sometimes when you take out or add, your light doesnt change as much, or changes more ?

Lets say your normal spread is .010...so if your set up for a .020, you might be .012, then .017, then .026, then .015 again....then now if you add or take away from the box, your spread will change to reflect that...

Actually Pete, I give you alot of credit for staying with your settings and racing to win !!! You would feel like crap if you took out .020, then went red....or stayed the same cause you missed it a little and took out more...Jim had a great package and thats it...

Go to Drag Race Central and look in the later rounds for any given racer and look at his/her light over 5-6 rounds...very rare to see someone within .005 for every round...

You went to the final in a National Event....I know tons of guys who havent even been close, so take some credit for getting there....Even if you had a duck in one of the rounds....

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....and was still drunk from flip cup the night before!

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You want to see consistant lights? Check out John Taylor in Gainesville this year. He beat me round 4.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2009#indextop

Just think if he took .010 out of the box.

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Thank you, there has been plenty of times I have changed #'s and didn't react to the change. Hell sometimed I took out and went slower like final round @ E-Town. I just always thought it was me and not a ratio. I really would like to talk to a delay box builder and ask them about this.

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The delay box adjusts time at a 1:1 basis. Unlike a throtle stop, there is no ratio involved. When deciding whether to take time out, a driver must consider his fastest reaction (in this case the .013) as his 'zero.' (assuming no other changes) He knows that taking any more than .013 out is for certain the danger zone unless he's confident that the track has changed. How close he's willing to get to his zero depends on how much he feels like risking.

Often a driver will take time out and end up doubting the decision, fearful of going red. That sense of doubt leads to muscle tension, which adds to his reaction time: ie: take .010 out, then tension makes him react .030 slower...end result .020 slower than the previous reaction.

I consulted with a new team in Texas last year in which the driver was .023 red on her last time run after going .040 and .020 green. I suggested they add at least .023 for first round to bring her back up to zero. The husband was very reluctant, concerned that they coud go .060 something. I said any less and she will be afraid of going red, and if she's afraid of going red she's not going to hit the tree. They added .023 and she went .000 in the first round...she cut the exact same light as her last time run.

The lesson, no matter what you do you've got to commit to it 100%.

Bruce Deveau

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Makes Sense .... I try to do that same thing however making my perfect .000 actually .005 so there is a buffer area. If I could do it I would like to be .010 every time down the track. Also I take into consideration my variation. If I make one pass and I am .008 many people would add delay, I will not assuming the next pass I could be .013 averaging my .010----- If I am .004 or better I will be adding delay the next round.

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There's a lot of good information in this thread. The only thing I would add is to remember the difference between qualifying/time runs and eliminations. I find that there's -.010 just from the adrenaline in eliminations, no matter how hard the concentration in qualifying.

IMHO, if you're getting .00x in qualifying, put something in the box...

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A good idea to find out if you are really hitting the tree consistently, obviously not during eliminiations is to have your wife or friend put your delay in and never look at it. That way you will not know if numbers were added or taken out. This will eliminate the mental factor of knowing which way the numbers were put in (hence afraid of going red).

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I like that idea but most delay times are prominate on the screen ie: mega 400 which I have.
But I do take advantage of the reaction time tester built into it to see if my release of the button is consistent.

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That's an awsome Idea, will you do my box @ the next race, I hear your pertty good with the #'s.

Notice how Jim left out another very important tip....... If you want to win a national event, race a guy that has been cutting .040's all weekend and it to much of a wuss to roll anything out!