Rescheduled Atco Divisional
 

This seems to be a big topic over in the S/SS forum so I figured I'd bring it over here...
Do you guys think they should let new entries into the race in October? Seems like people are gonna get screwed any way you slice it. I already know of one racer that has decided to not come in October because he knows since he didn't enter this weekend (broke car) he knows he will be among the most screwed people only getting a time run or two and those runs will probably be when the dew sets in about 6 or 7pm. This could be a big money making weekend for Atco like when Maple Grove had their Spring Open and Divisional the same weekend and I'm sure people would take 2 days off for one tow/two races/two grade points Thurs-Sunday. Thoughts?

Kelli
1236 S/ST
1836 S/G

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First off Kelli stop playing on the computer and do some work!!!!

Second my thoughts are mixed. I mean we didn't go because of the threat of rain ALL WEEKEND and FAMILY BIRTHDAYS. Atco is only 30 minutes from our house and always a track we love to go to for the divisonal. I can see them closing the fields for Stock, Super Stock, Comp and TAFC and TAD because they all qualify on a ladder so it's not fair to someone who comes the 2nd weekend and try's to enter the race and wasn't there for the 1st weekend on that part. That screws up the ladders and qualifing for the event. As far as S/Street, S/Gas and S/Comp I wouldn't see a problem with them opening up the entries again for anyone who couldn't make it the first time around but then it's not fair to the other classes that are already set in a qualified field to not allow more entries but allow entries in other classes. From what I've heard the race is suppose to be run on either Thursday or Friday so that means for some people they have to almost skip a week of work to travel or get in late Wednesday night and by the time October comes unless you own your own buisness Personal time is skating on thin ice by then because we've used it up throughout the year. I just think they should have scheduled it around July, maybe run it in 1 day and give Sunday as a travel/Rain date. I know IHRA doesn't come close to getting as many cars as a NHRA race does but they seem to have no problem running 2 or 3 divisional races in 1 weekend. Jsut my thoughts...

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Here's my thought.

The fields should be closed, period.

While it may not in the best interest $$ wise, the people that didn’t show up because they didn’t want to sit in the rain…blah,blah,blah shouldn’t be able to
Run next time. After all if we would have run the race, they opted not to go by choice, be it weather or whatever so why punish the people that attended. The fields should be and stay closed in all categories my opinion. One more reason is this, that late in the season with "points" on the line if the fields were "open" that gives anyone from anywhere a chance to attend and do damage.
Again this is just my opinion...bring on the bashing...


Debbie Moses

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Deb,

Your completely wrong on this matter, you have no right saying what your saying. I have no idea why your wrong, just wanted to do a little bashing. As you can tell, i am a little slow at work and have to much time on my hands.

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I say, OPEN IT UP.

Stock and Super Stock have random first round pairings in the rescheduled October race, so no matter how fast or slow they qualified in June, it has NO bearing on the rescheduled October race.

From a racer standpoint in the three .90 classes, you were going to be a random pairing in June so what advantage or disadvantage do you really have if they open up the fields in October.

I can appreciate the fact that some people made the drive to Atco to ultimately sit around and never compete in a round of competition, but what difference does this make when allowing new entries to now attend? Are we rewarding patronage or penalizing absence?

If this was a Big Dollar bracket race or you typical Saturday/Sunday one day bracket race the decision would be a, "No Brainer" and universal throughout the country. The fields would be open.

From a financial standpoint, the tracks have been taking a beating this year with the rain, I say let Joe Sway and the NHRA get a chance to recoup some lost income, it only makes sense.

For those that didn't attend, whether it be a financial decision to stay home and wait for a better weather forecast, a broken race car, a business (job) commitment or a host of other reasons, in today's economy and financial climate if you don't cater to your consumer shame on you.

As far as allowing persons from other divisions to attend and potentially receive double points for one weekend...that's how it should be. If you are the best on that day you deserve to win. I don't care what division you are from. There is enough talent in Division 1 to hold our own against invaders.

Maggiulli Jr.

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Johnny makes some great points but... word from the "top" is, fields WILL NOT be re-opened. Deb's reasons were just about dead-on. It also looks like if you show up for the originally scheduled October event there will only be 2 time runs, one Friday and 1 Saturday.
Oh well....
Off to LVD!
-Don

6/23/2009
Atco Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series Rained Out
Due to the inclement weather throughout the weekend, the Atco Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series event has been postponed to October 2. The fields are set and no new entries will be accepted. Stock and Super Stock first round will be random pairing. On Friday morning, we will give ALL competitors one time run and then run the first event to completion. Saturday Morning there will be one time run followed by first round eliminations of the second event.

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John,

This isnt a bracket race. If you didnt attend the first time for whatever the reason, and we ran the race, no one who "sat home" would be complaining. Just missed the race. But because those of us who did stay and wait for them to call the race, why should we be penalized because we chose to attend. I agree that financially everyone is taking a hit, but again if we ran the race on the scheduled date the money wouldnt have changed.
This is like arm chair quaterbacking....love those monday's

Pete,

LOL!!!


Debbie

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I agree w/ John but I was not there last weekend and I will be in the fall so my opinion is a little tainted (yes I did just say tainted) .

Deb had a very good point about points implacations (hope I spelled that correct) but rather you get 2 shots @ points in one place or have to travel, I believe if your in the hunt, you will do what is needed.

At worst, I would let people in and give them the grade point if they wanted it (not in the points hunt but still want the grade) and let them compete, but don't let their points count. This way it lets Joe and NHRA rebound and get some extra money and give a chance for some extra people to compete.

I would race and not take the grade, but be willing to spend to have a chance at some $$$ and Wally. If I'm not in the top 5 when the race comes around, I would take the grade.

It has been an awful year for the tracks, I would just hate to see them have to turn away people that want to race.

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I am not too sure how you or anyone who was able to attend are being penalized. By penalized do you mean you will have to add another round to the race? By penalized do you mean you will have to run a potentially tougher opponent? I don't buy the penalized theory and I'm not really sure what it means.

The June race is over. No winner and no losers. There is no ladder in Stock/Super Stock and no pairings in the lanes for the three .90 classes.

I say, new day, new race, new racers.

But what do I know, I've been known to not see eye to eye with the NHRA.

Maggiulli Jr.

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Implicated.....


They should keep the fields open and all new players get no points and can be blockers.

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I would agree with that...No new points for those who didn't attend in June but open the fields up to everyone.

I'm with Pete and Gary, the Wally and Dead Presidents are where it's at.

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I was there and I did sit in the Rain with everyone else. I had a good feeling the race wouldn't be finished. But I do agree that the field should be opened, for many reasons:

1) NHRA has been complaining about low car counts, well this is a good way to change that
2) people who were not able to attend the past date will be able to go and have fun and race.
3) It makes no difference as far as who you race, because it is random anyway.

If we are going to penalize people then should we not allow the people who left before they called the race not allowed to compete in October.

It is all pointless, Lets let everyone race and have fun, what is the big deal? I sat there and waited and didnt race, but i will not get mad if someone else comes in and kicks my butt, if that happens I should have ran a better race.

Maybe the people who were not entered before do not get a time run, but the people who did sit in the rain ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE A TIME RUN. That would be fun!

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Yes, I am afraid of tougher competition, more rounds & afraid I will be using more fuel and all of the above.
After all I just get lucky once in a while. ;)
I just look at it like this, the ones who stayed home were already planning on doing that and the ones who wanted to or could race did just that or attempted to. If its all about helping the NHRA & the Tracks in some peoples eye's then they should have helped them the first time, oh but i forgot some people have a life outside of racing how dare they...

Debbie

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Without beating a dead horse (this will be my last reply) I don't think the people that stayed home because they just spent 5 months @ the national event in E-Town, and didn't want to blow $300.00 in motorhome fuel to go sit in the rain (because everyone knew it was going to rain) should be penelized, I also don't think the track should be penalized either when they have the chance to make up some money. I don't think we should have all the benefits as the people who showed (no points for us) but were going to be there anyway....let's just race.

What about the people who attended last week but can't go in the fall?? No one has mentioned them.

There is no way everyone will see eye to eye on this, but I know if I was there, i would have no problem with other racers racing. What about how unfair it will be to race a car in the second race that has already been down the track 10 time in 2 days?

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Closing the fields is absolutely, positively, unequivocally, WITH OUT A DOUBT the MOST retarded thing they could do in this economic climate!

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Wow , why dont you say what you really feel. But I agree, Honestly I wasnt going to Atco this past weekend anyway but Oct is a whole different ballgame.

I guess some people will def have more hits at the tree and track then I will but F...it, I'll still play.

I'd even race the 1st race with no time shots,

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My .02...I didnt go cause like Pete said I just spent a week sitting in the rain at E Town, and the forecast was really bad...

I WAS planning to go to the October race, but with this reschedule..now I'll have to get there thursday or else I'll have to pit over at the round track or down the return road, then sit there all day friday with nothing to do, maybe they will finish the race friday, maybe not...then sometime Saturday (probably like 5 oclock for Super Gas) start racing..

No thanks...

I can see both sides of the open/not open fields, but what if you were planning on showing up saturday (like many do) and because it rained you didnt go, and now you can't play...doesnt make sense, but when does NHRA make sense...

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x2 Mark ,
I was planing on going to Atco sat. morning for one and go, But my local news said it was going to rain and iT did , This has to be all NHRA, because the owners of ATCO know how to make MONEY and this ain't it.

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I cant wait to see what the pit situation will be in Oct. ...Word is that the Alcohol cars will be there to finish, leaving the Top Class racers to go where???. ...... Would'nt suprise me to see Top dropped from the Oct race,since the schedule on the D1 web site calls for race 1 to complete on Fri. after 1 time run, and race 2's elim to start after 1 time run on Sat. ...Not much time left in that schedule for Top qualifying runs .......Tom

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LIFE OUT SIDE OF DRAG RACING? What is this thing you speak of Deb? Is it also called work? Otherwise I cant see what you could be referring to.
1) eat
2) sleep
3) work
4) race

could you let me know what you are talking about?

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As an "oldtimer".....I can tell you that the rule was always that once Tech was closed......the field is set for that event...period. That is the way it was always done as it rewarded those that made the commitment should there be a rainout. Changing that because of "economics" doesn't make sense to me. If your a points racer and in it to try to win a championship, you are there no matter what......Seems like a racer that makes that effort should be rewarded above the ones that didn't......If you were not there you don't race in the rescheduled event....... allowing new entries but no points seems reasonable....but isn't..........because when a points earner gets beat by a non-points earner, there will be complaints about allowing this to take place......


Stick to one set of rules.......

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Sure Chris,

what i mean is that people will go to a race no matter what. They dont do family gatherings, can care less if the weather is crappy, etc...while others take all that stuff into account and chose 1 or the other.

was that a good explaination?


Debbie

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Trust me as much as rain sucks the big one I would have rather been sitting in the rain at Atco (Well I was with Don and Kelli) then having to do family functions. But, sadly when the stepmom's b-day falls on the same weekend as Atco and she's 80% of the income to allow my Dad to go racing I guess you need to keep her happy or you get the plug pulled...lol!!

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Yeah, what can I say, me and Don are fun to hang out with and we love taking our adopted son Rob shopping at Walmart and Sleepy's :P

Ya know, all this crap could have be avoided with a post on the D1 website last week. EVERYONE knew it was gonna rain last weekend. How about something that states that with the impending storm, the raindate has been scheduled for the Friday of the October race. As stated in the rule book (at least I'm assuming this is stated in the rulebook) you MUST tech this weekend to race the makeup race. Maybe some racers that were on the fence would have at least took the chance and come down.

Kelli
1236 S/ST
1836 S/G

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Ahhh I love being the adopted son (Or as Earl puts it the 5th wheel)...Don't forget the dinner at Carrabba's also. Have to keep your son fed!!!

I think we are all beating a dead horse on this topic, some people are going to agree with the decision (the people who sat in the rain) and some people are going to disagree with it (the people who couldn't make it). It sucks for some racers cause with the decision (even with their cars on the ground) to go right into 1st round on Saturday morning some people pulled out (Jake). A lot of people are good pulling in on Saturday morning, taking 1 time shot and being ready for 1st round but others don't want to be the sitting duck 1st round if they have to work and can only roll in on Saturday and get no time shots. I remember as a kid going to either it was the Keystones or Super Stock Nationals and there was a threat of rain the next day and they called the race that night before and it ended up being Sunny and not an ounce of rain on the ground. As we all saw on Sunday it misted and rained in the morning but ended up being a really nice day out in the end. I would just hate to see if it gets rained out on Friday of the October race...what do you do then?? I do think it's going to still draw a good amount of cars in October rather you get 2 time shots or 3 shots cause people want a chance to win a wally and it's the last race of the season...hands down.

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Here's a question, are the people that can't race the first race going to get at least 2 time shots (weather permitting) because if it's only one and we don't do anything until Sat. I am out! There is now was I am leaving on Wed. night just to try and get a o.k. spot, have to wait until Sat. to even make a pass and then only get one shot and have to race...screw that!

Never mind, I just readt the format on NHRA.com. I should have kept my statement true of not making anymore posts on this subject.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009

Track Operated Test & Tune – 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Gates open 7 a.m.)

Fee – Car & Driver - $60 Crew - $15

Parking – 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.



Friday, October 2, 2009



Gates Open - 7 a.m.

NHRA Inspection - 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Time Trials will be run in Sessions. 1 Run

Time Trials – 9:30 a.m. Run Order - SST, Stk, SC, SS, SG

Comp Qualifying – 11 a.m.

Top Dragster Qualifying – 11:30 a.m.

Top Sportsman Qualifying – 12:00 p.m.

Eliminations for the June Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series event begin following time trial



Saturday, October 3, 2009



Gates Open - 7 a.m.

NHRA Inspection – 8:30 a.m. to 9:30 a.m.

Time Trials – 9:30 a.m. Time Trials will be in Sessions. Run Order - SST, Stk, SC, SS, SG - 1 Run

Top Dragster Qualifying -- 11:00 a.m. Eliminations Round 1– 3:30 p.m.

Top Sportsman Qualifying – 11:30 a.m. Eliminations Round 1 – 4:00 p.m.

Comp Qualifying – 12:00 p.m. Eliminations Round 1 – 3:00 p.m.

SST, Stock, SC, SS, SG Eliminations Round One – After Time Trial



Sunday, October 4, 2009



Gates Open - 7 a.m.

Eliminations Continue – 9:30 a.m. Beginning with Super Street!



NOTE: THERE WILL BE NO SUNDAY INSPECTION, QUALIFYING, OR TIME TRIALS!!!

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that schedule rocks , we should do that 3 times per year , Maple Grove , Atco and E-Town ,6 races 3 weekends , Done Deal

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Ya , but you would have to sit in the rain for 2 days and then come back so your not saving a dime.

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The race should have been scheduled for the stock/superstock weekend Atco had on there calendar in July or in early Aug.

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I "heard" that the alcohol cars will finish the June race on the Sunday (of the October race). I also "heard" that they were asked (or will be asked) to arrive AFTER 4 or 5pm that Saturday night for pit space reasons. They are hoping some pavement will open up after first round of the 2nd race. There will be a max of 15 alcohol cars ... and I would bet a couple won't show.

Not the facts, just rumors. Giddy up.

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I heard (and this was from a TAD driver) was Sunday of Lebanon Valley will be the race since they will already be there. Seems like a good idea to me (but then again I'm gonna be laying on a beach in Wildwood that weekend so I have no idea if that's a good idea to people that actually go to that race :P ).

Kelli
1236 S/ST
1836 S/G

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I'm with you on this one.

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Hi All,
Remember the good old days when we would get 2 and sometimes 3 time shots on Friday, then 2 times shots on Saturday and First round was always on Sunday. What happened???? Now one shot and first round.
IMO they should have just rescheduled the whole race for another weekend and open it to whoever wants to race.

Regards,
Pat I.