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Todd Hoven 06-26-2009 08:21 AM

Cool can installation
 
Hey Guys I'm installing a new Aeromotive fuel system in my car, and this system runs a return line from the fuel pressure regulator to the cell. I was wondering if it is legal to run the cool can inline with the return line. Thanks in advance...

Jeff Lee 06-26-2009 11:12 AM

Re: Cool can installation
 
I think that is a great idea. There is nothing wrong with the rules either.

Tom Goldman 06-26-2009 04:08 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Todd, It's a very "grey area",and one a few racers have tried to get around. I've actually seen it on 2 cars in the last 2 years......If only the return line passes thru the cool can,you would be artificially cooling the fuel as outlined in Section 19, 1.5 fuel systems......,subject to the Tech Officials interpetation ,personal beliefs or lack of sleep the night before!.........Tom

greg fulk 06-26-2009 06:57 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Todd mount it in the trunk if you can... Pro Stock dose this

Ken Haase 06-26-2009 07:16 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
I'm pretty sure all Pro Stocks have front mounted cells. Plus, aren't they specifically prohibited from using a 'cool can'?

Philip Saran 06-26-2009 11:34 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Please explain what the advantage would be if your
running the return fuel line through a cool can?

I understand the idea of cooling the fuel before it enters the carb.

Al Reed 06-27-2009 02:05 AM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Returning it to the fuel cell and cooling it is going to do squat to improve HP.
You need cool fuel at the carb/s, not back in the cell.
Cool it between the cell and carb/s. However, with a deadhead type regulator, this in itself will heat the fuel as it can be sitting there. A front mounted cell or front mounted 'second' cell is what we'll be putting in ours, with a return type system, which returns to the front cell and through a cooler.

Mike Taylor 3601 06-27-2009 05:10 AM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Leave pumps run circulate through cool can. I heard WJ had cool can about 8-10 years ago w/liquid nitrogen would leave fuel pumps run had return line supposedly would get fuel to around 30 degrees. I think if you look @ Pro Stock rules I think they
are'nt allowed fuel pumps with return line so they can't circulate fuel to cool it.
Mike Taylor3601

Jeff Lee 06-27-2009 03:30 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Reed (Post 127411)
Returning it to the fuel cell and cooling it is going to do squat to improve HP.
You need cool fuel at the carb/s, not back in the cell.
Cool it between the cell and carb/s. However, with a deadhead type regulator, this in itself will heat the fuel as it can be sitting there. A front mounted cell or front mounted 'second' cell is what we'll be putting in ours, with a return type system, which returns to the front cell and through a cooler.

Great idea but not legal in S/SS class which is what the subject here is about. One fuel tank or fuel cell only per rulebook.

The reason I like the idea of placing a cool can at the rear of the system is I believe it may cool the fuel down without the flow restrictions you MAY have with a cool can (I'm talking traditional store bought item) at the front of the system. I see the rule book allows for a cool can. It does not say were it has to be. Front or rear, it's purpose is to cool the fuel and I see that as being an allowable modification.
FYI - I've run a cool can with a return line fuel system. I have personally found no benefit to a cool can with this system. I think the return style fuel system in itself cools the fuel more so than a one-way system and that amount seems to be adequate.
That's just what I've found. Good luck and hopefully you find some free HP.

Ed Wright 06-28-2009 12:47 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Hey!! :D

chris ok 06-30-2009 12:42 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
toyota years ago went to dead head fuel systems in their vehicles.
they believe that fuel returning to the tank is heated and heats all the fuel, then changinging the emissions and character of the fuel, bringing down the power of the engine, and increasing emissions. they use a stepper style pump, based on throttle valve openning and load on engine to adjust fuel pressure needed.
I personally like the idea of a cool can on the return side cooling the fuel in the tank thus cooling the fuel being delivered.
I've also heard of dry ice in the tank, thanks ed o'brien for reminding me. but don't know how it affects the fuel, doesn't it smoke out then, thats my question. sure would cool it nice tho.

House of Darts 06-30-2009 04:28 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Dry ice in the fuel cell will change the dielectric content of the fuel. As the dry ice evaporates the CO2 will, to some degree, go into solution with the gasoline inside the tank. That can throw off the readings on a fuel check. If you still intend to do this just remember that there will condensation in the fuel cell. Your are diluting the fuel again and this will change the dielectric and you will be running H2O plus the fuel.

Tom Moock 06-30-2009 05:50 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
House of darts, I saw dry ice put in fuel at Topeka national event, class run off in super stock, must have passed fuel check, because he won class. Tom

SPS 06-30-2009 06:21 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
OK, from first hand experience:
A number of years ago in my SS/BM car, I built a cool can in the trunk on the return/bypass side of the pump.

Was told by NHRA tech to take it off. There is a rule (written or un-written) that says the cool can must be in the supply line and within a certain distance of the carb. In the engine department.

I thought it was a good idea, and I believe it worked too, but it went away.

FJ

Todd Hoven 07-02-2009 11:49 PM

Re: Cool can installation
 
Bruce Bacholder told me today that the fuel pressure regulator and cool can have to be at least 6 inches FOWARD of the firewall. SO that ends that. Thanks to all who replied


Quote:

Originally Posted by SPS (Post 127916)
OK, from first hand experience:
A number of years ago in my SS/BM car, I built a cool can in the trunk on the return/bypass side of the pump.

Was told by NHRA tech to take it off. There is a rule (written or un-written) that says the cool can must be in the supply line and within a certain distance of the carb. In the engine department.

I thought it was a good idea, and I believe it worked too, but it went away.

FJ



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