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Larry Hill

07-15-2009 06:57 PM

Class Winners Indy 2009

AA/S 08 Mustang
AA/SA 08 Mustang
A/S 08 Mustang
A/SA 08 Mustang
B/S 69 Camaro
B/SA 67 Shelby

Tim Ellis

07-15-2009 07:08 PM

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Im ok with that

Jim Bailey

07-15-2009 07:12 PM

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Larry, (just for class elim.),......I'm gonna show up with 2 stages of Nitrous, under both carbs... I'm planning on running some very good fuel..... AND, I can get my car very light..... so ..... I'M GONNA LOSE, ... and I'm not stopping at the scales, ...BUT...., we're gonna see how fast they can go ......LMAO, Jim.

Jeff Teuton

07-15-2009 07:18 PM

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What does that have to do with drinking beer? Bailey, I got an old max manifold we could put the old nitro rag inside. You get some of that stuff from Head.

W J	07-15-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 130124)

AA/S 08 Mustang
AA/SA 08 Mustang
A/S 08 Mustang
A/SA 08 Mustang
B/S 08 Mustang
B/SA 08 Mustang

My Dad used to call this: "Stirring the pot" :D WJ

Alan Roehrich

07-15-2009 07:31 PM

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Hehe, Larry likes to fish with dynamite.

vic guilmino

07-15-2009 07:34 PM

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They will win no class at indy

Bobby Brannon

07-15-2009 08:00 PM

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Sound like the odds are not GOOD for any CHEVY.. Should I just stay HOME

DonatoEng

07-15-2009 09:18 PM

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Should be some new Challengers there to keep it interesting.

Tom Moock

07-15-2009 10:34 PM

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How long does it take to pull a head in tear down on 08 Mustang? How many Mustang have showed up to run claas at a National Event this year? 1 at Topeka? Tom

bill dedman

07-15-2009 10:56 PM

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I heard a long, long time.... real long!!!

james schaechter

07-16-2009 05:15 AM

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At Indy, they tore down the A stick winner among others. I wold say that the dudes that have the Mustangs can probably afford to bring a "crew". I am not sure if tear down voids the "factory Warranty" though. :)

Of course Brett McFarland was the Champ there!

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...4571885189.jpg

snowman

07-16-2009 07:05 AM

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I dont think they can get in to B

Chris Hill

07-16-2009 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by james schaechter (Post 130172)

I am not sure if tear down voids the "factory Warranty" though. :)

I don't care who you are, that's funny!

Jack Matyas

07-16-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vic guilmino (Post 130136)

They will win no class at indy

Vic -- Have you taken up smoking that West Virginia weed again ?

Chad Rhodes

07-16-2009 07:56 AM

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I'm about 95 percent sure that you cant remove either head or the pan with that engine in a car. Its HUGE, makes a Hemi look small

Superfan1

07-16-2009 08:18 AM

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The Classification guide has the '08 Mustang coupe at a factor of 7.62, and the convertible at 7.82 which makes them both "natural" AA cars. They can move down to A, but they definitely can't move down to B.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct.

buzzinhalfdozen

07-16-2009 09:24 AM

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If pulling a head is in the future, don't look for many of the fords to go fast. I work on similar engines at work and believe me it is time consuming. Showing up torn down for inspection may be an option but I'd think it would be a monumental undertaking to tear down then put back for eliminator. JMO Joe For what it's worth for all those who believe these cars really are that fast I guess they may just show their hand.

Chris1529

07-16-2009 09:32 AM

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I think they are made just like the Ford Superduty trucks. you don't take out the engine to work on it, you just pull the body off the frame.

CycloneFE

07-16-2009 09:40 AM

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Larry,

I agree on Mustang in A/SA, but I like the 1969 models.

Steve

Bobby DiDomenico

07-16-2009 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 130124)

AA/S 08 Mustang
AA/SA 08 Mustang
A/S 08 Mustang
A/SA 08 Mustang
B/S 08 Mustang
B/SA 08 Mustang

Thanks for the laugh Larry. Do we have a pool on what car in which class?

Having working on a few Turbo Regals, I'd expect these cars to arrive with cut apart engine compartments to allow access to everything!

Bobby Brannon

07-16-2009 08:18 PM

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So I guess if you have a CHEVY DO NOT GO TO INDY. The fords will win

George Wright

07-16-2009 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 130189)

I'm about 95 percent sure that you cant remove either head or the pan with that engine in a car. Its HUGE, makes a Hemi look small

A cylinder head can be pulled with the engine in the car. Jimmy, Steve and I removed the passenger side head from a "pre-production" Cobra Jet in my shop in preparation for the Winternationals. The "pre-production" car had all of the original factor accessories like power brakes, power steering, electical junction box, etc. Our AA/S Cobra Jet does not have any of those items and is much easier to work on.

http://9500rpm.com/shelby/IM000896.JPG
Engine in the "pre-production" Cobra Jet.

http://9500rpm.com/shelby/tascateardown.jpg

http://9500rpm.com/shelby/headoff1.jpg

http://9500rpm.com/shelby/headoff2.jpg

http://9500rpm.com/shelby/headoff3.jpg

http://9500rpm.com/shelby/shelby08q.jpg

Engine in our AA/S Cobra Jet. You can actually see the harmonic balancer.

treessavoy

07-16-2009 10:46 PM

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It's one thing to tear it down in a full on shop, it's another thing to do it in the tear down at the track but either way it's going to be interesting......and I thought it was hard tearing down a Max Wedge!

Jim Bailey

07-17-2009 05:20 AM

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( Don't forget about the new Challengers ) ....laughing....This could be NHRA's wake up call to their "Factory Wars".....The new Drag Pac Challenger won't run within a tenth of the new Supercharged Mustang, .....Two tenths if the air is bad. Then maybe they'll take a look at the "REAL" HP..... Heck, I don't think the Challengers can run with Shaul, Barton, or Sorrenson,(even with water in his engine.)

W J	07-17-2009 06:25 AM

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The accessability in that engine compartment doesn't look much worse than the 4th gen LS1 Fbody GM cars. Thanks for the informative pics. WJ :)

Chad Rhodes

07-17-2009 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by W J (Post 130303)

The accessability in that engine compartment doesn't look much worse than the 4th gen LS1 Fbody GM cars. Thanks for the informative pics. WJ :)

apparently they designed the engine bay of the new car (05-up) with these engines in mind. I know doing the same thing in an SN-95 car is torture

X-TECH MAN

07-17-2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 130307)

apparently they designed the engine bay of the new car (05-up) with these engines in mind. I know doing the same thing in an SN-95 car is torture

Couldnt be much worse than my piece of crap 91 Corvette.....Damn, I wished I had my 67 435 HP car back. SCREW the A/C....LOL

7820	07-17-2009 02:36 PM

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Me and you both brother. Bought mine on October 24, 1967 at Yukon Chevrolet in Yukon, OK Maroon with black interior, 4 speed, 427, tri power. Darn I miss that car..

W J	07-17-2009 07:37 PM

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Probably one of the more accessible engine compartments in the newer cars are the late model GTO's....rather nice to work on....and darn, they are gone......WJ

X-TECH MAN

07-17-2009 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 7820 (Post 130350)

Me and you both brother. Bought mine on October 24, 1967 at Yukon Chevrolet in Yukon, OK Maroon with black interior, 4 speed, 427, tri power. Darn I miss that car..

Did you ever race it? I changed gears back in 67 to 4.88's added an L-88 cam and headers. DROVE to the track on 8 inch (all that would fit) slicks ran a bunch of 11.0's and one 10.97 at the old Aquasco drag strip in southern Md. The 4 1/2 MPG's was rough even back in the cheap gas days....lol. Ended up putting the 3.55's back in it. Marina Blue rag top, black interior and side pipes. Loved it but man was it ever HOT to drive in the summer.

7820	07-18-2009 08:57 AM

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No. I barely got it broken in. The day I purchased the car was the day I graduated from Artillery Officers Candidate School at Ft. Sill, OK. I went to Vietnam in February 1968. I had made the decision to keep the car. I was shot in April 1968 and then shot again in June 1968. I made the decision then to sell the car at that time....dumb decision.

There is a man in San Diego that has 17 of these in his car collection. He has more than 17 but the 17 he displays are 100 point show cars. He also has many other rare muscle cars.

Chad Rhodes

07-18-2009 09:04 AM

Re: Class Winners Indy 2009

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 130333)

Couldnt be much worse than my piece of crap 91 Corvette.....Damn, I wished I had my 67 435 HP car back. SCREW the A/C....LOL

I have a 93 corvette in the garage. Its going to soon be a bracket car with an LS-1 in it (or maybe SS/GT car later)

George Wright

07-18-2009 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by boster58 (Post 130418)

At Indy last year I had to tear completly down and pull the crank in the barn . The ford guys should be able to do the same. Im sure someone will protest someone to see what's in them . Im sure NHRA has never seen one of these motors torn down. Ford gave them all the new info.

I like the new mustangs and I think they will win at Indy. Does anyone have a picture of the crank ? Im told it looks very similar to the callies ultra light which is based on the newest oem design. I will say that I think the guys running these cars have them detuned at this stag of the game and wont have to show what they really got for a few years.

Bo Kenney
Gt/ba

Here's a link to my website that shows our 5.4 Cobra Jet engine going together. There is a photo of the crank. http://9500rpm.com/shelby/project5.html

X-TECH MAN

07-18-2009 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 130427)

I have a 93 corvette in the garage. Its going to soon be a bracket car with an LS-1 in it (or maybe SS/GT car later)

Do you want another one before it catches fire?

Larry Hill

07-23-2009 06:40 PM

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So what about the other class winners B/S , B/SA and down, lets hear something about who is the fastest.

Jeff Teuton

07-23-2009 07:27 PM

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Larry, I figure you and a couple of your friends could win with a little threat of bodily injury to the ford guys.

Jack Matyas

07-24-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 131280)

So what about the other class winners B/S , B/SA and down, lets hear something about who is the fastest.

No doubt in my mind who will win B/SA -- That's if Sal Biondo shows up with Billy Hawks' "Black Beauty" in tow .

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