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John Kelley 07-20-2009 09:49 AM

Bad reaction !!
 
Did anyone see the results from the BIG $$$$ race at Bristol on Saturday ??
In the FINAL one car one car was dialed 6.88 and the other 5.80. The 6.88 car breaks on the line and has a .988 reaction time and is going nowhere. The 5.80 car REDLIGHTS -.005 to LOSE THE BIG $$$$..
......What a way to LOSE A BIG $$$$$$$$$ race !

Jim Wahl 07-20-2009 11:56 AM

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I think I would find another driver. Jim

Terrance Smith 07-20-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 130656)
I think I would find another driver. Jim


Jim the driver was Manny Sousa and he was racing a friend of mine named Steve Alford from NC. Not sure of what happened to Manny though.

Smitty

cody pollage 07-20-2009 12:32 PM

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Who went red?

buzzinhalfdozen 07-20-2009 12:40 PM

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The 5.80 car was most likely crossing and given the 1 second spread he probably didn't have any other options he'd let go on the slower cars top bulb. I'm not much up on all the box stuff but I do know there are setups that allow you to hit the button again and add time or something to that effect. That being said I'd say the guy did a great job if he made it to the finals , from what I hear you'd better have your game on at those big money races. So nice job fella!! Joe

bob gonier 07-20-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen (Post 130671)
The 5.80 car was most likely crossing and given the 1 second spread he probably didn't have any other options he'd let go on the slower cars top bulb. I'm not much up on all the box stuff but

It was a footbrake race, no electronics. My guess is he was using a blinder and didn't even notice the other lane had problems.

I'm sure he's not too upset though....... He won the 30k $$$$$ race earlier in the day !!!!! With a string of .00 lights no less.





bob

Michael Beard 07-20-2009 01:12 PM

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I think I would find another driver.
That same driver that went red in the finals of the $10K race with a transmission going away also won the $30K Shootout earlier that day. Manny had 5 .002 lights in two days, and a TON of other double-oh lights as well. You might do better to keep him. ;)

There was no crossing over. This was a Footbrake race. A lot of Footbrakers block the tree. With a 1-second spot and the level of concentration necessary at this level... I chased a couple of cars this weekend... I'm staring at my bottom bulb and nothing else. You may realize something as an afterthought, but in the moment, I can understand how it could happen. It's just one of those things. FYI, Alford ran out of gas on the starting line.

Robert Pare Racing 07-20-2009 01:14 PM

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"I think I would find another driver. Jim"

LOL..That's either a brilliant funny haha, or you are a total blithering idiot.

buzzinhalfdozen 07-20-2009 01:33 PM

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Sorry I didn't know this was a footbrake race. Either way I still say the guy did a heck of a job and should be very proud. Joe

Michael Beard 07-20-2009 01:53 PM

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I heard they were going to REQUIRE delay boxes next year to loosen up the packages! ;) :D :eek:

They had to replace the printer in the timeslip booth because it ran out of zeros.

Just on Friday alone, I was double-entered and was .012, .009, .016, .014, .011, .009, .001, .025, .013..... and IN THE WAY. It was ridiculous. Still a good time and great to be a part of, but it was amazing to hear some world-class drivers saying things like, "I used to think I was a pretty fair driver".

Just a couple of examples.... In the Shootout, Doyle Kay is .000 and takes .005 stripe for the L. One pair, the announcer says, "They're both dead late... they're .015 and .017..." :eek:

Jim Wahl 07-20-2009 01:58 PM

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That is a good example of making a comment without knowing ALL the facts! Sorry Manny, I'll give ya a hug next time I see ya! Jim


"LOL..That's either a brilliant funny haha, or you are a total blithering idiot."

This is a first for me! I don't think I have ever been accused of being both in one post before! Jim

Robert Pare Racing 07-20-2009 03:40 PM

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lol..I had a feeling that may have been the case..especially you being from FLA., and it was no accusation! ..Cheers.

..On a sidenote- I was .020 and dead on in round 2 of the shootout, and was junk to my man's .003 and spitting brake dust in my face..rough crowd.

Bryan Worner 07-20-2009 05:02 PM

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With roughly a second head start if you are looking at the other guy then you've already lost, unless he goes red!! How can you question a -.005 red light??? Just a tough break on Manny's part, that's all! Congrats on your runner up!! Damn, he lost in the 9th round........he sucks!!!

442OLDS 07-20-2009 07:23 PM

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I was reading some of the results on this race at Drag Race Central.Truly some amazing packages for a "footbrake" race.
Are any two-steps,trans brakes,or buttons allowed in this,or is it truly "footbrake"?

John Kelley 07-21-2009 04:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner (Post 130725)
With roughly a second head start if you are looking at the other guy then you've already lost, unless he goes red!! How can you question a -.005 red light??? Just a tough break on Manny's part, that's all! Congrats on your runner up!! Damn, he lost in the 9th round........he sucks!!!

If the car in the other lane has a second head start.......and is still sitting there when your lights start coming down.............HELLO..........:-)

Bobby DiDomenico 07-21-2009 07:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Kelley (Post 130624)
Did anyone see the results from the BIG $$$$ race at Bristol on Saturday ??
In the FINAL one car one car was dialed 6.88 and the other 5.80. The 6.88 car breaks on the line and has a .988 reaction time and is going nowhere. The 5.80 car REDLIGHTS -.005 to LOSE THE BIG $$$$..
......What a way to LOSE A BIG $$$$$$$$$ race !

John, I know you are just playin' with us! I think it's much better to be runner up than first round loser. Heck, if you make it to the 3rd round you've beaten 3/4 of the other cars right? And its not like you own 4 of the 16 cars entered

Michael Beard 07-21-2009 07:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 130749)
I was reading some of the results on this race at Drag Race Central.Truly some amazing packages for a "footbrake" race.
Are any two-steps,trans brakes,or buttons allowed in this,or is it truly "footbrake"?

Pure footbrake.

My *losing* runs of the weekend were
.009 and .03 over
.013 taking .001
-.001 red
.023 taking .008
.033 taking .007
.020 dead-on with a zero
-.003 red, dead-on with a 2
.039, under .003
.017, double breakout by .001
-.010 red

Yah. It was like that. Lord, that was like two months worth of racing. Glad that's out of the way! ;)

FLEMING 07-21-2009 07:42 AM

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wow... man you guys crack me up... Manny could wax 110% of the people on here.. If you guys dont like the guys like biondo and fletcher winning all the time you SURE DONT WANT MANNY BACK IN A STOCKER... Manny has won in anything he has ever sat in, including a big blue VAN...

herbjr 07-21-2009 08:08 AM

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Yea its obvious that whoever started this thread has NO CLUE

Ron Ortiz 07-21-2009 08:21 AM

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Manny used to terrorize the S/C class at Bradenton with his Fairmont. Door vs dragster, and he would win quite often footbraking against them dragsters. And he is a nice guy to boot.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA .003 hey you better tighten up

thomas sheehan 07-21-2009 09:26 AM

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Michael

10 losses in one weekend! ....... how did you do that?
were you double entered in 5 different races down there (in bristol)?

just curious
tom sheehan

ps.... I feel bad when I lose once in a weekend

Robert Pare Racing 07-21-2009 12:50 PM

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John, aren't you the guy that's all about first or worst red light crap??

Michael Pliska 07-21-2009 12:58 PM

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Crap, I gripe about my local track frequently taking a 0.020 package to win any round (and I've lost there with a 0.010 package), those losing packages are insane!

John Kelley 07-21-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Pare Racing (Post 130873)
John, aren't you the guy that's all about first or worst red light crap??

Having a LEVEL playing field is "CRAP" ???

Why don't we do away with the worst breakout rule........???

Robert Pare Racing 07-21-2009 01:30 PM

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you know what I mean John..I simply used the word "crap" because of a lack of a better word...if you knew anything about me, you'd understand..back to your worst breakout rule "issue"..would anyone like to comment on this before I do?

bill dedman 07-21-2009 01:58 PM

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"Issue" might be a more descriptive word than "crap."

Insofar as the "issue" is concerned, yeah, I'll comment.

It's been an issue for 36 years. It was originally an issue because they didn't have the software to fix it, like the worst breakout situation.

They got the worst breakout situation taken care of a long time ago.

Now, they have the software to fix the worst red light, and it's way past time to fix it, too.

There's no logical reason not to do this.

Michael Beard 07-21-2009 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan (Post 130828)
Michael

10 losses in one weekend! ....... how did you do that?
were you double entered in 5 different races down there (in bristol)?

just curious
tom sheehan

ps.... I feel bad when I lose once in a weekend

Double-entered in 3 races, bought back three times, plus 1 shootout entry. :(

I was winner *and* runner-up in the same race last year, so I guess it goes around and comes around! :o

My wife has already told me to quit whining. LOL

Jim Woods 07-21-2009 03:16 PM

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LOL michael,

thomas sheehan 07-21-2009 03:19 PM

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ok Michael.....

what did it cost to enter those three races ?
what did buy backs cost ?

just curious .....

tom

Stock4106 07-21-2009 04:11 PM

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I'm one of those guys that considers himself a good driver on both ends of the track. I felt like a rookie against those guys in Bristol. Take my advice, if you can't be .00 and dead on all day, save your money and stay home.

On a side note, Michael Beard and Robert Pare it was nice meeting both of you.

Michael Beard 07-21-2009 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan (Post 130915)
what did it cost to enter those three races ?
what did buy backs cost ?

Don't remind me. $350 pre-entry (or $450 at the gate) for a single entry into all three $10K races, $100 Re-Entry. $1,000 for the $30K (no buybacks, 64-car field)

Great talking with you too, Owen! Best of luck the rest of the season. Maybe all of our egos and wallets will be healed up by next year, and we can try again.

Robert Pare Racing 07-21-2009 08:25 PM

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Owen, likewise. I've known you are an awesome racer... If you ever find yourself up in this neck of the woods, don't hesitate to contact me if you need anything.

..in my opinion, it was tougher to go 4 or 5 rounds there than any Bracket race I've ever been to (on the bottom), including the Finals..I think Mike would agree..Getting past Luke in round one Saturday was just the start.. I was 007 and dead on and he was right there with me...It was like that all weekend long folks......040 bulb and I was embarassed.

Congrats to Manny, Luke, and the Alfords, they know what's up.

442OLDS 07-22-2009 08:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Pare Racing (Post 130976)

..in my opinion, it was tougher to go 4 or 5 rounds there than any Bracket race I've ever been to (on the bottom), including the Finals..I think Mike would agree..Getting past Luke in round one Saturday was just the start.. I was 007 and dead on and he was right there with me...It was like that all weekend long folks......040 bulb and I was embarassed.

No two steps,no trans brakes,no buttons,truly no electronics?
Was deep staging permitted?

tgriffith 07-22-2009 09:37 PM

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yes,,,deep staging was not only allowed,,,it was gaurenteed

Jon----here is something to ponder on


http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r=100#indextop

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r=100#indextop

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r=100#indextop

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r=100#indextop

these are rounds 3 thru 6

manny is a driving machine,,,,,,,,,this is even in someone else car too !!

tgriffith 07-22-2009 09:49 PM

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the comp was unbelievable,,,I had car trouble all weekend and unfortunately, got beat to death,,,,,but the RT`s were just amaizing,,,,,,,,,everybody on the grounds knew that anybody/everybody in the other lane was a hitter and was sit on kill.........even the racers that havent made a name for themselfs were set on "KILL"

I was really surprised not to see alot of stockers there,,,,I think I seen 1 stocker and maybe 4 or 5 stock racers in bracket cars

some of you guys REALLY need to get to this race next year

Michael Beard 07-23-2009 08:23 AM

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No two steps,no trans brakes,no buttons,truly no electronics?
Correct. Air or Electric Shifters were permitted, that's it.

Jared Pennington 07-30-2009 09:40 AM

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WOW! Great to see so much interest in the WFC.

The packages at WFC III were definitely among the best our class has ever displayed over a 3 day event. However, it was seemingly equal throughout the field. It looked like everyone there took there game to the next level. That was awesome to watch to say the least. From the outside looking in, it appeared that everyone there new where .00 was and was not afraid to shoot for it. There are thousands of racers capable of finding .00 at any given time, but the WFC racers were looking to do it consistently. It was a Footbrake race so don't be fooled into believeing that we only had .00 and dead on runs. The competition was spectacular but there were a ton of runs that were simply average and some of those even netted alot of cash for the drivers involved.

We appreciate all of the support from the Class Racer members and we hope to see more of you there next year.


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