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They are up on NHRA websight

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Really? Where would they hide it?

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It is on the Lucas Oil page, follow the Lucas Oil link at the top of the forum.

Let me be the first to congratulate the 70-71 Challenger and Cuda Hemi racers, they got their 12HP back off, they are back down to 445 from 457. Since Fred was NOT required to scale, tech, or fuel check after that pass, taking that 12 back off was the right thing for NHRA to do.

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http://www.nhra.net/content/sportsma...7590&zoneid=85


Competitor requests:


http://www.nhra.net/content/sportsma...7589&zoneid=85

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They will not even take 5 horsepower off of a 1970 455 Oldsmobile,but they take 12 off this combo?

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They should not have put the 12 HP on. That whole deal was done wrong, and NHRA has finally made it right.

I'm not real well up on the Olds, I've got a friend who has a couple, and he doesn't race them because they aren't fast enough. I'd say the Olds probably does need some HP off, maybe if enough proof is shown to the right people it might get it, I hope so.

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Did Fred only get 12 HP on that deal?

I am not at all sure, but I thought it was more than that (12).
I can't remember what his factored HP was before the "hit," but 12 HP is only 96 pounds in A/SA ; I thought he had to add more than that.

Or, did I just dream this.....????

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In less than 18 months that combo (70/ 71 challenger /cuda 426 Hemi) was hit with over 27 hp or 215 IBS. So yes the reduction was deserved. It should have been more. This combo was killed. Even now rated @ 445 the car weights in @ 3730 with driver in A/SA. Don’t know the olds situation so can’t comment.

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,i'm pretty sure it was 442hp before Henson deal! I think it got 6 hp 2 times before that from 430 to 436 and to 442...also in a relatively short period!

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What others did you want them to fix?

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The rules of the system need fixed!!! Apparently they changed this year and nobody was notified.

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The 67 to 71 street hemi was 440 hp in all bodies back in the seventies So 445 dosent sound to bad.

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They changed them when I got hit and nobody noticed either

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Dear Mr. NHRA,

1964 belvedre's NEVER came with the 273 so dropping the HP to 166 didn't help at all! That combination wasn't available until 1965!

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NHRA only has $16 in their AFHS/HP Factoring budget and it looks like they spent the 2 hours of labor for the year. Don't be surprised if less cars are torn down throughout the year besides at Indy. They just don't have the money to waste on paying someone hourly to police our cars. They'll do it for Indy to keep pulling us saps in. Think About it. If they don't at Indy (all racers/NHRA pride and joy race) then they'll lose even more integrity with the Stock and SS racers and then we'll end up going elsewhere or back to bracket racing locally.

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Not sure about the 442 CID 1970 Olds.Never heard of that combo either!


Stock Horsepower No Changes


OEM NHRA

Make CID HP HP Years Affected


Olds 442 370 360 70 W/auto

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Dosent matter.....most of you will put up with whatever they (NHRA) does or dosent do anyway.

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X Tech Man I just finished my SS'er to race SS/BA/CA and I've already bought my delay box, so I can go back to the bracket classes. I'm having a very hard time passing on races like the ($398 for a 5k/10k/50k/10k) Mid Mich race and 2500/5k/5K No Box challenge at Norwalk to go to 3 day divisionals and 3-4 day nat events.

I'll make an offer to anyone. I just want one class win trophy (Bye run or not). All you have to is dump in our heads up run and I'll cover the cost of your entry fee to the event:) Any takers:)

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Cheaper just ot buy your Wally on ebay

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I bet you would put it out for anyone to see and brag how you beat Tony Schumacher for it..I think
you're more suited for bracket racing.


http://cgi.ebay.com/NHRA-Wally-Troph...d=p3286.c0.m14

There you go the big one 1998 Indy class win.Only bid so far up to $202.A bargain.

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And what do you tell your children about this trophy?

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Art,
That's because you and Ray were way to FAST !!! (lol)

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Just noticed,the seller is a list member.Why would anyone sell a Wally,especially an Indy class one?
I have all mine,except the last one.My daughter took it home and said she would watch it for me.
I happen to think they're special.Especially the one I got in 2006 for a div. win.Like Charlton Heston
famously said"They'de had to pry it from my dead cold hand".

That Wally went for $356.Aint inflation something.

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Artie,remember at the scales,I was the one that told you that you went 2.00 under?What did you expect,
a ticker tape parade down the return road?LOL

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I really don't see how it should be rated any less than the ZL-1 or the L-88.

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See Below

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Never said it should be less than any combo, just that the reduction was deserved.

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I am just curious as to what is required for a combination to deserve a horsepower reduction?
I know what the criteria is for an increase.What is the criteria for a decrease?

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I agree it was deserved, I actually suggested it to several at NHRA.

You commented on how heavy it was at 445, I figured 445 is pretty close, considering the L-88 is at 440, and the ZL-1 is at 445.

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I believe 440 would have been the right HP rating. I’m not comparing combo’s just concerned with mine as we all are. Don’t want an unfair advantage just to be competitive. Let’s remember where it was @430 then 436, then 442 and a whopping 457 in less than 18 months. With the exception of Fred’s car the combos were not dominating just competitive there’s always one car in the combo that’s faster then the rest (Joe Sorensen). Then what happens bang 27 HP later you park the combo. It’s to late for me I have decided to convert it back to a street car. The AHFS has no wiggle room it’s just black and white with no gray area.

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I know the feeling, of the 6-pak cars running out there most run the E-body combo which is rated @ 405HP and of the handful running the B-body rated @ 417HP it's tough to be competitive, in a heads-up with a CHEVY-396/400 or FORD-428/355 I'M DEAD !!!!!!!
I KNOW WORK HARDER!!!!! or GO FISHING!!!!!

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I always thought that having the same engine rated different because of the body it was in was B.S. There are to many variables involved such as track conditions, air, altitude, engine builder, driver, etc. Hell....even some tracks are downhill.

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Who the heck is doing the factoring ????????? When it was done before you did not have to wait for ever for it to come out . Now they just take their old time . Who ever did it before seemed to do it fair and not just take numbers out of thin air . Am I the only one who thinks this way???? Well what will be will be . We will just have to go with it

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Hmmm lets see here..lets take a 99 Pontiac(R.I.P) firebird ..
Ram air with stick is NHRA-rated at 342..now lets move on to same with non fresh air ...that one is 7 more at 349.(they did a lousy job with the fresh air package)...moving on to auto with non fresh air wich is another 20 hp up at 369..(those stick shifts arent really efficient..)again moving on to the top of the line...auto with fresh air...lets see..that package dont work as good on the track for some reason..so leave that at -5 = 364...hmm..all this makes perfect sence to me...NOT!!! ...this is so stupid that there is no word for it!...on top of that "Formula" and "Trans Am" will put them in different classes also

with all that said...a formula with LS1 fresh air and a stick shift trans must be one of the best cars out there at only 342..a whopping 27 hp lower than one with auto and "non fresh air"...dont understand why not more are using this combo!