Dry Ice At Indy
 

Will the officials turn their head and show a blind eye to competitors using anything, but ice [ you know that frozen water stuff ] to cool the car? Last year dry ice [ you know that stuff not found anywhere naturally on earth ] was seen in the staging lanes being used to cool intakes and fuel !!!!

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Larry, I asked NHRA tech about this. I don't see why it would not be a better solution than wet ice, but I never got any response. I saw a lot of that stuff last year too. I like it, but I don't want to have any issues with it from tech. I would think it to be a safer deal, but who knows? If NHRA was smart, they could sell the stuff in the lanes! LOL.

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James it wouldn't be safe if it was either mishandled or left somewhere where a kid or pet could be in real trouble because of it.It can be dangerous stuff.

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Ed, please explain. Is it the fact that it could burn the skin or what is it? There are a lof ot things in the lanes or the pits that could hurt a kid or an animal that we use at the track.(if not handled properly) Not trying to be a smart a@@, just wondering.

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I think the small chance of someone burning their skin is far outweighed by the fact that it leaves no water residue to end up on the track.

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Longbob,

You are correct, it will knock you out and burn your skin real bad... If you have it in a car or trailer or enclosed space in can be very dangerous... Should only handle with heavy gloves....Be careful you can be seriously hurt for ever... Keep far away from Kids..

* The other side is it really works, try using the snow or pellets, instead of Ice blocks
Snow & Pellets won't last as long block ice but is much easier to handle ..

.Good Luck & be safe....

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question? how much et. do you pickup putting dry ice in fuel cell? saw this done at Topeka national event in class run off, must have passed fuel check, because he won class. Their other car was one of the top qualifier. Tom

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Keyboard cleaner was better and it dissappeared immediately. Looked funny though. And of course it is outlawed (I think).

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James,the posts after mine gave some other reasons.We all know that some people in our sport are more responsible than others.What happens if at the end of the race they just chuck the stuff and go?
I've seen some real nasty situations in the short time (11 years) I've been running stock.Example:
3 years ago at the Toyo Nats.Someone parked near me in the field dumped their black water tank before they left.So leaving dry ice behind wouldn't be out of the question for a cretin like this.
It's only my opinion right or wrong.

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Dry ice has been used on airplanes food trolleys in specific quantities applications to make it safe.
It does hurt the skin if one comes in direct contact with it.

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my fuel checked @ 54 degrees at bowling green for record run on hottest day of year so far in kentucky... with no artificial help ... just chilled fuel for several hours prior to heading to staging lanes, have well thought out cool can and insulation for lines...

has been checked as low as 48 degrees ... just use you head and manpower, save money and risks

and the temp guage was still on 100 at scales

jack mccarthy

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Can you get the fuel to cold, and it creates condensation in the carbs?:confused:

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it doesnt help as much when outside temp is under 70 degrees
never had it slow me down !

jack

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If you hold a piece of dry ice too long, it feels like it is burning your skin. Your skin isn’t actually burning, though. What is actually happening is that the dry ice is freezing your skin. The dry ice is carbon dioxide that has been frozen at -110 °F (-79 °C). That’s why it hurts when you hold it too long, because your skin is starting to freeze from its cold. Freezing skin is a bad thing, so I recommend not letting dry ice ’burn’ you.


The reason that freezing and burning can feel the same is because touching things that are very cold can do the same thing to your cells as touching things that are very hot. The burning feeling comes from some of your skin cells being damaged and breaking open. This happens when the cells’ membranes are broken open. (You can think of the cell membrane as the wall of the cell.) If you touch something hot, some of the cell membranes are actually melted, breaking the cells open. If you touch something very cold, the water in your cells turns into ice, forming crystals that can tear through the cell membranes. In either case the result is the same - the cells are damaged. This is what you feel.

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Wow that was a great explanation. Thank you

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FYI

found this on NHRA's website under rule amendments for Alcohol dragster and funny cars.

“Artificial cooling and/or heating of fuel (i.e. cool cans, ice, Freon, etc.) prohibited on the car. Insulated fuel lines and fuel tanks prohibited. Artificial cooling and/or heating of fuel confined to the pit area only. The use of dry ice and/or liquid nitrogen for artificial cooling of fuel prohibited.”


Greg Schenck

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Break right, break right, chaff, chaff, chaff!!!

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[QUOTE=Schenck;132502]FYI

found this on NHRA's website under rule amendments for Alcohol dragster and funny cars.

"Artificial cooling and/or heating of fuel (i.e. cool cans, ice, Freon, etc.) prohibited on the car. Insulated fuel lines and fuel tanks prohibited. Artificial cooling and/or heating of fuel confined to the pit area only. The use of dry ice and/or liquid nitrogen for artificial cooling of fuel prohibited."

Doesn't mention that under Super Stock.

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It's like anything else, judicial and intelligent handling make the product safe but there will always be someone that will act just plain stupid.

Should you ban NOx at the event just because some idiot might try and sniff a bottle?

Somewhere there has to be a balance and people have to take responsibility for themselves.

Jim R

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[quote=Ed Wright;132546]Only a matter of time.

My guess something they were doing was getting out of hand.

Greg

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Top paragraph page 250 in 09 rule book;

"Fuel/Air: Any method of artificially cooling or heating fuel prohibited (i.e., cool cans, Freon, wet rags, ect.), except as noted in Class Requirements. Cool cans, wet towels, ect. are permitted in Super Stock, Stock, Super Comp, Super Gas, Super Street, and E.T. classes. Wet towels, rags, ice, ect.must be removed before vehicle leaves staging aera. Ambient-temperature air only; cooling or otherwise changing the conditions of the intake air is prohibited. Spraying of intake with any artificial spray or coolant prohibited.

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One would think that dry ice would be preferred over regular ice. No water involved

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You would think that they would allow something like computer duster, but we got told at Englishtown that we were running Stock not Pro Stock! It was better than watering down the staging lanes.