1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower?
 

Posted by Patsy:


Rumor heard today: Indexes drop by .50 next year. Trigger point -1.00 under.

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If i read it correctly that's only .10 more than the current trigger for automatic hit.Gives the fast guys
a little more wiggle room.

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ED,
Really, it's gives them 6 tenths more before HP adjustment.

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ED,
Really, it's gives them 6 tenths more before HP adjustment. HP Committee can now meet once every five years instead of twice a year.

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I'll believe it when I see it. Car counts are down now, loosing the slower cars will take more money out of their pockets. I don't see it happening.

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If this is the case the only combinations capable of getting hp are the new mustangs and challengers.

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I'se be one of the slow ones, I'se be done if they drop the index .50. I'se be do this for fun, I'se do not do this so I can bitch about everything that goes on!

#5457

Curt Rees

Ps Geez, I am having a tantrum, must be the South Dakota water!

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I mentioned two weeks ago already that TD and TS will be in permanently within the next few years and that SS and Stock will be phased out of Natl Events altogether. NHRA's thinking is that we are a hassle with all of this AFHS crap, TEARDOWN costs and complaining. Squeaky wheels will eventually be replaced.

NHRA can save themselves time and some money by cutting costs at the scales, fuel check and in the teardown barn.

Plus the ignorant fans only want to see SPEED

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[QUOTE=mannymen; NHRA's thinking is that we are a hassle with all of this AFHS crap, TEARDOWN costs and complaining. Squeaky wheels will eventually be replaced.

NHRA can save themselves time and some money by cutting costs at the scales, fuel check and in the teardown barn.

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Yep.....Its coming even if you dont think so right now. The modified guys didnt think they would be replaced with S/G and S/C years ago either. After qualifying is over in T/S and T/D they dont even need to fuel check or weigh the high dollar bracket cars any more. Its just a dial in bracket race after that.

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Terry,

Don't give them any ideas or they will begin making you file a protest fee to weigh a competitiors car!

Sadly, you may be correct on the cost issue but I gotta tell you, after watching some of the faster .90 cars coast until the 330' clocks at Joliet (about right where the spectator stands end for the most part) I'd see them just having the T/S and T/D cars. The fans didn't even see those .90 cars under power!!

Could they just run Stock eliminator the same way as T/S & T/D? All run, and all dial in. Only having tech at "class eliminator races"? You could start a new career as a tech man...

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Have Class Elims at one ot two Nationals per division.
At other events make it a dial-in race, like it is now... BUT... eliminate the heads-up races during eliminations. I think more guys would run Stock and S/Stock if they didn't have to deal with being killed in a head-up run with a guy who can slaughter the index but doesn;t have to drive that round.
Probably not a popular response on this site, but we need to do something before the Classes no longer exist.

Now is the time to get some fresh ideas out there. Monitoring every car, every pass is not going to continue in my opinion, this is just one of many options to consider.

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LOL.....Nope, never, nadda, not gonna happen....lots of better things to do. I ALMOST screwed up and started a sportsman association with Alex but after all of the complaining I see on here I figured it wasnt worth the grief. Besides with the economy they way it is I dont think its a good idea right now.

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You are correct, it won't be a popular post, but ending "heads up" runs during the eliminator may be the only way to keep the classes around. As it is now, the exotic items that have crept in have made some folks drop out, and it is clear that the faster cars have a big advantage or there wouldn't be so many recently built.

Around my house there used to be more 442's than Oldsmobile built, but now it is the 396/427 Camaro at NHRA races which vastly out pace production. Alas, the lowly forgotten Vega...

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As I also mentioned about a month ago. NHRA tends to follow what the IHRA does in regards to eliminating heads up runs at races and for new classes. IHRA = Steve Jobs and the NHRA = Bill Gates

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Hey ED, we need to take our slow cars and go home...........:mad:

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They need shove the ahfs !!!

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You can take your slow cars and move them along with ours to the Sportsman (slow) ET class at your weekend bracket race, but wait then there will eventually be big dollar bracket races for the slow sportsman cars. When that happens the races will just get infested by the Ricardson's and Bogacki's and then we'll all be pushed out again with nowhere to go. Wednesday night car cruises it will be.

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So the main concern here is just how to deal with the "heads up" situation on raceday right?

From a fan perspective, this seems like a good idea and it looks like it will save money. Less cars trigger the ahfs meaning less teardowns, less crying, and more 1320 racing. It looks as if this could be a little harder on parts for some, but otherwise seems fair. The only problem I see is that everyone wants to run in A/SA, A/S, and B/SA, B/S where there can be a lack of parity in performance sometimes causing more heads up battles and causing more of them to be decided by performance instead of the driver. Super Stock doesn't have as many classes that are as filled as these so they shouldn't have much of problem.

I just don't see how this will affect all of the classes below D/SA, most of those classes will be fine even with this rule in place. That really shouldn't keep very many people home.

Like I said, this is an outside perspective.

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I may not win them all, but the prospect of a heads up run has a lot of appeal to me personally. there are a lot more choices in drag racing to avoid heads up runs than opportunities to find one. JMHO.

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Two Sports Nat's in each div.We already have the Dutch.Add one at Atco.F$%@ National Events.
Bob,you could use the wagon for car service.Just park in any mall.

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They can eliminate us from national events. I prefer they have more national opens that run class eliminations. If they do away with heads up races during the elminator then I would be done. The performance and technical challenge is what appeals to me about class racing not the dial in racing.

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Don;t forget if you lower the index you get rid of the1000 ft DUMPERS
This is why you have heads up racing to make it more interesting..

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I hope this is true, will make for real racing, the way it should be.

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There have always been soft combinations. New cars that were soft initially ( this list could go on for pages) There are always people with more money than others that are ready to spend it, Thats life. It still class racing. Thats why i'm bummed I sitting behind a desk and not at indy right now. I hope there are more of us left that live for class and heads up racing. We will be on borrowed time when thay kill heads up racing. Its pretty much all we have left to separate us from $3000 bracket cars.

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AMEN Paul and James.

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The essence of drag racing...

The fact is, Class racing and the same-class matchups that occur (infrequently) in Stock and Super Stock Eliminator(s) is the only PURE drag racing left unless you want to include CIC racing in Comp, which admittedly, has no breakouts, but does have moveable handicaps (CIC induced.)

The heads up DRAG RACING that goes on under the two aforementioned situations is all that's left of
"drag racing" for the Sportsman racer.

ALL the rest is just Bracket racing.

Nothing wrong with Bracket racing (I have a Bracket car, myself), but don't confuse it with DRAG RACING.
It may LOOK like drag racing, and it may even sound like drag racing (minus an active throttle stop) but it's not....

Drag Racing got its start with 4 Stock classes, NO handicaps and no breakouts.... It was ALL heads-up racing.... no Christmas tree, just a flagman.

Would it have grown and prospered, and become the nationwide phenomenon that it became if it had had all the handicaps, breakouts and dial-ins that we have today, at the outset?

I doubt it; it was pure and simple and people could understand it. First car (of two that left together) to the finish line wins!!!

That was drag racing...

If you kill heads up runs, you have killed the essence of what made this sport great.

You can rationalize all you want about the perceived "damage" done by a system that includes heads-up/no breakout runs, but do away with that and you've gutted the soul of this sport.

My 2-cents...

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I didn't say slow, I said slower. We are pretty much all slower than someone else. In SS, That would include all but Caro, our (Div 4) prenial #1 guy.

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did you guys miss the math ?
drop indexes .50 new trigger 1.00 = 1.50 under current index... only .10 more wiggle room

anyway as much as i have BEGGED for it i agree with the MONEY issue NHRA would be idiots to lower them now it would cut into thier MONEY and that is pretty much what they seem to be all about

jack

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Jack,thanks for the vindication.Obviously us "lower class" drivers have the time to think going down the track.Even have time to eat a snack before looking back at 1,000'.
Bobby B.,thanks for what???????????????????????????

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The way I read it,1.50 under the current index will only trigger a "review".It takes 1.40 under the current index to get automatic horsepower.Drop the indexes by .50,and it will then take 1.90 under before a combination would receive automatic horsepower.
Probably a lot less bookkeeeping for NHRA.However,I'm sure there will still be some people complaining that a 1.90 under car can get horsepower!

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Current T/SA index 14.70 Trigger at 1.40=13.30
With .50 off index 14.20 Trigger at 1.00=13.20

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Current T/SA Index 14.70----Trigger a review at 1.15=13.55----Automatic HP at 1.40=13.30
Lower Index .5 14.20----Trigger a review at 1.00=13.20----Automatic HP at 1.40=12.80

Lowering the Index by .5 will give racers five more on the top if you don't change the Automatic HP number. Lowering the trigger will only make reviews come easier.

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Thanks for explaining that.