AHFS and the CJs
 

The AA/SA (9.44) and A/SA (9.73) records are now held by Jimmy Holzman and Chad Holzman respectively after their runs at Kearney last weekend; however they did not receive a HP adjustment. After rechecking the section on the AHFS on the NHRA website; I am assuming that because the numbers that came up on the scoreboard (9.68) for Jimmy, and (9.97) for Chad were not 1.40 under their respective indexes, they are not subject to a HP increase. If my interpretation is incorrect, please shed additional light on this subject.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct.

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Its official, the CJ's have made a mockery of Stock Eliminator.

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You have it right Bill but the 9.83 (1.42 under) today by the stick car in Virginia should get atleast the stick guys 14hp

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Congratulations to all who shared in the mockery. The Ford guys are proud of our little 331 cubic inch blown CJ's. Maybe next year Brian Wolfe will get the Nobel Peace prize.

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Or maybe next year there will be a Supercharged class ! LOL

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Thanks, Denny. Before I left to go out, I checked DRC but nothing was posted; now that I have returned home, I see the run by Fezell. He qualified #2 (9.91) at Z-max; I spoke to him after the run and he told me that he didn't like the clutch in the car at all. With a 9.830, maybe he has changed it.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct.

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I don't see any distinction between the stick and auto combos as far as AHFS goes, they should both get hit

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NHRA does :-)

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Chad, that is a brilliant idea, why didn't you come up with it after the 396 got hit?

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actually if you look at the class guide, there is no distinction between the stick combo and the auto combo, therefore both SHOULD get the HP. if the factor drops below 7.5 does that make them ineligible? serious question as I'm not sure

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Below a 7.5 pw factor would make them a AA/stock only combo. No matter how low a pw factor is you can run AA/stock.

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how close are these cars to being put in AA only??

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8hp more will put the CJ Coupe under 7.5 factor

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Yes a 439 hp factor puts the coupe at 7.38, but the convertible will be at 7.57 pw factor and still would be able to fit A/stock.

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Junior-

I believe it's four h.p., then they will be AA only.

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Sean, is yours going to be an aa car?

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Jerry-

Kinda looks that way. I don't think there's gonna be a choice.

Sean

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A Cour in Ford again? Cool. I was talking to your Dad as he and Jim Waldo were ogling Chevy stuff at the SEMA show last fall. I tried to shoo them over to the Ford booth to see "proper" stuff and he smiled and hinted at returning to Fords. I can imagine it'll be real fast.

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America can rest at night now knowing the only combo in stock eliminator that was bogus is going to get s gift. The only thing this guys did was run his car, something those big block Camaro's in stock eliminator aren't doing at NHRA races. Does'nt matter though, anyone who objectively looks at these sheets knows that there are several underfactored combos out there but it's that fact that this one is a Ford that has some people up in arms. To make this fair to some NHRA should make all cars run on a chassis dyno beofre elims and compare their et's with their chassis numbers, like NASCAR does; would that level the playing field for most pure stock eliminator guys who are trying to preserve the integrity of the class?

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Its NOT the fact that its a Ford. It because this Ford has a BLOWER on it. Anytime a car has had a blower (57 312's) or a Turbo (Buicks) it has been a lop sided race until they were factored to where they belong. They will still be "KILLERS" in S/S (SS/D or SS/E) which is where they should have been classified to begin with.

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Chad, virtually all combinations start out equal in hp (stick vs auto), but over time the auto combos tend to get hit more and end up rated higher because there are far more auto Stocker. Why should NHRA change that rule out of the blue?

Now, lets play by the rules. The stick went fast and it will get hit on Monday. If something is not on the NHRA site by then, I'm sure all of you will suspect that Ford has paid off NHRA to not hit the CJ. I'm sure that Glendora has the pen ready to strike as soon as the season is over on the auto CJs, as more than two cars have gone 1.15 or more under and I'm quite sure the average will be beyond a second under. Remember, I also agree that the CJs are under-rated and I feel for those who have worked hard, just to run against such a strong combo. So who is to blame? Ford, NHRA?

Why are you guys so uptight, the LT-1 and LS cars ruled the roost for about a decade and are now in line with the competition. Was it fair for all the racers who competed against them to have to deal with that wrath for about 10 years? You can say it wasn't the manufacturers intent, but the result was the same for the competition. ALL the manufacturers played the game in the '60 and '70, so now those who "wish racing was like it was back then" can once again have a taste of the past.

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Yawn.

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I don't care whether its a ford, a chevy, a dodge, or a briggs powered lawnmower. the fact is these cars ( and the Challangers it seems) are factory race cars. Yes there are other underfactored combos out there. I've always said that an altitude factored record was bogus, and that the number couldn't be duplicated at sea level. Well the CJ's have changed that, i belive they can run that number at sea level. NHRA has allowed Ford to subtract over 100 hp from the GT500 (new one is 540hp) with no SUBSTANTIAL changes. Chrysler at least has the balls to do it all motor. Ford and Chrysler built ringers that are way faster than any 427/425, 396, L88 or LS1. There is no FE powered for or hemi stocker that will run with them, period. Now i know there are alot of other AA/SA cars faster than us, and we're working on narrowing that gap. However, short of borrow a SS motor, we'll never outrun a CJ. I think they are bad for the sport.

Evan, there is one big difference between the LT/LS cars and the CJ's, actually two. One, the HP factor that NHRA gave the LT cars, was the same one that GM advertised in the showrooms. THe CJ's are AT LEAST 75 HP below what Ford advertises in the showrooms (there is no substantial difference between the CJ motor and the GT500). The second is that the LT/LS motors don't make their own atmosphere. I've been friends with our mutual friend Chris Johnson long enough to know what the forced induction mod motors are capable of with a few strokes of the keyboard. If ford was willing to warranty it at 500hp, God knows what it is capable of. Evan, i understand about the LT/LS cars, there was a time when i didn't want to run them either, but this isn't apples to apples.

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Here are some picture I took last February at the races in Phoenix, AZ.