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Jack McCarthy 10-12-2009 01:20 PM

fords FIRST forced induction stocker !
 
i remember a... i think 1957 ford with a paxton supercharger that blew through the carburetor... ran H/SA was called the "Hoosier Hurricane"... im sure all you old guys had one !

jack mccarthy

irvin johns probably owned it :)

Bob Mulry 10-12-2009 01:48 PM

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Hi Jack,

There was a guy out here in California by the name of Larry Walker who ran a 1957 with the Paxton blower.

NHRA gave him a lot of grief, so he named it Legal-Cheater.

That was back in the late 60's or early 70's and that car flew

Bob

BlueOval Ralph 10-12-2009 03:15 PM

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There was a 1957 Ford Wagon also some guys from Tulsa or Oklahoma City, OK owned it, one of them went on to be a Ford enginer in Dearborn. Also one in the Detroit area a 2-dr Paul Stanfanisky not sure of correct spelling




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Originally Posted by Bob Mulry (Post 145728)
Hi Jack,

There was a guy out here in California by the name of Larry Walker who ran a 1957 with the Paxton blower.

NHRA gave him a lot of grief, so he named it Legal-Cheater.

That was back in the late 60's or early 70's and that car flew

Bob


Rory McNeil 10-12-2009 03:41 PM

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[QUOTE=Bob Mulry;145728]Hi Jack,

There was a guy out here in California by the name of Larry Walker who ran a 1957 with the Paxton blower.

NHRA gave him a lot of grief, so he named it Legal-Cheater.

That was back in the late 60's or early 70's and that car flew

Bob, Larry Walkers old 57 Ford has been up here in Western Canada since the early 70`s, but was repainted black, and last run about 1974 or 75. The pics I have of the car at Mission Raceway show it was in G/SA at that time. It`s been "napping" for the past almost 35 years! The same guy has owned it since he bought it from Walker, and the car was recently repainted to the "Legal Cheater" configuration and hopefully will be out at some local "oldies" races next season.
By the way, I have an old Car Craft article on Walkers Ford from "back in the day", where he told of having to take a NHRA Tech person for a pass, with a boost gauge hooked up, to ensure that the boost was not higher than factory spec. Maybe if NHRA still checked ,(& mandated) such things, this whole kerfuffle with the new "Cobra Jet" Mustangs, and years of #1 qualifying Turbo 4 cyl. MoPars would not be the issue it has become, eh?

Tony Janes 10-12-2009 03:42 PM

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Here is a picture of Larry Walker's 1957 Ford H SA at the 1969 Hot Rod Meet Meet at Riverside. Larry turned some 12.90's with the car.

doug schriener 10-12-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 145744)
There was a 1957 Ford Wagon also some guys from Tulsa or Oklahoma City, OK owned it, one of them ent on to be a Ford enginer in Dearborn. Also one in the Detroit area a 2-dr Paul Stanfanisky not sure of correct spelling

Hi- The guys from Oklahoma were Parham and Payne;on the 57 Ford site there are several more blown cars that ran NHRA-I heard Larry Walker's car is up in Alberta,eh?

art leong 10-12-2009 06:23 PM

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[QUOTE=Rory McNeil;145754]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry (Post 145728)
Hi Jack,

There was a guy out here in California by the name of Larry Walker who ran a 1957 with the Paxton blower.

NHRA gave him a lot of grief, so he named it Legal-Cheater.

That was back in the late 60's or early 70's and that car flew

Bob, Larry Walkers old 57 Ford has been up here in Western Canada since the early 70`s, but was repainted black, and last run about 1974 or 75. The pics I have of the car at Mission Raceway show it was in G/SA at that time. It`s been "napping" for the past almost 35 years! The same guy has owned it since he bought it from Walker, and the car was recently repainted to the "Legal Cheater" configuration and hopefully will be out at some local "oldies" races next season.
By the way, I have an old Car Craft article on Walkers Ford from "back in the day", where he told of having to take a NHRA Tech person for a pass, with a boost gauge hooked up, to ensure that the boost was not higher than factory spec. Maybe if NHRA still checked ,(& mandated) such things, this whole kerfuffle with the new "Cobra Jet" Mustangs, and years of #1 qualifying Turbo 4 cyl. MoPars would not be the issue it has become, eh?

That's a great idea. Couple that with flowbench testing every N/A car and I'm all for it.

bill dedman 10-12-2009 07:53 PM

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Parham and Payne's car (at least, the one I photographed at the '67 Tulsa World Finals) was a Failrlane 500, 4-door hardtop and was the national record holder that year. They were listed as being from Skiatook, OK, a Tulsa suburb to the north...

There was also a blue, '57 Thunderbird at that same race with a blown 312 running C/SA. I watched him leave from an idle, on the 7" tires of the day, and run a 13 flat, in qualifying. Don't remember the MPH... or, where he was from; Ohio, maybe...

Bob Rice has pictures of both of those cars, I believe. If he sees this, maybe he'll post them for us. There MAY be a picture of the T-Bird's engine among those... not sure.

I think that Paxton had not yet bought the McCulloch supercharger business, yet, in 1957.... could be wrong.

Pat Cook 10-12-2009 08:39 PM

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Probably Gordon Payne (Ford Engineer) he used to come out to the Ford Arizona Proving Ground quite often, really good guy.

bill dedman 10-12-2009 10:52 PM

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Those blown 312's were killer-fast, but a '57 Pontiac won the top Stock class at the Nationals that year; ran 94mph and change, on street tires with the air cleaner on and no dump tubes; through the mufflers.


317 HP 347 solid-lifter, Tri-Power, 3-speed, stick car; John Zink from Tulsa, I believe.

I've always wondered why a Ford didn't win that.... forced induction, and all....

Rory McNeil 10-12-2009 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by doug schriener (Post 145761)
Hi- The guys from Oklahoma were Parham and Payne;on the 57 Ford site there are several more blown cars that ran NHRA-I heard Larry Walker's car is up in Alberta,eh?

No, it has been in British Columbia Canada (West Coast) since about 71 or 72.

Fred Holdorf 10-13-2009 12:09 PM

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Larry Walker (F/S-F/SA)business coupe, George Catlin (retractable hartop), Parham & Payne (two door wagon & 4 Dr hardtop), Marcel D'Avignon (4 door wagon & he bought my Fairlane post 2 door), Fred Holdorf (J/SA Fairlane 2 door), and a T-Bird I don't remember his name. These were the few of the group who ran blower Ford's in the 60's and 70's. I only wish I still had mine. Car came from Tony Janes, engine pieced together from all over the US. Lots of fun, lots of headaches. I haven't talked to Larry in many years but would like to thank him for the help he gave me back then. Fred

Ed Wright 10-13-2009 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat Cook (Post 145818)
Probably Gordon Payne (Ford Engineer) he used to come out to the Ford Arizona Proving Ground quite often, really good guy.

Yep, that is Gordon. His partner, Bill Parham, is still around here. His son has a race car now. Talked to Bill at the Tulsa track a few weeks ago. Both great guys. Bill says Gordon still has the first one, a black 2rd hard top, and he is restoring it.

Bob Rice 10-13-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 145807)
Parham and Payne's car (at least, the one I photographed at the '67 Tulsa World Finals) was a Failrlane 500, 4-door hardtop and was the national record holder that year. They were listed as being from Skiatook, OK, a Tulsa suburb to the north...

There was also a blue, '57 Thunderbird at that same race with a blown 312 running C/SA. I watched him leave from an idle, on the 7" tires of the day, and run a 13 flat, in qualifying. Don't remember the MPH... or, where he was from; Ohio, maybe...

Bob Rice has pictures of both of those cars, I believe. If he sees this, maybe he'll post them for us. There MAY be a picture of the T-Bird's engine among those... not sure.

I think that Paxton had not yet bought the McCulloch supercharger business, yet, in 1957.... could be wrong.

Here you are Mr. Bill.

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/w...1_pp57copy.jpg
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/w...t-birdcopy.jpg
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/w...enginecopy.jpg

Bob Rice 10-13-2009 02:32 PM

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The Goodson Brothers from Jacksonville, NC, ran the supercharged 312 in a 2 door sedan, a 2 door wagon, a sedan delivery and a Thunderbird.

bill dedman 10-13-2009 10:57 PM

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Bob,

Thanks a lot for posting those photos! You sure cleaned them up nice (taken with a plastic, 620 (?) Brownie Hawkeye, I think... LOL!!!

And, thanks for the photo credit, but that's not necessary...

You da man!!!! :)

Tom P 10-14-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 145836)
but a '57 Pontiac won the top Stock class at the Nationals that year; ran 94mph and change, on street tires with the air cleaner on and no dump tubes; through the mufflers.

317 HP 347 solid-lifter, Tri-Power, 3-speed, stick car; John Zink from Tulsa, I believe.


Would that be JD Zink (or some relation) the Comp racer with the A/ND?

Ed Wright 10-14-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom P (Post 146098)
Would that be JD Zink (or some relation) the Comp racer with the A/ND?

Think it was Jack Zink (from here in Tulsa) that won Indy with an old Offy. 1955 or so? He also ran some dirt track stuff.

Eddie Rezac 10-14-2009 03:08 PM

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I believe Bill Nelson, out of Tucson, Az. ran this combo in a wagon.
Eddie Rezac

Dave Edwards 10-14-2009 09:04 PM

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The class winner at the 1967 or 1968 (can't recall which) US Nationals in C/SA was a WHITE 1957 blown Thunderbird, owned by Gail Parsons of Newark, Ohio and driven by Dave Edmonds. Gail and Dave also raced a 1957 Ford sedan for one or two seasons prior to the 'Bird. They were on top of things back in those days; like putting the fourth gear in the standard T-10 three speed case which the Ford came with. I can't remember the outcome of this but do recall the effort as the rules did state only the use of the original case; so what ever you could get in there...ingenuity, some things never change.

Ed Wright 10-15-2009 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddie Rezac (Post 146110)
I believe Bill Nelson, out of Tucson, Az. ran this combo in a wagon.
Eddie Rezac

I know Bill. He has a shop in Tuscon. Does a lot of late model performance work. Didn't know he was an old racer. I'll have to ask him about his blown Ford.

Rory McNeil 10-16-2009 10:49 AM

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Since I had a couple of PM`s regarding the Car Craft article on Larry Walkers 57 Ford, I dug thru my old magazines, and found that issue. It was the August 1969 issue, and was part of a big "Jr. Stock" story`, which also included Truppi Kling, Johnny Bartlett, and a few others. The Walker story itself was almost 3 full pages, including several photo`s including the head gaskets that Larry Walker modified by soldering thin wire to make a home brewed "O ring" head gasket for a Ford Y Block 312. Hopefully Walkers old "Legal Cheater" 57 Ford will be in action again next year, for the first time in about 35 years.

doug schriener 10-16-2009 06:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 146363)
Since I had a couple of PM`s regarding the Car Craft article on Larry Walkers 57 Ford, I dug thru my old magazines, and found that issue. It was the August 1969 issue, and was part of a big "Jr. Stock" story`, which also included Truppi Kling, Johnny Bartlett, and a few others. The Walker story itself was almost 3 full pages, including several photo`s including the head gaskets that Larry Walker modified by soldering thin wire to make a home brewed "O ring" head gasket for a Ford Y Block 312. Hopefully Walkers old "Legal Cheater" 57 Ford will be in action again next year, for the first time in about 35 years.

It'd be fun to watch it race!!!!


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