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A friend has a 66 Bel Air 2dr post in real nice shape ,and he's talking about stock elim ! He also has a couple of 427's that he would like to have built for the car ! The car will be an automatic !
Does he have to run a 12 bolt, or could he use a Dana S-60 ! I did'nt know if he could , as i'm a Mopar person ! Where would this fit as far as Class ? Thanks for the help,,,,,,,,,,,John

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John....a 12 bolt is all he can use that has any strength and the 427/425 HP engine is a 4 speed only combo for 1966. The automatic wasnt used until 1969 behind a 427/425. The 396/325 can use an automatic (400 or 350 Turbo) or a 4 speed. As a S/S car he could use the Dana 60 or a Ford 9 inch..

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X-Tech Man, Didn't they have a lower HP 427 in 66 with an auto ? Thanks for the starting of many questions !,,,,,,,,,,,,John

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Yes....there is a 427/390 HP factored (derated) to 371 HP. It has oval port heads, smaller cam, cast iron intake, and uses a Q-jet carb.

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X- Tech Man,,,,,,, Do you have any idea where a person would figure the weight of a BARGE like this, to see what class it would fit in ?
Anybody know about the engine combination, as far as the cam , etc, could it be competitive ?,,,,,,,,Thanks again ! Later ,,,,,,,,,,, John

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It falls at 10.18 with a turbo automatic. Thats E/SA. multiply 10 X 371 HP for 3710 lbs then add the 170 lbs for the driver. It can run D, E, F. The weight I gave you is for E. I have the engine specs and you can find them on the NHRA site under blueprint specs. I will be home later and if you cant find them I will give the engine specs to you around 7:30 PM EST.

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X-Tech Man, thanks a bunch from the CHEBBY guy !. I don't want people thinking that i'm going to jump ship,, ,what with all of this Chebby Sh#t ! Thanks................ John

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John, I run a very similar combo. I may be able to help you out quite a bit. Let me know. Thanks

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John the 427 390 HP is rated at 10.25 comp. with 96.4 c.c. oval port heads. It uses a Q Jet Carb and has a cast iron intake manifold. Not sure of the number as its not listed on my specs. (Might be the same as a 396/325 HP engine?) The bore is 4.250 and the stroke is 3.766. It has .008 deck and a dome piston of .140 thou. The legal piston numbers can be found on the NHRA piston list. The intake valve is 2.07 and the exhaust is 1.725. The cam lift is .462 intake and .480 exhaust. It uses an outer spring with dampner. Head gasket is .028 and the 7 different allowed head casting numbers are as follows.......702, 390, 802, 215, 063, 280, and 290. These are the last 3 numbers for each. Hope this helps.

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Many moons ago, I had one with a 283/220 horse PG combibation.It had a 12 bolt, and went into P/SA and with the 220 horse factor x 16 pounds +170 for driver's weight,it weighed in at 3690 minimum. It ran a 6.14 gear and I left at 4000 against the converter,shifted at 7400 and went through the lights at 7800 at 98 miles per. Never blew that thing up, what with cast Badger pistons and stock valves and all, but if it would have broken the engine in the lights, the destruction would have been complete. A 66 Chevelle station wagon was an easier car for that class. The 427/390 with the automatic sounds neat, however.

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Greg, This friend of just moved back to Wi where I live , we've been friends for 45years, and when he moved, he brought the 66 BelAir 2dr, from Santa Barbebra ,I don't know how to spell It,just west of L.A., on the water , I think, whatever ! As I was saying he also had 427, and wondering about Stk Elim. ? Really a sharp car ! Have gotten some good info for him thanks , to this site ! Any info will be helpful,,,,,,,,, John

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John, Give me a call sometime. I can put you in the right direction. Hope to hear from you soon. Scott 410-218-5855

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John-Research is always fun,especially when it's productive. The 427/390 engine was an optional big car or Corvette engine that was functionally identical to a 396/325 or 350.It took the same heads and intake as the 396-intake ending in 948,easy to find. The optimal head is the 290 small-plug head cast for the 1970 402 and 454. Go find a good 2 bolt main 454 out of a pickup truck made in the early-mid '70's. A good 396 crank completes the package. The cam on this engine is the same as the 396 350 horse-around.460/480 lift on the intake/exhaust. You used to be able to find these engines in 66-68 Chevy Impala and Caprice wagons and decked out sedans. The vette version had a flat intake made of aluminum or cast iron, resembling the 70-72 402 intakes- definitely not the set-up,but probably illegal in the big car anyway.Back in the days of Orange County Raceway,around 1980-82 or so, two guys had an immaculate yellow Caprice wagon with one of these that they were playing with. It went 11.80's, pulled two foot high wheelstands, and looked like fun. I definitely think the 5.38's they were running were a bit much, but it took that much to launch that living room that hard. Build this thing and let us all see how it turns out!!

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Not trying to change the subject here but Greg, do you recall the best times for that P/SA effort years ago? A friend of mine was curious....he had a '65 4-dr. in P/SA with a OEM-piston motor and went some 13.50's @ 97 with a 5.57. Now getting back to the thread, many years ago, I saw one of the most famous 427-Big Chevy stockers...the "Lead Sled" '69 wagon of Tom Aiken from Iowa, I believe. It was at an AHRA national event, and I think he won that day. I think he was AHRA National Champ for a year or too, and set records as well. Does anyone remember the car? Was that a 427/385hp?

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Of course the veteran racers here will probably remember the '66 Biscaynes of Willey Cossey, Isykowski, and later Bobby Blankenship...and perhaps others. Darn, I hope I got the spelling on the first two right!

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427/425 hp

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13.60's at 98.It screamed its lungs out because it had the wrong converter in it. It needed a tighter stocker converter,nut a super stock converter,a 2.18 low gear,not a 1.98, and 6.14's were a little too low. That was before radial tires,the acceptance of the 459 intake, the good thin valves,the Venolia or CP pistons, and the good rods. Otherwise,I was in the ball park. Now we have 65-66 Chevelle wagons that go 12.70's at 101 with this setup. The best P.SA that we ever had around was a 66 Chevelle wagon that Cal and Mary Ann Method had that Tony Janes bought. It went 13.30's at 99 when the index was a 13.74. Those were some days!!

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Tim Quigley ran a 66 Biscayne with a 396 auto for awhile. He later changed to a 283. We took him to the dark side and put a Jerico in it. It was an O or P stick car. A real blast to drive! Had set the O and P records several times with it. Went 12.19@106 in O back when that was fast in O. Never really had a good clutch in it. It was so violent, it would rip the center out of the clutch at times!

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I let him know about all of your reply's, as he just left for Fla ! He's a puss, leaving Wi weather for Fla, with all them Thongs , and warm weather .The luckey dog ! I'm stuck here with a cast on my right arm as I broke my wrist Fri, am. This suckes,................Later John

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Mr. Reimer's Chevy along with a few others.

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Tim Quigley's car with Joe Schaechter driving. Not B but P. LOL.

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Hi. Fun seeing the pix of my old '66. Almost made me want to buy it back and build it again!! A little background on that car- it was an original 283 car with a PG, power steering and air conditioning. It was white with a blue interior.Danny Gracia bought it, made a stocker out of it and painted it. I don't know when he ran it ir who drove it, but at some time-probably the late 1970's,Tony Janes bought it from Danny and it sat in one of his garages. I came along a few years later, we put it together,I drove it a few times, then bought it turn-key in 1987, raced it a few times a year, and sold it off in 1991. We pulled the race car go fast hardware out of it as the buyer talked about putting it on the street.Well,it's still sitting, this many years later. Paint and interior are shot,but the body is still good and it's restorable. It has a 12 bolt posi with 3.31 gears,either the current owner should get off his hindquarters,or sell it to someone who will. It's amazing how much interest there still is in these cars!!

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I love the 66 big chevys, and have looked into the 427/390hp combo pretty hard, thought it looked good compared to the 396 for the main reason being it would make more torque required to pull that big sled outta the hole.

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The problem I see with the oval port 427 is that the cam is already small for a 396 with those heads. A 427 isn't really much more of a torque type engine than a 396.

I'd be concerned about getting the cylinders full enough on the 427 to make torque. With a 454 oval port engine, the longer stroke pulls on the port for a longer period of time.

A 427 only pulls on it for the same amount of time as a 396. The larger cylinder bore doesn't really help much either, as the valves are small enough that the 396 bore does not really shroud them. You have a little more piston area pulling a little hard on the port and the valve, but for the same period of time, so adding duration may not help.

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Does anyone remember, I think Tom Perdue ran a black caprice {i think} but same body style in IHRA
SS/Prodution was beautiful car.Was 283/stick can't remember 2 or 4 BBL well most prodution cars
were/still run both ways.
Mike Taylor3601

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I remember him and that Black Impala back in the early 70's. He won some, runner upped some and was fast for the times and rules.

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Looks like we could get Jimmy Parker to show us some of his old SS/R 66/67 car if he has some....Are maybe that would tell us how old he is>>>>

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Here's Marty Bernard's 'Big White Dyno'....

You won't find a nicer, better executed, better running Biscayne anywhere!!

Runs O & P/SA with the 220HP / 283" and a Glide

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Alan, Not true about the torque with a 427 oval port motor. My 335 h.p. 69 427 made more torque then a good 396 350 h.p. motor on the dyno. And the 350 h.p. motor has the larger cam.

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The 69 427/335 differs from the 385/390 horse unit by its cam. It uses the 396/325 horse cam, while the 385/390 engine uses the 396/350 horse unit.The difference is the lift. The 335/427 might just develop more cylinder pressure at the right place for some unreal torque.I would like to see one get built!

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Greg, I run a an I/SA 69 Biscayne 427 335h.p. car. Just got it finished about 3 months ago.

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We have someone out here in Div.7 that has a white one. He brings it out to points meets.Pretty nice car.It's a 350, I think it runs in L.