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http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCPh...96913#indextop

Those '62 MoPars are so ugly they are cool! For a long time, this is a combination I have thought would be fun (and $$$$) wnd reasonably competitive!

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Dwight, you need to see Jerry Bennett's and George Widuch's 62 Plymouth. It is immaculate. I'm sure there are pictures on auto imagery.

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Thanks for the post .. always looking for these, fewer and fewer on the race track these days. This looks like a very nice sample, maybe as nice as Jerry Bennett's red '62 Plymouth. During the late 60's, my dad ran a '62 Dart with the 2-4bbl / 383 auto combo. Nearly every Saturday night, we'd remove the single 4 intake and 3:23 peg-leg gear and install the 2-4's and 4:11 posi. Drive it to the track and race on Sunday, then put it back "streetable" Sunday night for the work commute next week.

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You can bet no matter what combo George and Jerry are running, it will be Fast and well built. I am fortunate to now own George's Volare which is a sister car to the one he built for Jerry. Both cars are show quality and well thought out. The '62 they now campaign is another work of art, both visually and mechanically. Jim

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Jim,

I read in one of the drag racing magazines that Jerry said that they had spent over $100,000.00 invested in the '62, WOW!

Love those "ugly" Mopars!

JimR

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Tree,
I believe that dollar amount. All the stuff in both Volares is first class. When i saw pictures of the '62 it was obvious to me who built the car. George used the same parts and engineered the car the same as the Volares. Jim

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I tracked Jerry down through his car dealership when I was trying to build an Aspen bracket car. Didn't know me from Adam and spent over an hour passing on some of the tricks he'd scienced out racing his Aspen I/SA.

Thanks again Jerry!! Twelve years and it's still a dead consistant money maker.

If the 62 is half as mean as his Aspen was.......................;)

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This is a nice piece,and a welcome departure from the norm. Does anybody know what engine combo it has in it?

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I believe it is the 413 low compression cross ram combo.

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383 inline 2x4bbls forget the hp rating

Hammer

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383 2x4 was 343hp now 330 hp .......I'd love to build one of these cars, I had a '62 Dodge wagon back in '72 with a 343hp motor,and it flew. .....Of course I got all the good hand me down parts from my Uncle when he got the latest trick cam from Lunati ,or a new converter from Turbo-action!.........Good bodies are really scarce in the North East. ......A good friend of mine, Mike Wiley actually made a nice 4 door car into a 2-door post body ! .........One of the Mopar mags did a feature on it a few years back. ...........Unless you saw the photos of it being done , you'd never believe it! ..............Tom

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Wish I could locate my old '62 wagon superstocker we ran back in the late 70's. Haven't seen the car since 1979 but would syre love to have it back.

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Checking the NHRA Classguide shows that in order to run B/SA, the car would be using one of the 413 max wedge engine. Both the 410 and the 420 horse engines have a natural class of A. The 383-343 engine is a natural E with the Fury 2dr hdtp body.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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Its a 413 crossram. Dwight is right

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CAR 54 WERE ARRRRRE YOUUUUU...OOH! OOH!:):):)

guess im showin my age:rolleyes::cool:


stacy
gtaa

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It's indeed, a 383 with 2-fours on top; a solid lifter motor with .445/.445 lift at the valve, and a de-factored NHRA "Stock" HP rating of 320; just 6 more than a '71 Duster 340, which has a single 4bbl, hydraulic lifter, motor.

Somebody (Messr.'s Bennett and Widuch) did their homework!!! :) LOL!

I think this may be the motor -type that was in a notorious MoPar station wagon back in the '70s or '80s, called "THE BEHEMOTH." Could be wrong about that...

I also seem to remember that it was never an assembly-line option; just an NHRA-legal "dealer-installed-option" from years and years, ago...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this could have been the original "paper car" engine.

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The Bennett/Widuch car runs D/SA.

No way to get a '62 Plymouth 2-door sedan into D with any of the available 413's.

It's a 383, with inline 4bbls.

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It was originally a POLICE CAR engine option in 62.

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Never heard that one...

I learn something every day!!! :)

Thanks, Terry.

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I remember when I was in High School the police Dept in the area (Seat Pleasant, Md.) had 2 of them. A 4 door and a 2 door sedan Plymouth Savoy. We thought they were the uglist cars we ever saw.....lol. Both were black all over and the slant six cylinder 4 door cars were black and white. Several of the guys I ran with were friends with some of the guys on the force and we got to look under the hoods of the two 383 cars. Man those 2 X 4 barrels looked so cool to guys who had just gotten their liscense only a few months before and were driving cars you wouldnt want to be caught dead in today.....lol. The 6 cyls were the town cars and the 2 383 cars were the hi way cars.
A guy name Al Procopio who lived near my school had the first 1962 413 Xram car I ever saw but it was a track only SS/SA car. His company built Cecil County drag strip, Capitol raceway, and Aquasco speed way. They made quite an impression on young minds back then.

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The pictured car belongs to a friend of mine. It is a 413 Max Wedge with the lower compression 11:1 Engine.
It carried a factory rating of 410 HP..... It is currently factored at 395 HP and although it was just built it has run 1.0 plus under. The owner also runs a 66 Dodge Hemi Stocker and has cleaned my clock numerous times at both National and Divisionals!:)

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Thanks for the information, John! That's a fitting "sister car" to the D Stock Automatic car of Bennett/Widuch!

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The first GatorNationals in 1970 was won by a '62 Plymouth 383/343. Tommy Callahan drove it & Frank Sulc was his partner. The car was called the Villain........I always liked the car......

Joe Kenney also ran a '62 Plymouth wagon at that time. It was called the "Trick Tank".......Joe was a good guy and liked to have fun. I can recall drinking a couple beers at the "beer stand" with him at Sanair.......Yes they sold beer in the pits and by the case! They also had a bar in the tower......

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There are a couple more 343 hp. 62 Plymouths that have been running NHRA even before the Bennett D/SA.
Logan Wernet E/SA in div.5 and Dan Walcott E/SA in div. 3

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Joe Kenneys "Trick Tank" wagon was a 62 Dodge.

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OK Terry if you say so............It's been a while...LOL!!! Dodge, Plymouth.....How 'bout a nice Desoto.....I owned two myself. Cheap street wheels....1 '58 and 1 '59......Both 361's. Real boats!

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I didnt mean anything by pointing it out but the Plymouth wouldnt make the 10.5 lb class even as a 3 passenger Fury. It was to lite and they were still rated at 343 HP back in the day plus running the wt. where they fell in the guide. . . The Dodge had to be a 9 passenger (3 seater like the Behemouth) to make the class. This was when you were not allowed to adjust your wt. and had to run the class where it fell in the class guide. Troxells old Plymouth wagon (before the Oldsmobiles) ran a class higher than Joe. Its confusing now to remember now that we can adjust the wt. up and down the natural class.

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I remember it exactly as you say Terry. Cars were picked and built a lot because they fell right on the weight break. The car was weighed without the driver and the drivers weight was not a factor. We were so "green" in those early years we never considerd the drivers weight! I think you were allowed 5 gallons of gas. We once set the record and had to pump all the fuel out of the car into a can. That run was disallowed as we were too close to the minimum weight. The driver weighed well over 200 lbs at the time!

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These cars fell at 16.02 . That's why there were quite a few of them. Some are still around.
I t certainly wasn't for the glamor !



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the villain was always an awesome car, and still is i have it sitting in my garage right now! the end of the my dad bought the car in early 80 after it was tubbed and caged by don ness and raced by rick johnson who now runs a hemi dart after my dad got it the car was bracket raced with a max wedge. but the car is still up and alive anyone have some old photos of it?

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Didn't Don Studley and Al Etter run a 62 station wagon with the 383 two four
barrel carbs in E/SA back in the day out here on the west coast?

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Yes they did.

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Mid 70's, from Amarillo, Gary Doose had the "Supply Wagon" D/SA '62 Plymouth wagon
with the 383/343 horse engine. Then put in a Max Wedge for a few races to run in B/SA.
A great runnin' wagon.

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How about Tom Kreeber in John Shaul's Mr 413 car?That car is fast.

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As memory serves: the 383/343 engine was a paper option only in 62 and produced through the help of Clay Smith Eng. in Buena Park Calif. The dual 4 option for the B engine appeared first in 1958 350 CI (Golden Commando) and continued for a number of years. It was a very mild Hyd. Lifter and had 1.60 ex. valves. The special solid lifter cam was designed and built by Clay Smith Eng. exclusively for the 343 HP and was about 284/484. It also spec'd. a 300J Head with closed chambers and 1.75 ex. valve. Shawn Langdon's grandpa George Stiegel who put the project together still runs Clay Smith Eng. I purchased a 62 Dodge Wagon F/SA with a vinyl roof covering about a ton of lead called the Orange Crate from a man named Pat Foley(sic), I " think" I stripped and took it to the dump in mid 70's. Now that the horsepower is lowered.....I wish I had left it in the darn back barn!

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The car pictured on page one of this thread has "B/SA" on the windows, not "D/SA" (it's easier to decipher the rear window than the front window.).
D/SA would be a 383/343 option, B/SA would be the 413 as Travis noted previously.
I've long thought the 383/343 would be a great Superstock engine. Since it's an inline 2x4 intake a Weiand tunnel ram would do the trick pretty cheaply. Fit it under a '68 Hemi Dart / Barracuda scoop in the GT class (and I've not seen a conclusive answer on the body parts for a GT car yet).

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Ok Jimmy Parker fill in the blanks...FrankChastain

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Jeff: See my post #21, Thanks

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But your post #21 didn't clarify what class the car is running in, just the engine. By the tone of the posts that preceded and followed your post, I sense confusion by some over what class it is in with the continued reference to the 383/343 engine.

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If you wanted to run a 383/343 combo in a SS/AH car in GT, can you run the hood scoop?