1964 Chevelle 2 dr.or 4dr. wagon......
 

Were these cars factory available w/the 327 c.i. 300hp engine/Muncie 4sp. combo, and were the other available 8 cyl. combos: 195hp 283, 220hp 283, and 250 hp 327? Also, what stock class would the 300 hp, 2 and 4dr. versions run, if in fact the 300hp was available for these models? One last question...was there an auto trans available for the '64 Chevelle 300hp model available? Must be some '64 Chevelle experts here.....Much thanks. WJ

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Steve Hook here in Div.7 has a 65 Chevelle 4 door wagon with a 220 horse engine in P/SA. Multiplying the 220 horse engine factor times 16 (the class weight break) gives the cars weight without driver.All those small blocks weigh the same, but check the factored horsepower of the engine.It may be different for the 327/300 than the factory horsepower. Also, check the classification guide to determine if a desired engine combination actually came in that body.As for the 2 door wagon,I'm not sure what the weight was. When I was in high school some 40 years ago, I used to walk home every day and see a 65 2 door wagon parked in the street by a business with 327 emblems on it, and the chrome curved Muncie 4 speed shifter was visible in front of the bench seat. Neat car!!

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The'64 Chevelle 2-door wagon is legal in NHRA, the '65 2-door wagon is not. The '64 can be run with any of the engine/transmissions, but the original automatic was a powerglide only. Neat cars & hard to find.

Jerry

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eNGINE OPTIONS
195-283 2bc
220-283 4bc
250-327 4bc
300-327 4bc
ALL THESE ENGINES WERE AVAILABLE IN THE CHEVELLE 300 2 OR 4 DOOR STATION WAGON WITH A 3 OR 4 SPEED MANUAL TRANS OR AND A POWERGLIDE TRANSMISSION AS THE ONLY AVAILABLE AUTO TRANS.---COMP 387

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Thanks everyone for that info....I was told that the only dif between the 327/250 motor and the 327/300 motor was the 300 version ran a Carter 4bbl vs. a 4GC Rochester on the 250 hp?? Any other differences in these 2 motors, heads or anything? Again, thank you. WJ

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I origionally built my 2dr 1965 300 Deluxe for O/S in the mid 70's. Back the 65 models were prefered because the 64 year cars only had a 10 bolt rears and the 65 year the 12 bolts were available. If Dwight Southerland see this thread he knows these combos inside out.

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The '64 327/250 combo uses the 283 head while the 327/300 uses the 1.94/1.5 large valve heads (461, 462, etc.). In '65, the only difference in the combos was the 4GC for the 250 HP and Carter for the 300 HP. Intake manifolds were different for Stockers.
Jerry

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So, both 250 and 300hp 327 versions of the Chevelle used the bigger valve cyl. heads in 1965? BTW, would you happen to know the dif in cfm ratings between that 300hp Carter and the 250hp 4GC?? Is it substantial or marginal? Thanks Jerry. WJ

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Jerry, NHRA lists a '65 Chevelle 300 2s wagon, which was the 2-dr., with all engine options (including the 327-350) except the 396.

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Mr. Southerland, Are you refering to the same Holley-carbed 350hp/327 motor that was available on the '66 Nova cars? Available on the '65 Chevelles?? Hmmm....maybe I wasn't paying enough attention back then...Thanks. WJ:confused:

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In 1965 the 300 HP had 1.95 intake valves vs 1.72 intake valves for the 250 HP.

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Was the 327/350hp combo available on the '65 Chevelle? I know a friend that had a '65 full-size Impala w/396/325hp 4sp combo, and heard of a few Z-16 /396 '65Chevelles being built, but thought that the first time those 327/350hp motors came around (other than in the earlier Stingray Corvettes) (I do remember that killer 327/365 '64 Corvette, as well...) was in the '66 Nova, no? When did the first 350 c.i. small blocks show--'67? Some mind-refreshing help on these 60's combos please, and pardon my ignorance...:D :confused:WJ

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Bob Gipson had a 65 Chevelle that he ran with a 283 220 hp ,327 250 hp (this had double hump heads) and even put the 327 350 hp in it. The 350 hp is not nearly as good of a combo as the other 2. I did see a 65 Chevelle 396 in C/Stick in Florida. Pretty Cool, but not the easiest deal. Bob Gipson's Chevelle is now in Nova Scotia owned and raced by Jody Noble with a 327 250 hp stick combo. Great car and always raced with a stick.

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Thanks James, I did campaign a 283/220hp 4sp '64 Chevelle hdtp Malibu SS car back in the day...Actually, it was my very 1st "new" car. A friend had a '64 non-SS bench seat Malibu hdtp w/the 327/250hp 4sp Muncie combo. We both ran 3.70 rears....I never coud get by him at the track....sometimes close, but never got it done...later down the road, I installed 4.10's and started running better #'s than him....doesn't he go out and buy a '66 Malibu higher hp combo that I couldn't touch.....;) WJ

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I am pretty sure the 350 SBC was first available in 1967 only in SS optioned camaros-295 hp factory rating. In 1968 the 350 was again offered in SS camaros and in Chevy IIs only. I would guess the 350 Chevy II was an SS option also rated at 295. Not sure when the 350 started showing up in trucks. In 1969 the 350 was available in just about everything at several HP ratings.

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W J -
Yes, the 350 hp 327 was available in all body styles as an option in the 1965 Chevelle. Also available in the Corvette. The '65 engine has a slight advantage of more compression (smaller combustion chamber). Same basic combination.

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Thanks Dwight......WJ

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Dwight,

NHRA lists all the wagons in '65 as 2s. There were 3-seat wagons in '64, but no 3-seat wagons in '65 although one was run as a 3 seater for a couple of years in Division 5. But NHRA doesn't designate the 2 dr. wagon for '65 as they do for '64. Therefore, I don't believe it's actually a legal combo in NHRA. We used to have about ten '65's in town, and they were licensed as trucks and all owned by the Milwaukee Railroad (back then, Chicago Milwaukee St.Paul & Pacific). I really don't believe any were offered to the general public for sale in '65, and I was told that they were specially built for and delivered to the railroad.

In the early '70's a friend of mine bought one from the railroad and wanted to sell it to me. I inquired about racing it, and was told it was not in the Classification Manual, but I could change the front end to a '64 and run it. It may pass through Glendora today, but it didn't back then.

Jerry

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The 1965 Chevelle page in the NHRA classguide is unclear about the 300 station wagon. That should be cleared up shortly as I have sent an e-mail to Pat at the Glendora tech dept.

The 1965 Chevelle 300 station wagon only came as a 2dr model while the 300 Deluxe and Malibu were 4dr models. I know as I owned one of the '65 2dr wagons in the early 70's. Wish I still had it today as they are extremely rare with only 1668 units built.


Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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In '64, the 327 250 hp.had the #520 or the 896 heads, and the Rochester 4GC with the small intake manifold. The 300 horse 327 had the same short block, cam, and had #461 heads and the 459 intake with the AFB. The carb looks almost identical to the rear carb on a 409.In '65, the 327 250 was equipped with the #461 heads. It had the same smll intake, and a 4GC with a Powerglide, and a WCFB if a stick.The 300/327 had the 459 intake and the AFB.The L-79 327/350 engine came out then, and was an option in the Chevelle and the Nova. It would have been possible to order out a '65 2 door 300 series wagon with the 327/350 engine and a 4 speed. How many of those do you think were made?

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Wouldn't that be a sweet little combo.....WJ

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My first run down the 1/4 mile was behind the wheel of a 64 chevelle 2 dr wagon 327 and it probably won't be a big surprise to most that it was a 4 speed. 1971 or 72 at lebanon valley. The neighbor and friend that started me going to the drags when i was 13 or 14 had 2 of those 2 dr wagons,both 64's.

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Travis,
I have a 65 2 dr wagon black w/red int. 300 w/a 300/327 glide (supposedly legit.) I also have a 65 Chevelle Brochure that shows both the 300 and 300 deluxe as available as a 2 dr. wagon. I think the only difference was carpet, fabric seats and a different outer side molding..
my 2 cents..
Larry DeForrest
SS/IA 5418

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:) not very damn many!
they only made 5 or 600 65 2dr wagons total.
around 1500 in 64...
all 300's or 300 deluxes, no malibus that I'VE ever hear of....
always wanted one...
i ain't dead yet, i may STILL snag one;)

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I bought my 1965 300 Deluxe 2dr wagon in early 1973 for $150.00 and he would have thrown in two more cars for $300 bucks. It came with rumber floors, tinted windows, A/C, and a electric powered rear tailgate window which still works. I'm not real good at figuring out class rules or weights but I ran if in a few D4 events in the mid 80's in O/S with an wide ratio Muncie. It's still a fun ride with a glide at locat bracket events but nothing like it was banging the gears. Of coarse this was back in time when there were more stick cars than automatics.

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Bimbo, there are many on here who would love to own that car......me being one of them. Best wishes. WJ

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BTW, does anyone here know of a '65 327/350hp 2 OR 4dr.wagon that is currently being NHRA campaigned in stock OR superstock? Thanks. WJ

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This is a little out of the way,but I have a '68 Chevelle 300 deluxe 2 door hardtop. Most of these were post cars, but a few hardtops were built.I built it into a stocker a few years ago. A picture of it is in the pages that Tony Janes put up from the Finals at Pomona last week. He and I were next to each other at the front of the lanes.The red Chevelle wagon is ours,too. There's still some 64-65 Chevelle 300 and Malibu wagons and hardtops in Stock and Super Stock.Neat to see!! The 327/350 is pretty rare, and it's a 4 speed only combination.

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little tommy mattingly &his big daddy have converted thier 283 65 4 door to a 327 250 hp with great success...it has already gone -1.00+ and its less than 2 month into the program.

they are in louisville ky... lost phone numbers can call glenn @ harry;s auto parts for it

jack mccarthy
nice sled too

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I haven`t seen it for a couple of years now, but Washington state racer Pat Brooks owns 2 64 Chevelle 2 dr station Wagons, one is a 283 M & N/SA racer. There should be a pic or 2 of it on Auto Imagery, I would imagine. He has owned these wagons for quite a few years, I recall when they were both street cars, the vanity plates read "HIS2dr" & HER2dr."

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.....Plenty of love left for these great old racecars for sure. WJ:)