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Could someone verify the rumor that the 396 375 HP alum. motor will get 10 HP in 2010?
Thanks in advance. Jim

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Originally Posted by Jim Cassels (Post 152961)

Could someone verify the rumor that the 396 375 HP alum. motor will get 10 HP in 2010?
Thanks in advance. Jim

Based on my numbers it wont. Other than DeFrank at Indy, I dont think it was hit in B.
Plenty of slow 396s in AA and A.

Thanks Dave, so another decent run in A should not cause a problem for anyone, correct?

Jim, Ahfs for the second half of year is done , unless someone goes 1.40 under in Ga. next week. The new Hp`s coming out soon,Tom

Thanks Tom, I guess everything is good then caus we sure as he## won't do that.
Jim

Dave, the way it was explained to me is, the same person can trigger it twice at the same race. That being said means Jimmy D. triggered it twice, putting the 396 up for review. They will average all the runs in B/SA made by a 396 and if it is 1 second under it will get HP. They won't count any of the runs made in AA or A because it does not affect the B class average. Jimmy D. triggered it at 1.34 under so the HP will be 2.25% x the current HP rounded up to the next HP. Jim any run you make in A/SA won't hurt provided you don't run 1.40 as Tom stated. Happy Holidays!!!

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Originally Posted by PJ305 (Post 153001)

..ok....?

B/SA
Dave Bridgewater 10.477 1.073 sonoma
Jim Boudreau 10.487 1.063 maple
Steve Welker 10.697 0.853 maple
Bob Moran 10.78 0.77 maple
Brooks Lee 10.902 0.648 maple
Mickey Whaley 10.73 0.82 maple
Jimmy DeFrank 10.201 1.349 indy
Terry Emmons 10.424 1.126 indy
Steve Welker 10.486 1.064 indy
Jerry Emmons 10.49 1.06 indy
A Bertozzi 10.511 1.039 charlotte
Terry Emmons 10.575 0.975 dallas
Steve Welker 10.624 0.926 hebron
Mike Fuller 10.77 0.78 hebron
Mickey Whaley 10.506 1.044 virginia
Brooks Lee 10.703 0.847 virginia
Jerry Emmons 10.484 1.066 pomona
Dave Bridgewater 10.593 0.957 pomona
17.46
18 runs
0.97 average = no HP for the 396 aluminum head

This year the adjustments came out after Norwalk so I didn't include that race...but if you include it the average drops to .962
Jim Boudreau 10.354 1.196 Norwalk
Steve Welker 10.714 0.836 Norwalk
Mike Fuller 10.839 0.711 Norwalk
20.20
21 runs
.962

Dave you are correct, that's the way it was done in 2008. This year they count every run made in a class and use that average. Ask some of the S/S guys that got hit this way earlier this year.

Mike Jeffrey received HP based off of one National Event this year (Topeka in May). It's (as far as I know) a VERY fast, one-of-a-kind 225 slant six 1980 Diplomat V/SA. Q-1 was -1.265, C-1 (doubles as Q-2) -1.233, E-1 -1.205. He received HP, based on the only National Event that combination competed at. Before 2008, he would have received no HP penalty. Apparently, the rules were changed prior to 2009, with few, if any, of us, having knowledge of the rule change that one car at one race can receive a HP hit.

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Originally Posted by PJ305 (Post 153038)

Dave you are correct, that's the way it was done in 2008. This year they count every run made in a class and use that average. Ask some of the S/S guys that got hit this way earlier this year.

Better yet. Counting every run with there "Q" data and "E" data formulas the Q data is .949 under and the E data is .903 under. So no matter how u cut it, the 396 aluminum head will not get HP this winter.

Dave, at races with no class only your fast`s run in qualifying and all the run`s in eliminations count on your average.Tom

Dave, with 18 cars in B/SA there has to be more runs faster than .500 under the index, with my motor in my car 305 there are 4 cars and there is around 20 runs to average. Tom

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Originally Posted by Tom Moock (Post 153077)

Dave, with 18 cars in B/SA there has to be more runs faster than .500 under the index, with my motor in my car 305 there are 4 cars and there is around 20 runs to average. Tom

Yep, I think I had close to 60 runs to average..

One more time..............

National events at non-corrected tracks only

If 2 runs occur in anything other than Class Eliminations that are more than -1.15 under the index for the half-year segment using the same engine, regardless of transmission type, a review is triggered. You have to use every run down the track to establish the average. If the first qualifying pass is the fastest than there will be no way to know what the other runs are. A qualifying sheet only shows the fastest pass of the event.

1...NHRA will look at ALL cars that use that engine (Auto & Sticks together) if average is quicker than -1.000 under the HP will be adjusted for all vehicles that run that particular engine regardless of body or transmission type. If less than -1.000 under the next phase starts.....

2...NHRA will look at ALL cars that use that engine in a particular class and if the average is quicker than -1.000 under the HP will be adjusted for all vehicles that run that particular engine with that specific transmission type.

If there is one car that runs the combo in, say A/S and that car only made 2 runs the entire review segment and both those runs are faster than -1.150 under, than ALL of the cars that run a similar body style (platform), with a STICK TRANS will get a HP revision of +1.25%.
The AUTO TRANS cars will NOT be hit.

In other words an AA/SA car can trigger the review, but after the review is completed the only cars with that combo to be hit will be the standard shift cars and the opposite also holds true that a stick car can trigger the review but only the automatic cars will be hit based on the CLASS (sticks or autos) average.

Hope this helps???????

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 153042)

So ,what I've garnered so far is somebody at NHRA changed the rules in the middle of the game and no one knows who, when and why and doesn't want to do a damn thing about it .
Nice.

Mark,

Now you get it!!!!!

Get over it.......the new NHRA motto

Bob

What about the iron head 396?