FORD, 5 NEW S/SS Engines
 

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Is the 352/428 considered "crate" motors, or are they available in a new mustangs?

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All engines will be available in the new Mustangs

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Ken is the 352/428 a FE design.

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Tony, its not a FE. Its a 351 Windsor, stroked and bored to a 428. The 352 is the same as the 351, with a slight overbore. They will have the same type intake and fuel injection as the Chrysler setup.

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Thanks Ken I did not think the old FE was going to make a return,

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Just a question.
Are factory engines that haven't been certified for 2010 EPA or CAFE standards, now allowed in Stock Eliminator?

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I would think so. The Chrysler Drag Pack engines have no EPA cert so I would assume the Ford's have no cert. Let's all here it from the guys that thought roller rockers in Stock would ruin the sport!

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hahaha lol x2

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That was a good one!

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The "Decade" of the Fords!
Nail in the coffin...they need a new name for this!

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thats funny hahahaha

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NHRA version of Crate Motor Stock! :p ;)

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But MUCH MORE expensive !

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Correction Kenny,
Not a 351 based motor.

Over bored 347 based on a 8.2 deck and will utilize the new Boss 302 block.
Should be very tasty. ;)

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Ken how can a windsor push rod motor be available in a new mustang? Isnt
the 3 valve motor been the motor in mustang for a year or two now?

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Alex, that's not what I was told, but hey it does not matter, It should be a nice combo.

Dale, I think you have been out of racing to long. It does not matter if the engine is available for the public roads. Ford is building them just like the 2008 CJ's. They have been approved, so whatever our opinions are, its not relevant. For better or for worse, stock is changing.

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It's changen all right in a bad way!!!!!!!

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This thread is a Hoax?.... tell me you guys are joking!

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as far as a windsor motor in the new mustangs for stock, if anybody thinks its wrong since ford has not offered a windsor in a mustang since 95, then why is the new drag pac challenger being offered to racers with a 360? if i'm not mistaken dodge has not had a challenger for sale with a la motor since the nixon era. if nhra says we can run that combo, i say let them run. i never heard anybody complaining about them opening up the ss/gt classes to all legal bodies and motors. please correct me if i'm wrong, i have been known to be wrong a time or two. i remember not that long ago when almost everybody was whining about f.i. cars in with carb. cars. now all cars are back to original classes and everybody is playing nice. and how about the ls camaro and t/a cars that were not classified correctly, now thats just a thing of the past. i can go on and on and on, but if we just all learn to play nice and fight the real battles ie... payouts, treated as lower class citizens by the ...., etc, etc, etc. hey guys and girls, i'm all for running factory mass produced cars as all of you are, but if we didn't have a small runn of specialty cars ( hemi darts and cudas, t-bolts, copo camaros) then we might not have alot of fast class cars that most of us can only dream of owning. rick.

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Yes Ken been out of racing fora while now, but I guess what I wanted to know was will ford build any of this or will it be a MPR or back-yard built? Next question were in stock will they race, how many AAAA'S can NHRA add.

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The obvious question now is, Why just not allow all fuel injected crate motors?

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GTX John, Its not a hoax, it was announced at the PRI show.

Dale, Ford is building these cars, but does it really matter who builds them.? NHRA has approved them.

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Engine specs. Proking heads for pushrod motors CNCed of course.2 sheetmetal intakes with part# written in magic marker.3 Jesel rockers.4 Jesel belt.5 titanium retainers.6 1.55 PAC springs.7 ultra light pistons half inch deep notches, .065 top ring hieght, .028 top and second ring 3mm oil ring.8 .700 solid roller cam .904 lifters.9 pendulum under cut superlite crank and titanium rods.10 vacuum pump.full lenth kickout oil pan and modified K member.11 1000 cfm throttle body.12 and of course clutchless 5 speed for all! and you thougth roller rockers in stock was an abomination. Looks like stock, superstock as we knew it is dead. Wait till these guys stop buying bigger rigs and invest in their cars instead. Lots of nice old muscle back on the street !

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And a lot of you guys cursed me for coming up with the crate motor IHRA classes......Gezzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Its great that the auto manufacturers are becoming involved in this bad economy but these specs are a little over the top (my opinion) unless they are S/S only. At the very least the HP ratings should be more "correct" and if the combo dosent meet the 7.5 lb wt factor with a resonable HP rating they should go right into S/S. The rule of limited production cars being automaticly a S/S car and stockers being showroom avaliable to anyone seems to have been thrown out the window long ago. The new Fords along with the Dodges with the 360 combo will be interesting no doubt in the lower classes. I guess we cant stop progress.

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You can always put the engine in a 1963-64 Galaxie and run SS/GT or IHRA A/CM (a 6.00 lb class). The big Fords weigh around 4000 pounds.......LOL.
P.S. You have to use the old T-10 Trans when over 4000 lbs class wt. with 14X32 tires.

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Good, bad, ugly, however you want to look at it, I give FORD props for getting involved in stock/superstock like they are. Maybe this will encourage other makers to get involved as well and, hopefully, let our sport continue to grow.

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Other makers??? Like who, the imports??? GM and Mopar are in bad shape financially.

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The good thing is, now NHRA will raise the trigger for HP to a more realistic level.
That way ,these new combos will be able to dominate the qualifying sheet. (So they think.)

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The 352 is based on the 302 and the 428 is based on the 351.

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Will the new F4 Procharger move it up one class? :)

What are the 5.4 and 3 valve 4.6's? There are already legal versions.

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Yes they are and Ford isnt.......I do not think they had any problem selling the first series of cobra jets, maybe that is a good gameplan. Im building a chevy, but Ford appears to be making some better decisions becsause they are not in the same financial trouble.

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Im a Mopar guy and unfortunatley I agree, Ford is doing good things in respect to the Drag Racing Stock and Superstock arena, Dodge dropped the ball in a couple of ways on the DP program, first axing the guys who made it happen, then diddling around for over 14 months in between, the HAD a perfect opportunity to be fielding the cars way earlier but.....dropped.....Its hard to think about the performance market and racing when youre drowning.

What Im also dissapointed at is that a Major Tuner, hasnt approached Chevy about basically prototyping and building them for them.

I would LOVE to see a 3 manufacturer field this year with the new stuff.....

I guess Ill have to be happy with Ford and Dodge.....

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For what it's worth, at the PRI show, one of the guys at the Mopar booth said they are at least considering the feasibility of providing a more complete version of the next Challenger Drag Pack car and that they are putting more empasis on the Sportsman categories rather than the Pro's. Considering they were on the brink of going under, I think Mopar is putting a pretty good effort into it.

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This isn't stock. it's factory crate motor cars. Why not just add the IHRA crate motor classes and let us all run these motors in our old cars? Of course as one of my good friends says, crate motor cars are just bracket cars with an index.

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And todays stockers are SUPER STOCKERS with a cam and tire limit. So whats your point?

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And an intake limit,and a rotating assembly weight limit, and a valve spring diameter limit, and an oil pan limit and a bunch of other things that are different in stock and super stock. Over the years the rules have evolved to what they are. Some people like the evolution and some don't. These crate motors are a whole new deal in NHRA. Allowing these cars with these crate motors in our eliminator is obscene. This favors a small minority of racers and says to hell with all you guys that have worked your asses off over the years on combos that are going to be obselete. This is all about money and who's paying NHRA.

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Stock and superstock evolved from factory involvement. Why should anyone criticize that involvement now? It may breathe some life into an otherwise dying breed.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion on what Stock and Super Stock should or should not be, however, I'd hardly say the new cars will make the old ones obsolete. In the big picture there are very few Challengers and CJs, nowhere near enough to "ruin" an entire eliminator. Just ask John Shaul about winning with his "obsolete" 1964 Plymouth.

Evan

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What did the new Stangs run at Palm Beach yesterday? Looked to be about 3 or 4 or them there.