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Thanks , I can hardly wait.
Is the HP. number listed factory HP. or NHRA factored HP.

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unless the rules are changed for Ford, Chevy had to BUILD cars with the optional motors not just swear they were available.... Remember the VETTES and HOODS and 454 hi hp motors?

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Maybe this is the reason for the push for lower indexes.
It will buy some time for these combos before they can be placed where they belong.

Is there enough demand in the country, right now, for Ford to sell enough of these cars to make them eligible for stock.?

Can you actually buy these cars for the street or are they limited production, "race only" component vehicles? AKA fake stockers?

I guess the rules will be rewritten again?

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the HP factors are a complete and total JOKE. 375 hp for a 428 SBF, yea right. with a 2bbl and truck heads maybe.

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Larry, those are the NHRA HP rating's

Ed, CJ's will be built with all engine combo's

Jim, from what I have been told, all 50 have been sold. Also, there have been a large number of body in white and their respective kits purchased.

No they are not street legal, the rules book does not state that they have to be street legal, just available to purchase.

Here is the rule from NHRA.

"OEM may apply for inclusion of any special production run into the Official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Special run must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent."

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Just curious what factory ford car does the 352 and 428 come in?

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A 66 Police interceptor.

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lol.

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These hp ratings are a joke. Do these guys just get to do whatever they want? And you think lobbyist have politicians in their pocket.

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Kenny:

Your charts show 10 different combos, that means 50 cars per kit car combo must be sold, that's 500 cars. Or am I missing something here?
Have a good holiday.
JC

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Jim Carter,
It's stated as "50 units of an already accepted body style"
It's now the body, not the drivetrain. Like it or not, NHRA now has a crate motor class. I wonder if it will stop here? I doubt it. I assume we will have something like IHRA's crate motor class, even if a motor is an electrical device and an engine is what we run in our race cars. :rolleyes:

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What are these engines...complete and direct from the Ford-dealer?..with the car or do you build them? all ford parts or Edelbrock top ends? Roller or hyd cams? inj. or carbs ? valve sizes etc...

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All you guys forget about when the LT1 came out it was rated at 275hp now it rated at 346hp a 71hp increase talk about soft when it came out. What about the LS1 how many hp has it got in the last ten years.
And what about all the soft olds and buicks from the 80's when GM was in charge of hp just about. Now it's fords turn so shut up and race, every dog has it day. If combos are not soft when they first come out no one will build them. This is not something new it has been going on for 40 plus years. So if you don't like it stop racing, deal with it and work on you ***** or build a ford if it's so easy. How many of you people crying race more then 4 NHRA races a year anyway? I know Greg hill races more then four but Greg is always complaining about something (Ha Ha) Merry Christmas buddy see you in Jan.

Chuck D good luck to all my I/SA,J/SA& K/SA competitors next year you will need it. If it's not heads up then it's not cool.:D

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for the last time, GM sold 100,000's of Fbodys with those engines at those HP ratings. they were not sandbagged for a benefit in NHRA. It just so happens that people were really unlocking the potential of the EFI motors at the same time. NHRA saw they had a problem on their hands and created the FI classes, let them sort themselves out and then integrated them back into the classes they need to be in.

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Jeff:
Does this mean I can put an L-88 in my Chevelle? I think GM sold at least 50 Chevelles in any given year. What's good for the goose...

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I have to assume it's coming....:(

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I wonder if these new engines can be run in SS GT?

the 352/285 looks like a good combo

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That's an understatement!

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Let's get this straight if you have a 2008 CJ it's rated at 439hp and is a AA/Stock only ,but the NEW AND IMPROVED 2010 CJ is rated at 435hp and can fit in A and AA, so if your a CJ racer you better call your 2008 a 2010 and get 4hp off, MERRY CHRISTMAS from ford and NHRA!!!! OH AND HAPPY 2010.

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Too many body differences for that to happen.

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Chad how did FI classes fix anything? The LT1 was at 325 hp when FI classes were created and 336 when it was dropped. 11hp of the total 71hp given came from when FI cars had there own classes. Again how did FI classes fix anything? Don't give me that crap. What about the newer GTO being rated at 340 when the same motor is rated 373 in a camaro or firebrid. Get over it. Almost every combo is soft when it comes out. It's simple work on you ***** and spend more money. And if you can't hang with the big boys in A,B&C just do what I do run a lower class car and be fast. Now quit crying.

Trying to make a 2008 mustang a 2010 is like making a 1967 camaro a 1969 you really can't do it very easy.

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Charlie you're awfully young to be getting alzheimer's. You must have forgotten why the fuel injected classes were created. There was one simple reason. NHRA refused to factor those motors fairly and everybody bitched about it. My whole point about the new cars is that the factories are getting away with doing crate motors and putting whatever factor they want on them. Why is this? Do you think it has anything to do with money? Do you honestly think this is good for stock and super stock? Wait till one of those Mustangs shows up in K or L with that bogus 4.6l motor rated at 235hp. and you'll be the one crying, just like I'll be crying if one of them with the bogus 352 shows up in E and I have to race him 300lbs. heavier.

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i haven't cried at all, maybe you can't see through your own tears

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How are the new mustangs any different then the 1968 race only cuda's and darts? They have made 50 plus race only cobra jets with a 5.4 motor that ford makes. You can buy these cars with these motors from the factory. These are show room cars that anyone can buy. What is the problem?

All FI classes did was slow down FI cars from getting HP. That why NHRA put FI cars back in with carbs because it did not work. Now that FI cars are back in with carb cars we are starting to see hp going up on FI cars. There were to many classes with FI so cars had classes to hide in. Example the L-98 camaro and firebird fit in D/FIA. At that time there were not very many cars in that class therefore that combo never get hp because they never had to show there hand. Now that they are in with carb cars they haft to run fast to win class therefore get hp like in the last review from NHRA.

Back to the main point how are CJ's hurting or sport? In time these cars will level out with older cars and there will be no gain in having one. I recall a few years back LS1 cars ruled A,B and C now not so much. Time level everything no combo stays on top for two long.

Chad why would I have tears? I'am not crying

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the race only Cudas and darts were SS only, end of discussion. and quit bitching about the LT/LS cars. They were showroom available with that HP rating, the closest relative to the CJ is currently rated at 540hp, 101hp more than their current NHRA rating. its apples and oranges, but i guess its all fruit to you huh?

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Really??? The 1998 Firebird and Camaro's came with LT-1's??? I understand the hangup on these Mustangs. What you have to understand is that it's about selling cars. It's today's technology with old school factoring.

And yes, I think they should all have an FX class, but the crying on here is like a bunch of chicks fighting over the Varsity quarterback!
Enough already!

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You cannot call a 2008 a 2010 not the same body as I understand it!

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My son Andrew is a hockey player. Today at Lunch he said something that really made me think. He told me he wouldn't feel right winning class or winning a heads up run in one of these mustangs. His analogy was like him, who is 17 playing hockey against 12 year olds. It's not fair and in the end it's not challenging. It made me think he's a pretty good kid.

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Ok Gerg next time you run someone heads up and you are three tenths faster, are you are going to pack up and go home because it would not be a far race? I think not. How are the two any different? You say it's not fair well NHRA racing and life are alot alike there both not fair all the time. In life we learn to deal with things that are unfair that is what makes us better. It not fair my dad let me race a slow 1983 malibu wgn while other young racers dads built them new race cars but I delt with it and I'am better for it now(I was just glad to drive anything). Andrew racing will never be fair there will always be someone faster car or a bigger pocket book. All we can do is play by the rules NHRA sets for us end of storie. If you don't like the sand get out of the sand box.

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Charlie the difference is that my combination is rated fairly, in fact I think it's a pretty tough combination to make run fast. The ratings on the new Ford crate motors along with the Chrysler crate motors are bogus as hell. I would like to run a GM Fast burn motor in my car at 275 hp. but I can't. The factories are doing exactly that and NHRA is letting them.

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Greg you are right about your combo being far. But who is really the problem NHRA for trying to get new cars in stock or superstock or Ford and Chrysler for trying to sell cars and parts? If the combos are not soft who would build one?

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Charlie,so what you're saying is that it's okay for Ford, Chrysler and NHRA to collude to get underated combinations into stock to the detriment of people who have been racing for 20 or 30 years. That's kind of like saying it's okay for them to steal from us. This is all bull**** and anybody with half a brain knows this. I guess I'll forgive you though since I heard you were getting a new Mustang.

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Greg at I ‘am say is if you look back over the past 25 years in Stock and Superstock these combo are not any softer then past cars when they came out. Examples LT1, LS1, L-98, 1960’s cobra jets, dodge pick trucks & almost every combo Al Provost ran. If some of these combos are not soft who would build one? And if everyone had a 1969 camaro 255/350 in STK and SS the class would suck. It is stuff like this that makes our class so cool. You guys really don't how many people now know about Stk and Superstock now just because of these cobra jets. In the past nine weeks I have talked with over twenty people that had no clue what STK and SS was and now wants to go see what it's all about and maybe someday build a car. In the big picture these car are doing more good than bad. The problem is change is going to happen wheatear you like it or not and some people just don’t like change. If Stk and SS don’t change(Just a little) with the times we will end up just like modified eliminator, GONE.

If the hp system was ran correctly this would not be that big of an issue. We all know that.

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Sean, you are right, to the manufacturer it is about selling cars, which is why NHRA let GM racers run the LT-1 in the '98 F-bodies when these cars were never built. In my book this was the first "crate engine" stocker. Why was this not Super Stock only?



Evan

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The truth is that this is what happens when the Big Three decide to get back into Stock/SS! The last time around they did everything they could with what they had in their parts bins to. Why should it be any different this time around? Why do you think they built Hemi cars, COPO cars, and Cobra Jet Mustangs in the late sixties? They sure weren't aimed at socker mums!

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Thak you so very very much at least there is one other guy on here who gets it :)

What I think is funny is there are guys running those cars and combos who are upset their 40 year old relics just got outdated by something that should have happened over 20 years ago. its the year 2009 for crying out loud...

Thanks GUMP, seriously thanks

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Just so you know, even the owner's manual in my 98 Firebird (V6 powered) shows a 5.7L 350 cid V8.

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There were over 1200 COPO L-72 Camaros built, 69 ZL-1 Camaros, plenty of L-88 Corvettes, around 500 or so L-72 69 Chevelles, and the list goes on. All real street legal cars sold at the dealership. Not only that, only the ZL-1 Camaro had a really high price tag.

If these cross breed crate motor combinations are legal, then why isn't a 67 Corvette L-88 legal? After all, they built and sold 36 of them. Who knows how many were given away.

If the Roush cars are legal, why aren't all the Yenko cars, or all of the Baldwin/Motion cars?

It's suddenly all fine and dandy to put just about anything in Stock Eliminator, regardless of whether or not it was even remotely intended for street use, or even produced at the factory. There used to be a rule about "export cars", "tuner cars" and all of that. Rules intended specifically to keep ringers with bogus factors out of Stock. But now it is evidently okay to put anything in Stock, regardless of it ever being actually produced or available in the showroom at all. And you can evidently name your own factor as well.

The idea that all of this is absolutely no different than 98 F bodies with 97 LT-1 engines is the biggest bunch of BS I've seen. In fact, evidently the 97 and 98 carry the same HP factor and the same curb weight. So, in effect, they're only different in appearance. But somehow they are as outrageously bogus as a car that has 650HP at the rear wheels in stock form being factored at 425 HP. Yeah, right. :rolleyes: