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Her i go again had some jim now that we are running as fast as super gas we should be allowed to put a legal racing seat in our stockers now if you dont like the idea don't comment if you run slower than 10.90 i value my nuts more than u do.

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your nuts? DWA

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It makes perfect sense to me, and then some.....especially if the weight is compensated

Even "Accepted" seats with friggin covers to maintain somewhat stock appearance if thats the concern about keeping appearances, Im sure the seat makers, and year one, etc would be happy to offer vinyl for them :)

I would Think its a saftey issue that could be addressed. Hey, maybe theres a market for "Bench Racing Seats".....lol....a small market but a market nonetheless.......

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Mickey,lay off the jim.

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It should be a matter of safety first.

I have a set of front seats out of a 2004/05 Dodge stratus so that
I have adjustable headrest (shoulder harness goes through opening)
but it also has lumbar adj and tilts a little. and yes my car is a bracket
car not a stocker.

But again it should be a matter of safety, that's like saying it's safe
for a 1966 Chevy 283 stocker to just have a lap belt.

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we want to change the seats,the rockers,the lifters,the intake manifold,what the hell add a set of big tires and kill off stock and you will be in super stock before you know it !

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I ran 10.83 at G weight in testing, can I comment? Merry Christmas Mickey :)

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Just build a Super Stocker.....your 99% there already !

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Comparing changing out the seat to changing engine parts is apples and oranges.
Does a seat impact performance? No
Does a seat change the weight of the vehicle? No (Minimum weight is the same)
It is a 100% safety issue and I am in favor of that kind of rule change.

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I think its real funny all the new safety stuff NHRA requires, however their own rule book prevents us from making the car safer by installing a race seat. NHRA should really consider what will happen if someone wrecks and injures themselves due to a stock seat failing. It will be their fault. The seats in new cars are designed to fail under a certain impact to prevent whiplash ( the back gives way), and 40 year old seats are questionable (afterall we have to replace the belts every two years). They are open to a lawsuit if anyone get seriously hurt with a stock seat in the car, because they were not allowed to change it.

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Buy a new Challenger and get the racing seats for free.

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Go ahead, have your racing seats in stock, i dont care. Just as long as they don't make it mandatory like they did with the firepants and firejackets. Glad they MAKE us wear all that safety first bull**** with all the FIRES and EXPLOSIONS we see in stock eliminator.

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Installing racing seats in a Stock Eliminator car is nuts IMO. Stock eliminator is suppose to be a car close to what it was when it left the dealership when delivered new. Many fans who come to watch us race can relate to stockers because they are the factory hot rods.

If you want race seats, then build a Super Stocker. I spent a lot of $$ installing the correct original parchment deluxe interior in my new '67 Z28 stocker. The car has been 10.50's at almost 125 mph. Very competitive in D/Stock. I have no safety issues or any issues with stock factory seats. I also have the factory back seat installed too, which I know I do have to do.......but it looks like a brand new factory built car.......and adds a lot to the appearance. The car is very competitive and that's what counts.

I had racing seats in my old bracket Super Pro Chevelle 30 years ago. They are very uncomfortable and ugly. That's how I feel about this issue.

Jerry

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I understand the appearance issue, but also remember that the CJ's are almost a second quicker and 15 mph faster. I'm going to defer any further comment to someone with personal experience with a stock seat...............Paging Woodro

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I think that a cage would have been a plus in that situation! After I saw the photos I was glad that I cut out my carbon roll bar and installed a CM cage in my Formula.

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My car has BEEN on fire. I have no problem with firepants/jackets! A bolt backed out of the back bowl of the carb going down the track, and fuel got on the headers. Bizarre and unlikely? Yep. But it still happened. Billy should be allowed to race with shorts, a tank-top, and no helmet, because accidents never happen in Stock eliminator.

I also don't mind carrying a fire extinguisher in the car. I was walking the pits in San Antonio when a guy tinkering with his Top Sportsman car had it backfire... he had the plugs out of it, and flame shot right past me, and caught the dry grass on fire. Took longer than it should have to find a fire extinguisher.

Don't really have an opinion on the seats, although I have gone 10.90, so I guess I'm allowed to have one. I think it would be reasonable to allow them in AA cars. I don't see the need for them in 10.-slower cars. I wouldn't worry about the fold-back "feature" of new-car seats, as there is a roll bar there, unless I'm misunderstanding *how* it gives way. Not sure I understand what exactly would fail on a 40-yr old seat, though, either?

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the new seats will fail laterally as well as front to back. A 40 year old seat is just that, 40 year old metal. Most of us take good care of our stuff, some don't. but i would doubt that most can vouch for the history of their car back to 1960 something. the seats could have been involved in an accident previously and could be one small impact away from complete failure.

the SCCA even in their most restricted, slow speed autocrosses allow race seats. these are classes required to have the stock airbox in place. the SCCA truly has safety first with this rule. I just don't think NHRA should have a rule that prevents you from making a car safer (within reason).

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If the CJ's are going that fast, then the question is are they really Stock Eliminator cars? 9.60's at 140 mph. More like a Super Stock car IMO.

This is yet another issue that takes the factory appearing built race cars away from the world of Stock Eliminator. Racing fans like Stock because they can relate to the cars. Installing these seats would make a Stocker look like the typical bracket car at the local race track.

Jerry

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no it wouldn't, the average bracket car has no carpet, sheetmetal dash, doorpanels, lexan windows with aluminum braces, etc. Superstockers don't look like bracket cars either, class cars are kept to a much higher standard than most bracket cars. If race seats make a stocker look like a bracket car i guess we should take the wheelie bars, roll cages and 7lb front wheels off too.

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all im asking is for NHRA to give us the option to have a seat or not, those that want their car to remain stock appearing keep the original seat, it not an advantage on the track i really don't know what the big deal is?

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Here's a novel idea! Since it seems to me that all of a sudden so many of you running fast Stockers are so worried about safety, why don't you just ask NHRA to take the fast Stockers (apparently the ones with the safety issues) and make them SUPER Stockers! Yeah,yeah, take the AA through D cars and make them run SS! That way you'll have to meet the safety regs. of all the other 9 and 10 second cars. Won't have to worry about any of those troublesome 4 and 5 second spots anymore either (low rent, dirtbag, slow stocker scum). Then you can also extend your cage through the firewall to make it safer, put bigger tires on it (we all know how unsafe it is running in the 9s on those skinny tires!), get rid of those flimsy, crappy rocker arms (break one of them and you could lose a motor and oil down those skinny tires), etc,etc,etc. We want all of you guys to feel safe! Seats don't affect the performance at all (except maybe letting you move around some weight which doesn't help performance). Yeah, riiight.
(All of this crap was written in the name of sarcasm) Yeah, riiight.

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Michael Beard, I was at NHRA points meet in Nobile, Ok., They made me take my fire extinguisher out my car. they said it was illegal ballast, it was in the car when i purchased it. Tom

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I guess all you FAST guys are figuring on wrecking in the near future.I 'm so happy my legs are now protected from under the dash fires,maybe my toes are jealous and want fire shoes,....wait a second ..my hands won't type, ....they want gloves! I want to race to the 330 ..1/8 mile is to dangerous......and on and on...Am I permited this comment?

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It is an advantage as far as ballast is concerned. You can save 20lbs or more with aftermarket seats.

I would hate to see seats allowed. I would vote against this.

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Billy,

Make that AA through C, my car looks like a factory built car in Stock Eliminator.

Jerry

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NHRA also made me remove my fire extinguisher out of my super gas car about 6 years ago. They said the safety safari will put you out I asked about driving to the lanes needless to say I left it in but most brackets for them are not design for impact so you need some thing better to keep them in place if that should happen. OK stock seats the rule book says stock appearing you do alot with these rules depending on your tech guys can you build new frames for seats that are covered? My seats in my stocker look stock have never been questioned about them. Here is the saftey consern if you walk through the lanes I would say alot I meen alot of the cars are illegal if you read the rule book under roll bar the driver helmet must be 3 inches below the roll bar how many cars meet this. So start copping down your seat brackets to lower your seats change your foam to lower your self in the seats. The rule book says stock appearing.

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Last year or the year before there was new racer in Division 1 with an A/SA Nova. He had aftermarket seats in this car. They were covered with black upholstery and they still stuck out like a sore thumb. Stock appearing isn't going to fly with aftermarket seats.
The funny thing is, this driver raced several times with these seats and NHRA never noticed.

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Billy,
I think NHRA should allow Micky to protect his azz, now the nuts are a different story, he probably needs to be fixed. JK mick

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Fix the seat the way I did it in my bracket Camaro(stock seats). Mark the seat where you're comfortable with the belt in relation to the jewels, put a slit in the seat that the belt will fit through and either find a plastic sleave off of another stock belt or have an upholstery shop finish it to look good.

I won't comment as to whether Mickey needs to be "fixed" but being older an (hopefully) slightly wiser, I'd be a very wealthy man if I had been "fixed" when I was about 15!

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That Nova ran Div. 1 in 2008. If you want racing seats run Super Stock.

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Have been many 10.40s and a few 10.30s in A.SA with bench seat. If harness is installed correctly / fitted and the driver actually tightly cinches himself in place it will keep you safe. Seat back should be bolted to roll bar and if not a high back seat, a properly placed and installed support for head and neck.

No seats specifically designed for drag or road racing in stock eliminator.

Build a late model car or move to super stock.

My 90 Camaro has high back seats with some lateral support.
But it does not go in the 10s and I am being chased most of the time. ;)

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No, No, No, that is my vote. Just another way to lighten a car up, and if your stuff is built right , you will be safe. Check your belts, make sure the back of your seat is supported by the cage, etc. It is your responsibility to check this stuff and protect yourself.

And if this were to go thru, and Billy applied all these wt saving enhancements, hell he would have that nova 4 dr in A/SA with the 307

Sorry Billy, I couldn't help myself

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I like your idea.....Take the AA stockers on down to about "D" or "F" stock and run them in S/S. Make stock wt breaks start around 10 lbs per. Yeah....you got it right this time Billy.

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Just move the car to a lower class until you feel safe. We've had enough enhancements.

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just for everyone's info a 1966 283 chevy wagon without a roll bar would be perfectly fine and legal with a 1966 installed lap belt.

danny byrd's chevy II was bounced at indy two years ago because he did not have a folding seat (2 door style) but had a lighter solid seat (4 door wagon style)...

just another attempt to move weight from front to back by the fast guys...

and by the way i race stock eliminator, pay my dues, why should i not be allowed an opinion on this or any other rules issues... damn fast guys want all rules amended to thier liking and screw us we dont even get an opinion anymore... billy nees is right 90% of rule changes have not helped us...only the fast guys.

jack mccarthy

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Jack & Billy,
I don't have a problem with the seat rule as they are. I was just giving Micky a hard time. We have a faster car but we add wt. to the front of car to controll wheel stands. I am one of you guy's I have another car that you will have to spot if I ever get it to run the index

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I definitely do not care for aftermarket racing seats in Super Stock, in Stock Eliminator it would be even more of a joke. They do not belong-PERIOD! :(

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not saying slow cars could not reply i was told only cars that go 10.90 or faster this would be an option for I guess because of super street index?

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Racing seats allowed for 2010 found the link it's at WWW.behinddznutzLmoa.com should be real useful.

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MW,
I agree with ya on all safety issues including seats. I think the slow guys should pay attention also. Especially with all the brake jobs at the stripe..
Chip