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talked me out of building a stock eliminator car.
kinda makes me wonder why i'd want to after all the bickering....
****e, if i was building a bracket car, i'd be done by now;)

i stare at the rambler and think why bother?
throw a 401 in it and run the stickshift deal we've got out here.....

geezz.....

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Don't get too discouraged! You and your car can be much happier at the track together.

Most of the real negative vibes can be reduced to about 3% of the actual posters. Of course, I don't count the nameless (imposters).

This can be a really great forum, but as with free speech, you have to take the good with the bad.

I bet you can get a Bogosity filter for your iphone to help out! LOL.

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Dont let em do that.....Im getting to the short strokes, start after cage and connectors in on Nov 23rd.......Nuther 2 weeks and Im good.....

Itd be harder if it was an older car, I would think, having restored a "few" but if you factor out "resto time" I dont see why its harder than a bracket car, I see it as easier....only 1 sanction body to worry about, rules are very clear, limits your "options" in a lot of areas that take a while for me to usually decide on, and the bickering here is entertainment, Ive heard tell I cant do it and dont know Jack....I need that, it motivates me and I feed on it, in the end none of it will matter make your own decisions and keep your own council, but listen to the advice even if you dont buy into all of it, always ask yourself what is someones motivation for a suggestion ? Is it to prove their knowledge, is it to see you succeed, is it to have you believe only they can do it and hence elevate themselves ? Is it to push you to a vendor who may be their friend ? Is it to guide you away from a mistake they have made and know the outcome of thus saving someone else the pain they felt, and on....60% of the time people motivations are pure, another 10 they are but theyre not your benefit, and the other 30....well those are the ones you need to learn to ignore.....people never do things without profit, profit of some sort, in some cases and good for everyone a persons concept of profit is altruistic in nature and their payment is the reward of helping others.....

Then again we may be an utter failure when it comes time to track the car, but itll be EPIC one way or another, a success of epic proportions, or a failure of epic scale, one way or another it will be epic......we dont do things half way around here....its all or nothing...lol

Just mix the coffee, 1 cup of grounds to 1 cup of water, it helps reduce the need for sleep, thus bringing the schedule back to corrected :)

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What kind of stocker are you building? A Rambler by chance? Now THAT would be different! There is a SS/J 343 Rambler in Sweden of all places. Saw a pic of it in the summer taken at a SS/S race in Sweden. Go for it!!!

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I know how you feel...I've been working on my stocker for over 7 years now, and check this site almost every day...there are a lot of bitter people out there that do most of the talking!! That being said, I have learned probably 50% of what I know about class racing from the guys on this site...And when my car's done, I'll know who NOT to pit next to!

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me?!?!?!


anyway, i ain't giving up yet...

i'm a stubborn bastid, ask my wife....oh, what do she know, she's a full blooded german..

btw, we both grew up in hastings....

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yep, 67 american 440 290/4speed natural l/s with a 4bbl 290 but i've got a 2bbl 290 for

natural O/S

funny how some of these guys will go to a lot of trouble to avoid a heads-up race.
i'm gonna be looking for one;)
that's the whole reason to do it, to have a chance at a heads-up race,otherwise it's bracket racing...

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i know how you feel, but in my first year with the 70 amc 390 combo i went 6 tenths under and didnt have a ton of money tied up ,,went a few rounds and it was reliable ,,like mentioned by reading some of the post's ist hard not to wonder why we do it, but this is the grass roots of it all ,yes rules change,people change ,times change , but the basis is still the same stockbodied cars with the size engines that they came with,the challenge is to make them run as fast as you can with the means and money that you have to do so ,some with more money then resources and some with more resources than money
i had fun my first year in stock and you will to ,,,,,,gmonde
p.s. i can set you up with the 4bbl engine for you car

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[QUOTE=tomslik;159318]talked me out of building a stock eliminator car.
kinda makes me wonder why i'd want to after all the bickering....
****e, if i was building a bracket car, i'd be done by now;)

i stare at the rambler and think why bother?

The answer to that question is personal satisfaction! If you feel that you really want to test yourself then just build it. Don't listen to us. Racers will never agree on anything! That's why the NHRA can treat us the way that they do!

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i'm pretty good on 4 bbl 290 stuff EXCEPT i'm wanting a 4bbl 290 piston to send in to a mfgr and get some approved by nhra.....
i still think ya oughta buy that american;)

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i am still tossing the idea around ,,it would be a cool combo gmonde

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Started my car 3 years ago from scratch. I am just now getting it to be a 6 or 7 tenths under car in IHRA and " now " a 3 or 4 under NHRA. I still ain't giving up yet. I have had some help on here and some no help on here. Just trying things as i can afford them . I remember not even hitting the index at first. Still proud of what i have acomplished in 3 years. Don't give up and don't let some of the the " B S " on here lead you in the wrong direction . Good Luck.

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The 290 / 210 HP AMC is a GREAT combo to build. It's killing 'em in the SS/MA class!
What may be lost on some is the fact NHRA class racing NEVER used to be easy with guys working their *** off for years to RUN THE INDEX, much less under or setting a record. And NHRA had their issues back then just as today. But then there wasn't the internet for instant gossip or bitchin'; you had to go to the track to be a part of that. An outsider never would have heard all of this garbage, now anybody can listen in.
The perseverance to make it happen is what separates the men from the boys. I started in D/S with my AMX and was in the same class and races frequented by a Rob Youngblood with his '71 Boss 351 which was capable of sub 10.50's against my 11.50's or so. I did move to E/S and eventually held the record. With Rob in my sights I moved back to D/S eventually going 10.50's, close enough for a good race against Rob. Unfortunately he had moved to SS/J by then. But the point is quitters quit and those that want to succeed, do. Now I've moved to SS as well. And I won't be happy until I have the fastest in my class.
Like I said, that 290 with the superseded heads is worth the effort. It's up to you to prove it.

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That combo is on the official Billy Nees Killer Combo list.

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I agree with what Jeff said. Quiters quit and people that want to succeed do. I'm also in the process of getting some pieces together to put our car back in the stock eliminator ranks. The bottom line is there is alot of knowledge here you just have to read between the lines to figure it out sometimes. I've also come to relize that the reason people bitch is because its easier than working on their **** to make it faster. So keep doing what you are doing because its what you want to do. Everybody has to have goals. Mine is winning class at Indy! What's yours?

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That's not what I meant... I was talking about certain people on this site that are always "Glass half empty".
And I agree 100% about hoping for some heads-up. I look forward to getting my share of ***-whoopins from the likes of the Schaechters, Parsons, Hladky, current F stick record holder Strang, etc. Maybe after I've been at it for some years, I'll be able to return a few.
It gets me to thinking about all the doomsday talk that goes on here...I realize the situation in NHRA and IHRA isn't perfect, but I think that even if they dump S/SS there are enough of us out here that enjoy the rules we are subject to that this type of racing will survive. Not everyone wants an expanded-metal grille and a 'glass tilt front end.

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Man, been off the net for about 4 months, this is depressing. It is easy to get discouraged with this stuff. At least you're getting some progress on your stocker! I haven't had time to even START mine. Now, with all the talk of IHRA, maybe being in trouble (listening to the rumblings on here) down the road. My crate motor car may be an albatross before I even get it built?

Thing is, for me anyways, with these kinds of cars, you will naturally have your own expectations. If, you have experience of any kind with race cars. Track time will be reality crashing down on you. That's when you get a real idea of how much work you "still" have left to do.

Jeff Lee said it best, back in the old days (for me it was the early 70's), you didn't have all this internet stuff to wade thru. We read the magazines, sought out local people that could (read that as might) help, then we built our cars and went to the track. What to me has really changed is the exchange of information. It may not really stop many from making "the same old mistakes" but forums like this can give you pause to reflect on what you plan to attempt.

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NASH people, A friend in the 60s had a large sedan that had a 6 with 2 carbs and it was an automatic. Seemed pretty quick on the street. Any knowledge of this one?

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Please get the car finished and make a decision on your own. I have been racing a long time and the small percentage of that time I have been able to "class" race rather than "bracket" race has been so much more fun and rewarding. I really can't tell you why but it has been.

Good Luck,
Bill Lamb

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Dick,I think Nash used the Hudson straight 6 with two 2bbls.It was the famous Twin H
engine used by Hudson in the Hornets.They kicked *** in the early 50s,till the SBC
came along.

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There are at least three groups, it seems. One group thinks anybody that qualifies top half of the ladder is a rich, d**k swinging show off dirt bag that has no life because they like to work on their stuff and see how fast they can make it run. The clowns actually like heads-up races. What's wrong with them?? They think the only good people are running flat out on the bottom half of the qualifying ladder, between beers and watching ball games on TV.

Another group likes to run heads up, take pride in making their cars run the best they can, and run it flat out, qualify as high as they can, think the indexes are too soft because you can make a decent combo run under with not a whole lot of effort (if you know what your doing) and don't think it should be dumbed down so just anybody can take just any (wrong) car and be competetive.

Third group has fast cars, are good drivers, sand bag during qualifying to pick their spot on the ladder, and like to chase those points.

All good guys with different points of view. I have good friends in all three groups. Everybody seems to get along well at the track. I have heard no bickering at the track like you see here.

It's just the internet. Get that car finished.

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I have to admit, the guys that post on the Stock/Superstock area of the is forum can be a bit depressing....but it dawned on me that its because they love stock and superstock....at the track none of this occurs....I never really knew what they were talking about....until I started running a class car....now I see....And to see the look on the guys face that you race in class when you beat him....you start to understand why we do this....

I read the posts on this site to learn...(and to make sure that if its directed at me...its the truth)....But I don't have any interest in bracket racing at my local tracks.....I did it for years...now I want to race at divisionals and nationals....and certainly in class eliminations...

I wouldn't know what else I would do.....so finish the car

One more thing....the 2008 CJ is a horrible car...I don't think anybody should build one for

Super Stock.....lol

Rock Haas

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Rock who "CBS"??
Boo Boo

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Rock you hit the nail on the head.

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This is why racers would be incapable of running their own sanctioning body. The first time anyone mentions rules or money chaos would rein supreme.
Its just the way it is.