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Provide Big Carrot to get factors better or? How about Big points for class wins up to 4 per year and AHFS operate off those runs also?

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You don't have leave things as they are? Just an oversite I'm sure
I hear acorn is looking for some work.

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bhahahahahahaha

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Art, we can accept a vote for do nothing, which does nothing to improve the issues listed by many as upsetting. Besides there could be good arguements for getting back to rewarding the Racers(who started Class racing) as well as the dialers..who support bracket racing style..

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If doing nothing does no harm. And doing something does harm. I vote to do nothing.

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Ah Yes Do no Harm..... Sorry Art I am laughing.... Harm is in the eye of the beholder here.
Some like Dial in, Some look towards the better future of S and SS and some want to just be "able" to qualify #1 at will. Some see doing nothing DOING HARM.
At this time I feel there is a major tilt of benefits to Bracket style racing. That is a long way from giving credit to the "olde Guys" favorite of Heads up Class racing out the back door.
Maybe giving back the points for Records, the OLDE guys, could start getting pleasure out of going as fast as possible to win and it would help the AHFS too.
My original idea was make Class Wins extra points also with AHFS active there too.
Suddenly Most classes would shuffle the Fast bogus stuff by guys needing the points to try for the Championship to keep up with the "dial in guys" so eveyone is more active and agressive with a chance to win.
Obviously these are just thoughts looking for improvements Many could support as positive for the future and the fun.

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i could care less either way, it wont change anyway. i will quit in a few years and i am sure the hras will keep going. i just cant get interested in bracket, i am not good at it either. i am also not a hitter. i am not an embarrasment, but no hitter. i could get interested if any hra would do something affordable to bring back performance racing. but i know it will never happen. i thought ahra had a good chance to bring something new to the table with all the classes they have i thought 1 would be no-break-out, wrong!!!!!

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Dick you do know that points meets and national opens count towards the ahfs now right?
Your point about records is a bit muddled. Do you want the records once set, to be held forever? What do you to do when they go back to a minimum?
You seem to just want change, any change just change. That did not seem to work in November. Why do you want to screw up something when you don't race?
Leave it the way it is. It isn't perfect but we can deal with it. Everybody that is racing now has accepted it. Or they would not be racing. Go start another association and ban me from running it if you like. I'll stay with what I have.

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Art,,,, I accept your points. No I am no longer racing. Very important point. I merely asked the question as there are many who discuss Bye runs for class, Hp weaknesses on factoring and I had been thinking how to get the AHFS to act more quickly and even out the ratings more rapidly. The other piece of the discussion was getting more encouragement for the OLDE guy type racer who also competes still at points meets, and runs class. He may not have the best weather station or FI car to be as consistent but works hard and values the "fastest in class" idea. Maybe giving this piece of S and SS racing credit by awarding points would reward the two Major groups of S and SS racers.
No I do not wish to bar anyone with opposite thoughts, or create change where I do not compete, just thinking...positive discussion points...No I do not want to Screw up things when I do not currently race.
.Thanks

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Dick, I honestly don't know what it is you're trying to accomplish anymore! I have no problem with giving points for record setting BUT the AHFS or something has to be in effect to reel in out of control combos. Most of the guys out there setting records don't care about points anyway.
I have no problem whatsoever with giving classwinners points or cutting the number of classes BUT unless ALL of the classwinners are torn down you're creating more problems then you're trying to solve.
Cutting the number of classes to 16 is fine BUT again without tearing down ALL classwinners you are creating more problems than you're fixing. OBTW, IF NHRA tears them all down (and that's not going to happen) what do you do with the guys that get tossed? The punishment would have to be severe in that situation. Permanently surrender parts and a year off? It would have to be at least that.
Spec. motors? Who is creating the specs? That won't work! Not to mention it makes EVERYONES combo obsolete over night. The only reasonable Spec. deal would be to come up with a "Claimer" value for heads, intakes, carbs etc.
Or just leave it all alone!

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Dick, by the way, I won't vote on that poll.

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you forgot a tab on the Vote, Dick "None of the Above"

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I think that pole is tilted to serve an agenda..To get rid of slower classes and cars.AND
to try and penalize the dreaded "Pro Sportsman" types.After all not many of them come to set records and win class.

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The Poll has some kind of "Huge Spin " to it I won't vote on this poll LOL.

The present Stock and Super Stock rules and regulations are not broken , i repeat they are not broken The majority of Stock and Super Stock racers are Happy with the way it is now only the "very few" especially on this web site are unhappy for some reason or another, Just my Opinion of racing since 1963 Stock and Super stock :);):D

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I have to admit, there is an agenda to the poll.
1) create a better show for a crowd,
2) create a more radical HP adjustment mechanism to level the factoring where NHRA drags its feet for YEARS.
3) give some Point credit for the Fastest cars built by some people or tuned.
4) make it rewarding to win class with points so the Pro Sportsmen who come to win the event will be reminded that Beating another car of the same specs is part of Drag Racing also not just the Bracket Mentality of Eliminator.
5) make it worthwhile to be FAST and SHOW it towards points to be Champion of the year by setting records even at cost of HP.
6 ) possibly re attract sponsors or NHRA attention to Stk and SS using the NEW cars (currently underfactored) and the old cars(many currently maximally factored)

All I could think of at this time..... But Ed The changes do not angle at any slow cars or fast cars. Even if there were a massive combining of classes cars can be adapted to classes even if they had to put a 4 barrel on the motor or put the motor in a sedan instead of a 9 passenger wagon.
Dont take this as too serious. It is not to NHRA it is a discussion among racers and experienced previous racers..
Don Im Glad you are happy with the way it is today also...

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Dick, ya know, it always seems that you and I are on opposite sides of the fence.
1.There is no better (car) show on the face of the earth then the staging lanes at a National Event before the first round of S/SS. Either the crowd wants to see our type of cars or they don't. If you want to put on a better show for the crowd then might I suggest hitting the guardrail at 1000' and going end over end because THAT is what the average spectator wants to see. And I'm sorry to have to say that but it's true.
2. How do you expect to come up with a more "radical HP adjustment mechanism" by waiveing the AHFS during class eliminations.
3. I have absolutely no problem with rewarding a person for outperforming his peers BUT he HAS to be proven legal and I don't see NHRA taking the necessary measures.
4. I think you will find that the "Pro Sportsmen" that you are referring to usually have enough ammo to do well in a "Heads Up" situation.
5. Again I have no problem with that BUT if this "fast" racer isn't torn down and he wins the World Championship (which has happened) illegally then we're worse off than we are now.
6. Until NHRA makes it worthwhile and attractive for potential sponsors to participate that's not going to happen.

Dick, I don't mean this with any malice but if you are going to try and improve S/SS racing then I feel that maybe you should participate more and I don't just mean going to NHRA Events.

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Taking a page from the Don Kennedy journalism school:
Dick said "combining of classes cars can be adapted to classes even if they had to put a 4 barrel on the motor or put the motor in a sedan instead of a 9 passenger wagon."
Ed said: I don't think that's in the spirit of the rules for STOCK elininator.

Don thanks for the loan of the writing style.
BTW,it seems that you've made a 180 degree turn in respect to the rules we're supposed to follow.
Don said: The present Stock and Super Stock rules and regulations are not broken , i repeat they are not broken.

Happy New Years
Y'all

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Artie, Where does it say that?

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Billy, I agree with you completely on all counts. Tear down for all records. Tear down for all class winners. AHFS is just Extended to Records also. Class runs all count also but the idea was to get a reason to set the records and win class by going fast enough to hit the HP more times per year till things flatten out.Points towards Championship should be earned MORE ways than just rounds of eliminator.

Ed, 4 barrel versus 2 barrel meant "within the rules" if the car is a 2 barrel only motor? use the next wt up or down. If not the chassis change or motor change....I bet this would be a real minor % of combos in this situation.

Nope: no 180s on rules. All rules the same unless condense classes. Then just more ways to win points if you get HP because you hit the AHFS.

1000 ft mark popularity is because they can see who gets there first. That holds for class heads up too.

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Ed, 4 barrel versus 2 barrel meant "within the rules" if the car is a 2 barrel only motor?

How is that "within the rules"? Then I can put a 4 bbl from a 290CI V-8 on my six cylinder?
Then Billy can put a 4 bbl from a 327/350 on his six cylinder? Then a 350/255 Chevy can put on a 4 bbl from a 350?Who will calculate what HP factor to put on a 4 bbl conversion to a 2 bbl engine(different compression,cam specs,etc)?That's only for starters.Dick,I'm sure you have great knowledge of medical matters,but it doesn't translate over to problems we have now in
S/SS racing.The 180 degree comment was directed to Don K not you.

1000 ft mark popularity is because they can see who gets there first. That holds for class heads up too

Are you suggesting that S/SS run 1000' for class??????

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Ed ; you made me laugh . cool

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Seems explaining on a keyboard is more difficult than imagined. If the reader has an agenda to protect, then misunderstanding is easy and the thought of change threatening.
Thanks and have a good day.

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Dick,maybe the messenger just can't face the fact that others don't agree with their point of view.

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Ed, I accept your evaluation. I have been out of it personally too long to offer suggestions. The people who are still in it have the better read on what "they" want. Thanks

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Dick just over 1 % of the people who looked at your thread voted on it. Doesn't this tell you something?
If you added None of the above, or just leave it alone You would have gotten a lot more people responding.
That is what the majority of the people on here want. You seem to be one of the only ones banging a drum about this.
And frankly it's getting tiresome. And the only agenda I have is to be able to race the car I built for SS in SS