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Dragsinger 01-01-2010 09:47 PM

some very cool old assembly line photos
 
http://www.348-409.com/misc.html

I 'think" the 1957 Chevy assembly line shot sports a Rochester Injection System. The photo is not the best, what do you think?

Jack Matyas 01-02-2010 08:51 AM

Re: some very cool old assembly line photos
 
Larry - neat photo .......if it was a true FI car surely it would have "Fuel Injection" enblems on the front fender along with crossed flags above it.

340Cuda 01-02-2010 09:32 AM

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Jack would have those emblems been on the fender back by the door or on by the guys elbow at the front of the car?

I first thought it had fuel injection also but I enlarged it some and I think what we are seeing is the firewall and the windsheld wiper motor.

I don't know much about Chevys but that's my $0.02.

Bill

Billy Nees 01-02-2010 09:39 AM

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You're looking at the firewall. It's got a carb on it.

Bruce Noland 01-02-2010 09:41 AM

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Thanks for the pictures. I believe all the fuel injected 57's were black. The 57 black widows had six lug wheels. I remember pumping some fine Sunoco gas in a few of them.

Bill Belden 01-02-2010 11:31 AM

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The Black Widows were "Nascar" cars.
Actually there were more passenger cars with FI than Corvettes in 57

Lynn A McCarty 01-02-2010 12:11 PM

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Some pictures of Phil Monteith in his beginning years working for Pontiac.

Bruce Noland 01-02-2010 12:27 PM

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Happy New Year Bill,

Apparently people could buy the parts from Chevrolet and build their own Black Widows because Chevrolet did not produce them at the factory. It looks like the injected cars were around in many different colors. NASCAR quickly canned the injected cars. The Black Widow still won a NASCAR championship with a carburetor. A really neat car.

http://www.57chevyblackwidow.com/album.html

BlueOval Ralph 01-02-2010 12:56 PM

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If you check the records I think you will find the real black widows the Factory Race Cars were built at Southern Enginering in or near Atlanta, Ga. A sunk works operation.


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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 160444)
Happy New Year Bill,

Apparently people could buy the parts from Chevrolet and build their own Black Widows because Chevrolet did not produce them at the factory. It looks like the injected cars were around in many different colors. NASCAR quickly canned the injected cars. The Black Widow still won a NASCAR championship with a carburetor. A really neat car.

http://www.57chevyblackwidow.com/album.html


BlueOval Ralph 01-02-2010 01:02 PM

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More info
What makes them special? They were Chevy "skunk works" NASCARs built by Southern Engineering and Design Company in Atlanta. They were Fuel injected 283s. Among other things, they had a lot of heavy duty parts including radiator (with steel, spiral wound rod fan guard to keep the blades out of the radiator core in case of accident), truck front spindles, truck rear axle, vented hood (home heater registers cut into the hood to allow trapped air to escape), roll bar and race harness, big extra bolster on the seat to keep the driver in place when he went around corners, and the seat back on the passenger side was removed.
In the trunk, the spare tire well was deleted from the factory, to fit a larger capacity gas tank in place of the stocker. I've seen pix of two extra gas tank straps added, going sideways instead of front-to-back.
The fuel tank would have been illegal if caught, so the story is that GM went to the place that stamped out the rubber trunk floor mats and took a bunch before they had the cut-out for the spare tire well die-cut in them. This hid the absence of the tire well, which would have tipped off tech inspectors. (It's have been obvious with the hole for the well in the rubber mat)
The frame was the lighter 1-pc box tubing frame (instead of two pieces of C-channel welded together), and one-piece California bumpers. (The one-piece frames are not unique to California; I've seen several cars made in Atlanta with the one-piece frame).
The exhaust was routed through a gusseted hole in the frame (both sides) and exited in front of the rear tires. The rocker was clearance for this.
Lower control arms were re-inforced with a piece of steel plate to complete box the control arm, and the spindles were reinforced as well, too (I think...I could look that up).
An extra shock was mounted to the front control arms, with a tab welded to the side of the lower arm, and the frame. In back, a tubular cross member was added above the housing, and dual shocks were on each side. (Unless rules dictated only one shock).
They also had an extension built on top of the single reservoir master cylinder, to increase the amount of fluid in the system, though it was still only a single reservoir.

Fenton made headers for them, but those are scarce because they don't clear the later side motor mounts, so they were '55-'57 Chevy only, and weren't long in production.









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Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 160446)
If you check the records I think you will find the real black widows the Factory Race Cars were built at Southern Enginering in or near Atlanta, Ga. A sunk works operation.


Jack Matyas 01-02-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda (Post 160410)
Jack would have those emblems been on the fender back by the door or on by the guys elbow at the front of the car?

I first thought it had fuel injection also but I enlarged it some and I think what we are seeing is the firewall and the windsheld wiper motor.

I don't know much about Chevys but that's my $0.02.

Bill

All passenger cars had the emblems on the front fenders except the "Black Widow" 2 door business coupes .About ten years ago I bought a book printed by GM listing all the parts and changes for these cars ........I thought someday maybe .....its still on my bucket list .

Dragsinger 01-03-2010 02:19 PM

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These old photos really bring a smile and cause me to wax nostalgic.

Those of us who came up Hot Rodding during the 60's [my age is 63] did not realize what we had.

No one had any wildest idea of today's value.

I began working at the local Chevrolet dealer in 1963. Did warranty work on all the 60's muscle cars. "Test" drove all the desirable models, built Hot Rods with cast off "warranty" parts!

Built, raced and won with basically factory parts. Even held the C/Gas and D/Gas records under the old AHRA formula rules. [Green Valley Raceway near Forth Worth TX 1966 - 1968]

The local used car lots always had good race car "cores" on hand. I once did not buy a 57 Chevy with a bad transmission because the door class was cracked! I could believe the dealer wanted $125.00 for a car with a broken door class.


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