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I knew this would not take long. NHRA and IHRA could not possibly continue to see the stands and the pits jambed to capacity without getting on the band wagon. NHRA has an announcement on their site, they have joined with Speed to produce "grass roots, heads up racing". If you've never heard that before you do not watch Pinks All Out."

When the computers all over the country jambed tying to get into Pinks All Out at Z-Max and all 360 spots filled in under 15 minutes, I am sure the NHRA took a long hard look at the interest. Let the fun begin.

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Real dragracing and no shoe polish. Gotta be a winner.

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interesting concept BUT the 4 races scheduled are ALL AT NHRA OWNED TRACKS --So apparently nobody else has jumped on the bandwagon according to that press release---leave it to NHRA but in time they can screw up a good thing too!!!! comp 387

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The NHRA Unleashed program is, as you stated, all NHRA tracks. The Pinks All Out Schedule this year is NHRA and IHRA tracks. And, as mentioned, I hope NHRA, and there wisdom $$$$, don't mess this up.

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since the popularity of Pinks All Out is the side by side heads up racing..... novel idea NHRA - produce a well edited show of Stock/Super STock Class eliminations. Done right it could even promote growth of the category....people build cars just to run Pinks All Out events.

Just gotta figure out a way around the pesky AHFS so people aren't dumping at 1000' on TV

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To the Class Sportsman Racer... You are officially screwed. This new venue- minimum tech support, full seating capacity, bigger payouts , bigger gross receipts and everyone getting the opportunity for their 15 minutes of fame. A Class racers dream. Now why would NHRA need to have S/SS?

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I agree 100%

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I am curious to see the "official" rules and class structure...only because even PINKS is a breakout format, if you go too fast you lose.....that and only 16 compete after qualifying is done and they pick who they want to compete.....

PINKS already has a way to stop the sandbagging...after the first qualifying round they give the competitors a "floating minimum et"...if you can't beat it your done...this is to prevent guys on PINKS from keeping track of the ET'S already run and pooling a bunch of buddies to all run as close as possible to "get in the show"

D L Rambo...

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The Pinks thing has a lot going for it. Real cheap admission (ADRL), at No Problem the 450 slots were sold out super early. I asked Pat how much beer did he sell at the Pinks race. He cited something like Obama's Health Care Cost or something as the only measurment large enough. Real Cheap Entry, safety tech only, TV, only problem is sitting around for a day or two and you are more likely to not be in the show than not. Like 450 to 16 in the show. Odds not good cause the bracket is a moving target. And a whole different type of car. The more unusual, the more they might stretch the bracket to get it in. There was another non tv deal called Arm Drop Racing that had several brackets in it, a little better odds to get in.

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Tell me how this relates to S/SS class cars.I have a T/SA car that can run 1.00 under,Joe Schmoe has a T/SA that goes .50 under.I'm bagging at 1,000 ft.That's the reality of NHRA
S/SS now,Pinks cars are all grouped to run within .10-.20.Apples and oranges.
NHRA, if allowed, will do to it what the government has/will do to private industry unless stopped by an educated citizenry.

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1) Pinks All Out has one primary rule: Run your stuff all out. ie., 1000'ers would be DQ'd.

2) Run Class Eliminations at "NHRA Unleashed" events. 'Nuff said. :D I already have a spreadsheet on how you could combine a large number of classes based on similar indexes. Close racing, wheelstands, etc.... "Event in a box." It's not all *that* hard.... it's always been about presentation. Pullin knows presentation. If only NHRA would let them produce their National event shows!

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very well said Michael... I agree...maybe you should send that spreadsheet to pullin to present to nhra..or for there own promotion?

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The reason why most of the racers show up is the chance to get their 15 minutes of fame on T.V. the 17K payout is just the icing on the cake.Since all the 16 finalist have the chance to go home with at least enough money to cover the cost of getting there,it helps a little too.I could bomb the heck out of this kind of event.The secret is nitrous.run your qualifying on just motor,then use the nitrous only enough to stay ahead of your competitor in the actual race.if your competitor starts to drive around you too hard,shoot it,get in front of him and lift at the other end.Important trick,disconnect your brake lights.

I screwed up when signing up for the Etown all out race which started at midnight and didnt get my entry in the second time until 12:36AM,and ended up car #889 on the list.Supposedly all 450 spots were filled in 6 minutes.I ws invited to the last chance race and rolled the starting line beam in the 1st round because my trans brake switch isnt rated for the amperage to run my transbrake when the delay box is bypassed so the switch birned up and the car rolled.I am signing up for Maple Grove this year though.

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Does it say something with the wheels up camaro NHRA chose to use to post this on there web site. That picture and the closeness of the racing is what makes this racing interest. The "floating minimum" posted as two cars, in the same class, come out to the water box, is "taking into account previous runs of the two cars and adjust for weather condition at the time of eliminations." You have to run all out each time. If you run motor or nitrous you have to be consistent. On and off the accelerator or on the brakes, 1,000 foot racing, you are disqualified. These folks had over 300 of their own crew people at Z-max. Crew members are along the track with radios. If it is their opinion you are "sandbagging" they disqualify you for not running all out.

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The other and probably the biggest question is "how much control is NHRA going to let these guys have to run the event?".....PINKS if they feel they have an issue to deal with they deal with it at the current event while it is in progress or change the rules for the next event....an example was one track that they found out a whole bunch of competitors were sandbagging...they stopped the show and dug up $500.00 for a bonus to the quickest pass during qualifying, there were a whole contingent of racers who magically went a LOT quicker.....

NHRA can take years to deal with some issues, being quick to "stay with the times" would be a HUGE advantage in the market for racers and fans to show up.....


D L Rambo....

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From NHRA'S site...
"interactive events, including Kart Track and Autocross activities; and the traditional car show"

OH JOY......... :-( A FREAK SHOW......

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I entered the Pinks All Out for $60.00 at PBIR in March knowing that it will be either expensive time runs or maybe win $17K. What's the difference with a NHRA points race, expensive time runs, can only win $1k and It's $170.00 to enter. I think that the Pinks is a better bang for the buck. I'll chance $60 to win $17k every weekend if I could. NHRA didn't have any events like it, but now that they are in it, you watch and see that the purses dwindle down to nothing in a year or 2.
Casey Miles
248H

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Looks like this is an addition to the NHRA/ORSCA deal from a couple months ago. The 4 dates and locations are the same. Maybe NHRA has added the Pullin crew to run it. If you google NHRA ORSCA you can read about that deal. Not likely a Pinks format. More likely the ORSCA format. Or is ORSCA out now?

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Coincidence that the 4 events are being contested at NHRA owned tracks? Me thinks NHRA sees an opportunity for them to make lots of $$$, and keep it all for themselves.

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[QUOTE=Schmidt A103;161553] I could bomb the heck out of this kind of event.The secret is nitrous.run your qualifying on just motor,then use the nitrous only enough to stay ahead of your competitor in the actual race.if your competitor starts to drive around you too hard,shoot it,get in front of him and lift at the other end.Important trick,disconnect your brake lights.QUOTE]

The only thing I find wrong with your thinking is from what I have seen on TV, if you
run 0.02 or faster on a pass in competition than you did before they will disqualify
you. Just my $0.02 cents.

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The ticket would be let it "leak" in the pits how you are going to "Bag" youve got an electronics pacakge youve run .001 difference with before and youre using that hoping the other guy will break out. How your package times across the whole 1320 and makes subtle adjustments.

Launch and run 9-10th throttle hell be on your nose and craning his neck trying to stay right there, then in the last 200 give it a full shot and acel over winning by a nose yourself...both are still under the .02 .....just you by less :)

Ah hell...itd be fun, probably wouldnt work.

The ONLY episode I liked was on "All Out" where the guys were haggling over the Nitrous and they finally convinced em to pull it and then they run heads up.....the nitrous bottle was a fake, had been from the start an extra "bargaining" chip , whole nitrous setup was, then noone could figure out why the car ran the same time on or off juice....lol...it didnt work they lost striaght up good race then admitted it, funnier than hell and wicked sharp, damm near worked.

How long before the NHRA starts using these events data to affect HP and indexes (just kidding...I hope)

[QUOTE=Philip Saran;161705]

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Smartest thing they have ever done---(NHRA) Letting Pullin produce and package this for T.V.
Now they need to turn the entire NHRA T.V. package over to Pullin and SPEED
They would treat NHRA drag racing (even sportsman) like a crown jewel.Unlike ESPN where its just another program.
From watching PASSTIME it looks like they have a pretty good HD presentation

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I made the 32 car field at the Martin MI. Pinks All Out, believe me they had their fair share of sandbaggers. They picked a field of cars between 10.35-10.50. I ran three 10.36's, so on paper I was one of the quicker cars. In reality, I was probably around the middle of the pack. They pick alot of low to mid 10 second fields so lots of guys slow their cars down,thinking thats what they will pick. A guy pitted next to me was running 10.40's on Fri. and Sat. during qualifying, got booted 2nd round of eliminations for going too quick. He was told he ran a 9.94!

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Couldn't agree more there...About Pullin' taking over the TV production of the NHRA events that is...

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Yeah guys, I'm pretty sure that this is an Outlaw only deal with index classes as fillers. And the index classes for most Outlaw events requires smaller tires and no throttle stops except in the 4.70/5.00 index classes. Also, I believe that none of these events are going to be 1/4mile, they will be 1/8mile racing only.

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Rob Petrie should post his experiences running one of their shows. It may suprise some. It may not be all some think it is.

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its all about marketing the product....a concept that a bunch of guys and a case of beer, can fine tune enough to make a small profit and start a huge movement....and a concept that some mgt forms can not quite comprehend. I hope that NHRA is trying and actually learning from the success of some of the new programs...and not just grasping straws.

There's a HUGE 'underground' market for drag racing..lots of angles to make $$.....if NHRA has finally discovered it, I hope they dont jack it up !

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PINKS All Out concept is a passing fad, but the PINKS guys are the innovators here and continually come up with new ideas. NHRA on the other hand only react to market conditions and cashes in on ideas these days. The worst thing is letting NHRA in on this. :mad: These guys had the golden opportunity to beat Glendora at their own game. Now it's only a matter of time before they screw it up.

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Note the difference in format:

Pinks All Out - race for $10,000 cash + $7000 value tool chest from Napa

Add NHRA to the mix:

Race for the "Coveted Wally"

Where did the cash & prizes go......oh wait I know where...