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http://www.nitromater.com/nhra/24676...tml#post235355

Rodger Brogdon just shook the tires. Alan R. said Jimmy DeFrank is there too.

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I was just at the strip at las vegas motor speedway for the PSCA DRAG RACE over the weekend and the weather was great(60-65 degrees).This is a great place to test this time of year.

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Thanks for the link!!!!!

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Great live video and audio feed ................

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Jeggie's got the stocker there-he made a couple of burnouts but then they backed him up and he didn't make a run.

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Jeg's challenger did two burnouts and backed out and back into the pits.
Anybody know if the Droozemobile is in Vegas?

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His last post said he is on the road to Atlanta,GA.

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They said Jeg didn't have high gear.

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He just made another run about a min ago. They kept talking about no high gear. The announcer said they thought they had it fixed. couldnt tell though he shut it off before 1/2 track pretty good light though .007.

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Are those transmissions computor shifted?

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007 was in the other lane

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Jeggie's Challenger made another pass, with Jeff taylor driving according to the announcer, 10.58 @127 looked lazy leaving.

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Just ran again 10.40 @ 128

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Jegs Challenger on the last pass of today went 10.40ET @128MPH!

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with Taylor driving!

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Is this a loaded question??????????????????????????????????????

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We got a chance to look over Jeg's Challenger ....... very nice and friendly folks. Jeg's car appeared to be manually shifted....new Protrans set up with neutral past high gear on shifter (reverse pattern). Looks like going to be a good turnout...hope it does not rain ( looks 50/50tonight ) BTW first couple passes on our truck breaking in new engine/trans/conv., one Full second under (1.30 old index) shifting 5,500 and a hundred plus heavy with the kid driving for first time. We will be hungry and FAST at Pomona as required! Irving Family Racing:D

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It could be because they're allowed.

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Hungry eh ? Looks like I may be buying you dinner after all.....1 under now ? Impressive.

Please dont tell me you like japaneese food though, I just had a "bout" with some eel and octupus sashimi, that well......Japaneese is off my list for a while.

Did you by any chance see if he is running the BS3 with an external crank trigger and if he was running stock coil packs (the square COP)

Cheers

Chris

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I didn't say it was illegal.I asked if they were computor controlled.Take the bug out of your ***.

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I,ll get the kid to look tomorrow, I know a lot about BS.. but less about coil pack shapes...Jr will know better what to look for! Cheers:

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After re-reading GTX JOHN's post where he mentioned seeing the reverse pattern shifter, its unlikely the transmission is computer controlled or electronically shifted. Of the electronic shifted transmissions I seen, you would need to use a forward pattern, steering paddle or button shifter.

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Thanks for the clarification.I was leading up to wondering if the trans didn't shift into high due to a computor glich.That's all.I didn't think or say anything wasn't on the up and up.
Sorry if there was any misunderstanding of my original post.

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I also noticed a shift light mounted high and right in drivers line of sight almost half way up windshield... but no tach unless in stock dash position not on top of dash like most of use prefer. Looked hand shifted to me.... however can't new cars with computer controlled transmissions be electronic shift as late model camaro and firebird? Thought they all were? :)

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Lol....well , I was wondering the same thing Ed, and Jerry....

Youre spot on Jerry , and Ed youre right to wonder, a new run of controllers just hit (I got serial #1 of the new series not 2 weeks ago :) And Ive been wondering the same exact thing, IF he was computer controlled could it be a glitch ? I would doubt it because the batch has been through a pretty good testing from what I understand. But anything is possible.

We can shift manually if we have to, but I dont even have a tach in the car. Soo..........Id have to put one in for the driver to use if manually shifting was what we end up with......

(The car will have a tach, but I havent mounted the Display panel yet.....and we can run without it , there are now secondary analog gauges for imporant items on the car temporarily until they are all integrated and logged....)

But Im glad yall figgered it out........

The "prototype" of the BS3 Hemi setup used an external crank sensor as the signals put out arent straight forward if you dont understand them and well....it was Im certain a programming/time issue, everyone has been breathing down the necks of the Meaneys for the BS3 for this engine. We were about 2 days off ordering one when we came up with our system, and eventually sponsor....but I have been DYING to know if they got it all squared out.

I hope they did, I think it will be a pretty good system for these engines and I know there are DP teams eager for more options than the AEM or Fast....options are always good, breeds competition :)

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You wouldn't really need a tach, just a shift light cause the PCM has an rpm output for the shift light. Most of the guys running DP's are using a 904 or 727 and if they choose, can be adapted with an electronic valve body. You can program your shift points by rpm and just leave the shifter in D for dumb and let the TCM box do the shifting for you all the way down the 1320.

I'm going to think out loud here... Racing a bracket truck with an electronically contolled transmission and a programable TCM for the past 5 years, makes me think the problems Jeg's had, sound more of an electronic issue than a mechanical one. ??? If the shift point was set too high, the shift wouldn't be completed in time before the engine hit the rev limiter. If the shift point was set too low, the transmission would upshift prematurely. Been there, done that. It would be interesting to see what combo Jeggie is running.

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Can be, most so far in the DP are doing a 1-2 electronic , manual thrid, maybe thats why the light, only needed for third shift and thats going to be part seat of the pants anyway.

But its a Protrans like most others are using too....the electronic valve body I think with the 1-2 reverse is pretty common (but when I say common I am talking about what is being done on the DP cars) I know most are.

Were running full electronic, the motors sweet spot is the sweet spot, so with 4 potential drivers over the season it seemed smart to make it a little "foolproof" 2 of the drivers (me and the old man qualify in the fool department)

But its nice throw 12 volts to both soelnoids and Ive got full manual control, Im doing that with a keyed switch (so it dosent accidently get tripped) so we can change up.

Im guessing electronic 1-2 and manual 3rd, that would make sense with not tach, he sure isnt using the factory tach....not possible on these, and the location for a race car is lame. bad bad location.

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Drooze, You happen to know the tooth count on the reluctor wheel of the BS3?

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Yeah but, hes gonna be burning in 2nd and the TA system has the "burnout" mode. Dono if hes using that or something else, but dosent seem like in 2nd that would be a problem with the limiter. Hes running a 727 Protrans, Id PAY to know what ratios and converter though.

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24x

Didnt I send you all the data on his motor and the system ?

Here is a pic around Oct 27th.....I am 99% sure the motor is his (Couglins) for a couple of reasons, 1 is the time coincides with when the motor wasnt at Holts or elsewhere, and second well....thats "Secret Squirrel" Info....

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/...f6b14ef057.jpg

It should be noted NOONE told me whos motor this was, SPECIFICALLY the person who had these shots would NOT tell ANYONE, so....I dont want to put ANYONES nuts in a vise, noone even alluded to whos it was, but well there are only a few out there, and then even less, didnt take a genius to come to the conclusion of whos it was when 20 of the other cars delivered knew it want theirs, it only left about 4 plausible people. BUT Sometimes NOT saying is as good as saying too...

Thats why I want to know really bad if they got past this "prototype" stage, and thats what this pic is of , an initial stage, just like our DP manifold on the Orange SRT8....gotta start somewhere....

I would bet cash its his.

But here is an interesting bit of "spy" info on the setup seen in the pic on the motor."stock Chrysler cam sync sensor, but modified the cam wheel so that it has a rising edge signal for every two crank revs"

Ill send you over all the other pics of his motor and data I have on it.....

Guess doing work for John McCains CIA Front the Freedom Project PAC Paid dividends in the racing world whoda thunk ;):D;) (And this didnt even require waterboarding.....well not too much....)

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Is Vegas supposed to be wet all day? Also, what is the weather like in the Atlanta area today? The weather map looks rather bad on a.m. news channels....(Fri.) WJ

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Its utter crap here....I thought when you went south things were supposed to get warmer....and less crappy weather wise.

Both when we drove home, and when we drove back here, at a point in Ohio it was the warmest and got colder the further south, coming back was unreal. snow through virginia and WV and carolinas, and I got news they dont know how to clear roads.

WET and COLD......BAH ! (were actually about 4 minutes out of Atlanta....)

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Yesterdays Vegas class cars so far other than ourselves and the Irving's were Mary Anne Method, Don Keen, Terry Hembree, Dic Geary, Nick Cuzucko, Defranks trailer with 3 cars, Grossi's trailer with 3 cars. 2 SS and 1 Comp car, Abe Loewen, Jeggie, Curtis Coultier, Gene Bichelmeyer ( I know thats spelled wrong) The Zavala's and Chuck Norton although he was not racing. I hope more people show up today for the actual race. As of now, Sat is looking like a wash and we will end up racing sunday.

Its currently 6am, dark, and 52 degrees. Qualifying starts at 8am today.

Track was hooking pretty well for us as can be seen thanks to Roger Richards on competition plus. We made I think 8 runs yestarday.

I was told that Jeggies car had a valve body issue where when plugging into high gear, the trans would lock up. Other than that, I dont know af anyone who had carnage of any type. All in all I give the track crew an A+ for preperation. They stayed on top of everything all day long. Even had an anti freeze clean up that didnt take more than 10 Minutes.

If anything else happens, I'll report it from the track. If nothing special goes on, then I'l wait til later on tonight.

Tony Denysenko

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With people towing into Vegas w/race equipment from well below freezing areas of the country, I can see someone coming in w/anti freeze in their equipment, but am a little surprised tech didn't make a point of checking that everyone had it drained out before getting out on the track, especially w/so few cars there :confused:....Anti-freeze anywhere down on the track can be a killer....I've seen it happen and am sure many others here have as well. WJ

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Drooze,
The 904 Pro Trans that I use doesn't like second gear Burn Outs because it has a band for second... It is weak there. Dave has always sad Burn out in High gear. Plenty of clutches in that pack to take the abuse.

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Check....good to know, it just to me sounded like he thought it was being brunout from first or something....Jerry knows his trannys and does Baja work even Paul at TA was impressed with Jerry knowledge of the new Mercedes stuff for racing (and paul happended to be working on one)T

I was tired last night, I know better, and know Jerry (hemidup) knows his stuff, I was just....braindead. I put, I was braindead last night and misunderstood what jerry was thinking/saying.

I like I said should have assumed I was misunderstanding what I thought he was saying.

Do you know what your physical weight of trans and coverter are on a 904 protrans ? Were looking into one for "Phase II"

Is that what Coughlin is running ? I thought his was a 727 case, can anyone confirm ?

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Drooze,
I don't know what Dave is starting with for the late mod Hemi cars. There are 2 style 727 cases. One for a Big block and a smaller one for a Small block.
The 2 Pro Tans I have had from Dave were 727 cases from Small block Chrysler modified with an adapter to fit Chevy bolt pattern and the special (non stock) 904 internals installed.

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Gotcha, I know that you can have a "Protrans" done in the 904 case as well, but I wondered what was done with input and output shafts since that along with fluid windage is the obvious advantage (and case strenght) of the 727 case......

Ive heard a few people running the 904 cased protranse 28 tooth, etc. but well have always wonderend ,(and not yet asked)

Were setup for a 904 case and I want it to stay that way, Ill "buy" the couple hundreths somewhere else....and I THINK I can...

Cheers and thanks

Chris

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Jegs car still having problems only ran a 10.40 something

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Jegs car just went 10.36ET 129MPH!