New Tech Rules
 

I've heard of 2 new rules for 2010! The "Locking Transmission Dipstick" rule and The "Parachute Mount Rule". The first one is pretty simple(I guess), except that it doesn't specify that the bottom of the dipstick tube(where most all leakage would come from)needs to be any type of specific seal ! I saw the list of approved ones and got the Lokar ones for my cars.
Does anyone know what the "Parachute Mount Rule Change" is?
Rich
S/C 13
Time To Move Racing
"Creating Customers For Life"

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1/2 in bolt on the mount, got me in Bradenton.

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"Parachutes must have their own independent mounting with sleeved 3/8 1/2-inch
minimum steel bolts or steel pins required for all applications. Shroud line(s) mounting
brackets must be constructed of minimum .090-inch steel. Material around the holes for
the bolts/pins must be equal to or greater than the bolt/pin size."
On the 2010 rule amendments page#22 the 1/2 has a line through it as if the are now allowing a 3/8 bolt! I'm more confused now since Chuck says they got him at Bradenton for what ? Having to big of a bolt?
There is also a line through the complete last sentence in the above quote, but nothing to replace the wording?
Rich
Time To Move Racing
"Creating Customers For Life"

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Just returned from S&W Racecars and was told by Scott Weney that that rule change was recinded after he fabricated a retrofit part to be able to use a 1/2" bolt on their existing cars which all have been made (forever) using a 3/8" bolt to hold the chute lead! The division told him to hold off on this and that the rule was not going to be changed! Maybe D2 should find out the correct application of the rule before making Chuck and who knows else change their cars for nothing!
Rich
S/C 13
Time To Move Racing
"Creating Customers For Life"

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In Tech they were paying particular attention to Tranny locking Dip sticks and I was scolded for a better word for my 3/8 S/S Allen Head Chute Lead Bolt, said I need to have a 1/2 Bolt for the next race which is G-Ville this week.
What is the rule ? I'm not opposed to arguing , I would like to correct before this issue comes up in tech.
They don't like being wrong !

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The rule before was 1/2" bolt...I think it had to be Grade 8. This year's rule required the tabs to have1/2" material around the bolt hole. That rule was later revised to a 3/8" bolt for most classes (TF, NFC, TAD, and TAFC have their own specific revision). The problem with the stainless bolt may be it's not Grade 8 (though I bet any ARP stainless bolt is as strong as a "cheap" Grade 8.
How about these new rules...
http://www.nhra.com/story/2010/2/15/...-participants/

A $1000 fine for using the wrong brake cleaner????

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Should of seen the enviremental waiver we had to sign at Bradenton !

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What happened if someone refused to sign the enviromental waiver? I read about it on another site and one racer said he was advised by his attorney not to sign it. I have posted the question on that board asking if he indeed did not sign it, but haven't gotten a answer yet. I noticed for the reports on DRC that he did race.




Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. :D

RIP Mark Graham

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Well you either sign it and turn it with your tech card or you don't race as i understood it.
I signed it and no further questions !

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Here is what was posted by the S/C racer on another message board.


"Any of you guys ever heard of this deal?

We bought tech cards today for the LODRS Div 2 event and got a form we are SUPPOSED TO SIGN before we can race that deals with oil and hazardous materials disposal.

Basically, there is NO DISPOSAL available at event so if you drain your oil you have to take it back on the highways with you, no brake cleaner or carb cleaner cans can be thrown away, etc, etc, you have to keep them in your posession.


To quote the form we got: This is a short version:
"There will be a $1000.00 fine for violation of these rules". "Any breaking of these rules will result in prosecution to the fullest extent of the LAW".

Then above the signature line it says:

"I have read, understand and agree to the above"

Another "Welcome Wagon Treat from NHRA or what?"

My attorney says do not sign it. It creates several serious personal liability issues. One example: What if someone throws a empty oil bottle or Brake Cleaner can in the garbage can next to my trailer. The NHRA trash inspectors find it and say it must be mine. NOW WHAT? I say it isn't they say it is, I get fined $1000 and where does the appeal process start.

What if the EPA finds a large amount of oil spilled on the ground and can't prove who did it; does everyone who signed the form become partially responsible??"



Like I said, he has not responded yet with the answer stating that he did sign the form or not.




Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. :D

RIP Mark Graham

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Parachutes must have their own independent mounting with sleeved 3/8 inch
minimum steel bolts or steel pins required for all applications. Shroud line(s) mounting
brackets must be constructed of minimum .090-inch steel. Safety pins must be
red flagged and removed prior to burnout. The use of ball-lock pins for parachute
mounting prohibited. See Class Requirements regarding use of two parachutes. Such
applications require separate shroud-line mounting points for each parachute system.

This is the amended version as of Feb 8th 2010.

The way I read it a 3/8 steel bolt with a sleeve is the minimum size. It says nothing about using a larger bolt. The bolt must be steel. .090 is the thickness of your welded brace the bolt runs through.
The older rule prior to the amendment would have affected hundreds if not thousands of race cars.

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Phew! That's better. :)

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So is the .090 the same for CM or MS, If you use a slip tube do they count the thickness of both tubes, or do they want a sleeve inside of the slip tube???? this is quite vague does anyone really know??

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I wonder what happens if you oil the track down or have a tranny leak ?

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I am not sure even the Tech people know for sure what the rules are yet.
I tried to pin down the tech people last fall at Las Vegas and Pamona at the last two races of the year to get a read on what I needed to do if anything. The Division 7 people just read it out of the dragster and said that was it. When I asked specifically about a loose sleeve around the bolt they told me the sleeve was for the welded part inside another tube which did not seem quite right to me. I fabricated a loose sleeve for my 1/2" bolt which has a T handle on it for quick removal. I am not sure the T handle will fly so I am carrying a regular grade 8 bolt to replace the T handle if they want it replaced.
I would think it will vary from race to race for awhile until everyone in the Tech groups gets on the same page.
Just My 2 Cents

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I went ahead and picked up a 1/2 in Grade 8 Nut and bolt and a sleeve spacer that they said I needed, I'll put in on after I get to Gainesville today prior to Tech.

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Just spoke to my chassis guys re: this issue. They have upgraded at least 6 dragsters to fit these new rules, why doesnt NHRA think things thru. Same thing happened to us in 2007 Bradenton D2 race, that time it was about mounting of crotch strap under seat, also told everyone if it wasnt correct by gainesville, dont show up only to be rescinded 10 minutes later. I see a pattern as usual. I already drilled my mount and sleeved it to fit new rule but I didnt have to fabricate like some had to.

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Went through Tech today in Gainesville and He didn't even look at the Chute mount that I upgraded to a 1/2 in bolt with a nice sleeve as they requested in Bradenton.
Who know's what the **ck they are thinking. The EPA police are all over the place, I received a 6 page packet and an orentation before we could enter the gate. If you change your oil you either take it with you or pay a fee to dump it at their supervised site.
The Company is an independant contractor from Ga.
Get prepared it's becoming tougher to race these events, guess I'll go to Jiffy lube to change the oil in the race car while I'm traveliing.

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Maybe you now have to take the oil-laden grease sweep with you? ;)

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Better make sure if you are transporting used oil through CA you have the proper documentation. After all out here it is considered a hazardous waste and those laws are applicable to it's transport and storage..So I guess we all need haz waste training and proper placarding too..Oh wait is this a business or hobby, do DOT laws apply or not, I can tell you when has waste is involved one needs ones ducks in a row. I do this all day every day.

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OK I understand cars are faster than they used to be, but is there a reason for the new spec? Are the new chutes catching more air, or have there been problems with the strength of the previous specs?

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2010 rules amendments show the 1/2 bolt for chutes has been crossed out. Div 1 tech says the rule was rescinded.

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They didn't even look at the chute bolt cause D1 called D2 and told them to read! I was done tech and I said to the guy " Don't even tell me your not going to check my new fancy locking dipstick", he shrugged and said "Oh yeah, I checked some but forgot on some cars"! There's not even a spot on the tech card for it!
The bolt rule was recinded !
Moveman